RE: Mini Cooper S (F56) | PH Used Buying Guide

RE: Mini Cooper S (F56) | PH Used Buying Guide

Monday 21st February 2022

Mini Cooper S (F56) | PH Used Buying Guide

The current Cooper S and JCW have been around for a while now, and make for a canny secondhand purchase



Key considerations

  • Available for £8,750
  • 2.0-litre, four-cylinder petrol turbo, front-wheel drive
  • B48 motor banishes bad N14 memories
  • Not exciting in a high-rpm way but fast through midrange torque
  • More refined and less frenetic than gen-two equivalents
  • Some driving oddness but no major reliability issues

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Today we'll be looking at the Cooper S and JCW variants of the 2014-on Mini, available in three-door (F56) or five-door (F55) hatch formats. Ignoring the original 'proper' Minis, which sounds a bit sacrilegious, this was the third-generation 'new' Mini. As we had come to expect with Minis (the first new-shape one arrived in 2000, can you believe it?), the 2014 gen-three was longer, wider, and taller than the car it succeeded. The Mini wasn't really 'mini' anymore, but as long as you weren't bothered by that sort of thing then the benefits of the new UKL chassis' longer wheelbase and wider track - more space in both the cabin and the boot - were clear enough.

The newly elongated body was rounded off to smooth its progress through the air and to enhance the airborne progress of any pedestrian it might hit. Not everyone was a fan of the extra blobbiness, or of what some saw as a slightly overwrought redesign of the front and rear generally (then came those Union Jack rear lights in 2018!). Still, again there were compensations in equipment like the segment-first LED headlamps. Keyless start, air-con and Bluetooth all became standard on the gen-threes too, but adaptive dampers, radar cruise and a reversing camera all had to be paid for on the Mini's famously extensive personalisation options list - unless you went for the JCW, which had much of that stuff thrown in.

Common or garden gen-threes had a choice of six new engines, but the one we'll be dealing with here for the S and JCW is the aluminium blocked and headed B48 2.0 litre, four-cylinder twin-scroll turbo petrol with direct injection, Valvetronic variable valve lift, and double VANOS variable valve timing that was also used in the BMW 1 Series, 3 Series, 5 Series and X3. In the Cooper S this unit generated 192hp, or 231hp in the JCW which joined the range in 2015. In the Cooper S the new engine was only 0.2sec quicker over the 0-62mph than the old gen-two S, but it had plenty of turbo urgency and big torque starting from just 1,250rpm, with a choice of snap, crackle and pop depending on the exhaust you had.

The clearest advance for the hot gen-three Minis, however, was their extra refinement, reflecting the car's gradual enlargement over the years. The ride was still firm, but the steering was positive and accurate (albeit a touch artificial) despite the amount of power going through the front wheels. Outside noise was well suppressed too, not just in the three- or five-door Cooper S but also in the more focused three-door only JCW.


They started off with a choice of six-speed gearboxes. The manual had been modded from the gen two to make shifting smoother and lighter. The JCW began life with the six-speed Steptronic auto only. This torque-converter unit was replaced in the 2018 midlife (LCI) refresh by a seven-speed dual-clutch Steptronic, but not in the JCW. Along with the high-torque Cooper SD, the JCW switched to the excellent eight-speed torque-converter auto that had previously only been available in the Clubman and Countryman.

The 2018MY LCI models also received trim changes, new colour options and more options generally. These are the ones with the brighter front lights with circular 'halo' DRLs and the Union Jack rear lights. The JCW wasn't around for a while at the time of the LCI as it didn't pass Euro 6 regs. After a few months' rest it reappeared in March 2019 with a petrol particular filter, piano black trim inside and out, Dinamica leather bucket front seats and 17-inch Track Spoke alloys.

When it went on sale in 2014 the Cooper S cost £18,650 as a three-door F56. Sport, Exclusive, Convertible, Seven and probably too many other models to count were on offer. Prices for the 2015 JCW started at £23,780, but you could get that up to nearer £30k without too much effort at spec-locking time.

A UK-only JCW Challenge edition came out in 2016. Inspired by the Mini Challenge racers, it was billed as the 'ultimate roadgoing Mini'. There were no drivetrain changes and no auto gearbox option, but the chassis mods were extensive and all the parts - Nitron NTR R1 coilovers, Quaife ATB limited-slip diff, Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 tyres, Team Dynamics alloys and Mintex brake pads - were sourced from the race series suppliers. In addition to that lot, it had adjustment plates allowing you to run up to two degrees of negative camber on both axles and a JCW Pro Aerokit with a front splitter, rear spoiler extension and rear diffuser. Limited to 50 or 100 examples, depending on which part of the internet you believe, the JCW Challenge cost £32,000 and is worth looking for on the used market.

SPECIFICATION | MINI COOPER S (F56)

Engine: 1,998cc, four-cyl turbo
Transmission: 6-speed manual or auto, front-wheel drive
Power (hp): 192@4,700-6,000rpm (231@5,200-6,000rpm)
Torque (lb ft): 206 (236)@1,250-4,750rpm
0-62mph (secs): 6.8 (6.3) (both manual)
Top speed (mph): 146 (153)
Weight (kg): 1,235 (1,280)
MPG (official combined): 49.6 (42.2)
CO2 (g/km): 155 (133)
Wheels (in): 6.5 x 16 (7 x 17)
Tyres: 195/55 (205/45)
On sale: from 2014 (2015)
Price new: £18,650 (£23,780)
Price now: from £8,750
(JCW in brackets)

Note for reference: car weight and power data are hard to pin down with absolute certainty. For consistency, we use the same source for all our guides. We hope the data we use is right more often than it's wrong. Our advice is to treat it as relative rather than definitive.



ENGINE & GEARBOX

The gradual gentrification of the Cooper S disguised the fact that, in gen-three form, it was a demonstrably quick car. The capacity increase from 1.6 to 2.0 in the B48 delivered a fat wodge of low-rpm torque that made it more than a match for rivals like the Clio RS Turbo and Abarth 595 Comp, both of which it easily out-accelerated. It was a tenth quicker to 62mph than the Fiesta ST, too, thanks to its longer bottom two gears obviating the need to change to third. The gen-three JCW 2.0 had 10 per cent more power than the old 1.6 and 23 per cent more torque.

Some drivers did find the standard throttle mapping to be a bit peculiar on the new Minis, with a slightly disappointing vagueness and a lack of linearity in the comms between right foot and engine. Torque limiting in the lower gears meant you had to tramp hard on the pedal to get out of a side road. You might also wish for a more immediate and proportional response coming out of a roundabout, but you could mitigate some of these laggy effects by switching off the traction control.

With nearly 50mpg on the official combined cycle for the S and more than 42mpg for the JCW (30-40 being a typical real-world figure) these were performance cars you could own without too much conscience-pricking. The B48 engine wasn't burdened by earlier Mini engines' negative legacies of dodgy crank bearings and oil solenoids. Obviously, you should always keep an eye on the oil level as a matter of principle, and there have been a few reports of injector trouble and air leaks, but in general it's a sturdy and reliable engine, adding interest to the idea of investing in tuning kits from Mini specialists like Lohen.

The JCW Pro exhaust (an option box that you could tick back in the day) got a reputation for being a bit droney on the motorway and probably too loud everywhere else. The standard factory JCW pipe was rorty enough for most and sounded better than the stock S system. A simple remap with the JCW Pro exhaust could produce around 270hp, which was about the limit for S pistons. Scorpion, Milltek, Remus, Borla and Dinan all offered alternative pipework.

The six-speed manual gearbox worked well enough as long as you weren't too impatient on changes and didn't mind an element of springy notchiness. An excess amount of jerkiness on gearchanges could often be traced back to a clutch delay valve in the slave cylinder, which could be removed. Jerkiness at a steady engine speed of 1,500rpm-2,000rpm - the sort of thing that on a diesel could usually be cured by cleaning the inlet manifold and/or the EGR valve - would normally be solved by a software reflash.


The pre-LCI automatic was a £1,270 option. It wasn't the quickest-responding transmission and there were no flappy paddles. The torque-converter eight-speed auto on the JCW was better than you might think, though. It had a proper manual mode that let you rev right out in any gear and that wouldn't change down unless the engine was on the point of stalling. Even so, four out of five JCWs were manuals.

Clutches on manual cars are known to squeak, quietly when cold but more loudly when warm. Mini has so far been unable to come up with a lasting solution for this. Some owners have had the whole clutch assembly replaced only for the squeaking to return less than 10,000 miles later.

We found one example of manual clutch failure on a 7,500-mile 2019 Cooper S bought from new by an outer London driver. A drivetrain failure message led to a dealer inspection which revealed clutch material that had worn down to the rivets with damage to the flywheel. The bemused owner was presented with a £3,500 bill for that.

Some cars have suffered from broken engine mounts, usually flagged up by a thud on start up and some complementary rattles that would disappear at engine speeds above 3,000rpm. One owner on an F56 community noted that his 64-reg S with a JCW tuning kit on it had stopped revving past 4,000rpm. A responder thought it might be a clogged cat but no firm conclusion was reached on that.

Wonky fuel tank vent valves will cause high idle speeds and an odd ticking noise. Fault codes for turbo wastegate actuators can sometimes be traced back to unstable voltages from old/original batteries. Pops and bangs from the exhaust were plentiful in Sport mode. There was also synthesised noise from an extra speaker - Active Sound Design, if you're ever wondering what ASD means. A two-yearly main service typically cost around £600 if it included new front brake pads, which it probably would as pads wore out quite quickly.


CHASSIS

The gen-threes had a less frenetic feel on the road than the twos, and you might choose something else if your normal driving included a lot of B-road squirtery, but the overall Mini package represented a very acceptable compromise between steering response, agility and ride comfort.

Even in the most powerful models torque steer was minimal but the steering could feel artificially heavy, especially in Sport mode. In place of a mechanical locking diff the S made do with Performance Control, which was an updated version of the now-familiar inside-wheel-braking electronic diff lock control. The JCW had that too. Relative to the old JCW the new car's springs and dampers were uprated. There were also new ARBs and lighter, stronger supporting hardware front and rear.

The normal passive dampers were on the stiff side so Variable Damper Control with the twin-reservoir switchable dampers was well worth having on both cars, to the extent that you wondered why it wasn't provided as standard, especially as it was only £240 to buy separately. If the Mini you end up buying doesn't have VDC you could get some improvement by swapping the standard dampers for adjustable coilovers from a firm like Nitron, usefully lowering the ride height while you're at it. VDC's Comfort mode worked well on most British roads and Sport was perfect for transporting relatives you didn't like (assuming you had a rubber ring to sit on). Sport was great on a smooth track, of course, but if you were running standard brakes you might run into fading difficulties after a few laps in the Cooper S.

Cooper S alloys were 16-inch, up from 15-inch on the non-S, but still not that massive. 17s were a £450 option. The JCW had 17-inch alloys as standard, with 18s as an option. Nobody really rated the Pirelli run-flat tyres that came on it from the factory. Most found Michelin Pilot Sport 4 tyres to be noticeably better in all conditions, in terms of both grip and ride comfort. Michelin do now do a PS4S in 18-inch but not in the Mini size. A Cup 2-tyred JCW Challenge is a hoot to drive on the right road.


BODYWORK

You could distinguish the Cooper S from the regular Cooper by its bonnet scoop. The JCW was different again with its gaping front air intakes, plus extra ducts in place of the foglights (only one of which, the nearside one, is functional, the other is blanked off) and in the rear bumper, as well as a shoutier bodykit.

The limited edition JCW Challenge came in White Silver with a black roof and stripes and carbon fibre detailing on the air intake and mirror caps. For other models but there were dozens of colour combinations available through the Individual programme, with more coming along in the 2018 LCI refresh.

Check the paint on the door shuts as this could be rubbed off by the seals. We heard of one owner with a crack to the front screen being quoted £1,100 for parts alone as the dealer reckoned new gloss black pillar sections and the scuttle panel would have to be replaced at the same time as the new screen. They probably would have been better off triggering their £75 windscreen insurance excess.


INTERIOR

By this stage in the Mini's career the transition to BMW standards was effectively complete. Even before you went up to Cooper S or JCW level the quality and ambience of gen-three Mini interiors was more than decent, when they were new at least. They all had digital radio, heated door mirrors, keyless entry/ignition and Bluetooth to connect you up to Mini's online services. The Cooper S had its own cloth seat material while the JCW had Dinamica upholstery with all manner of JCW badging and stitching. The flattish regular seats were okay, but many found the high-backs to be more supportive.

The standard dash layout wasn't massively changed for the gen-three, but a new and more sensible position was found on the steering column for the speedo, tacho, and digital fuel gauge. Having said that the tachometer was pretty small. The new central nav and infotainment display with 8.8-inch screen had a LED light ring around it. Another welcome return to tradition was the repositioning of the window and door lock switches to the door panel.

As noted earlier, four people and their cargo had more room to move in the gen-three Mini. Besides the extra shoulder and foot space, the boot had grown by over 30 per cent, which sounds a lot until you realise that the starting point for that increase wasn't great at 150 litres, so you still only had 211 litres but hey, it's a Mini innit and you did get a smart floor. If you wanted more space you would get a Countryman.

Horn pushes sometimes didn't give you the horn and you don't have to be fishing in the high-mileage pool to see that the leather on Mini steering wheels and seats wasn't that durable. Talking of wet things, some S models had incorrectly routed air-con drainage, which could lead to a soaking of the front carpets.


PH VERDICT

The styling and/or supersizing of the gen-three Mini might have put off some potential buyers, but the ones who didn't have a negative view on the looks and who did buy into it were usually very happy with their purchase. In the Cooper S and JCW they found thoughtfully improved vehicles that challenged the Fiesta ST for 'best in class' driving honours with the bonus of extra practicality and space, all without losing any of the car's indefinable charm. Best of all they didn't have the troublesome N14 engine.

The B48 engine was all about mid-range torque. There wasn't much value in going to the higher reaches of the tachometer, not so much because of diminishing returns - though that was true - but because all the performance you could ever realistically want or need was between 2,000 and 4,000rpm. Once you'd got that into your head, these gen-three Minis provided walloping performance without ever feeling 'hot' in the old-fashioned sense.

One of the accusations levelled at Minis over the years has been to do with the extraction of money for various individualisation packs. Luckily for Mini, enough buyers were happy to go down that customising route to turn the business model into a commercial success, and for used buyers down the line it's all gravy because expensively optioned cars rarely command a premium in the secondhand market. So long as the reliability side of it stands up it's easy to see these gen-three Minis as bargains.

With almost a thousand gen-three 192hp Cooper S cars on PH Classifieds at the time of writing (without the JCWs) you've got zero excuse for not being able to find pretty much exactly what you want. We're not going to try and pin down all the various models like the 25th Anniversary (2018), the 60 Years Edition (2019), the Mini Matching, the Mini Cloth, the Mini Facecloth, the Mini Pinny etc (we may have made some of those up) but we will tell you that there are quite a few crash repaired cars on the market, and prices for those start at under £7,000. The lowest priced non-cat car on PH was this 92,000-mile 2017 Cooper S Seven at £9,600. It's showing signs of wear, but it's only had one owner and it is fully historied.

For those who value low mileage over newness, another £2k on top of that 2017 car's price will snip nearly 60,000 miles off the clock in this 2014 three-door at £11,493. Even with only 37,000 miles recorded we can see some seat material sagginess. If you're after a JCW, again you're spoiled for choice with nearly 300 examples on PH Classifieds. The cheapest one is this 2016 61,000-miler with the adaptive suspension at £14,500. Here's a convertible JCW from 2016 with 44,000 miles and a £17,995 price ticket.


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RaineyDays

Original Poster:

264 posts

114 months

Sunday 20th February 2022
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I’m really enjoying my F56 Cooper S. I originally bought it as a stop gap to a GR Yaris as I missed the train first time around.

It’s not as ‘go kart’ like as my previous mini’s but it’s still plenty of fun

usualdog

241 posts

177 months

Sunday 20th February 2022
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Just picked up a 210 Works with the bluetooth exhaust & coilovers. Lovely car, and the exhaust is utterly bonkers!

Evolved

3,884 posts

201 months

Sunday 20th February 2022
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usualdog said:
Just picked up a 210 Works with the bluetooth exhaust & coilovers. Lovely car, and the exhaust is utterly bonkers!
What’s the Bluetooth exhaust?

biggbn

26,864 posts

234 months

Sunday 20th February 2022
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Would really like to own a fast mini, I know many are not keen on the f56 but they just look so 'right' to me

usualdog

241 posts

177 months

Sunday 20th February 2022
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Evolved said:
usualdog said:
Just picked up a 210 Works with the bluetooth exhaust & coilovers. Lovely car, and the exhaust is utterly bonkers!
What’s the Bluetooth exhaust?
It comes with a toggle which you double click to open the exhaust and sounds like a box of fireworks on the over run.

RaineyDays

Original Poster:

264 posts

114 months

Sunday 20th February 2022
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Evolved said:
What’s the Bluetooth exhaust?
JCW Pro exhaust

cerb4.5lee

36,599 posts

194 months

Sunday 20th February 2022
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I thoroughly enjoyed the 3.5 years and 19k miles in mine. It was such good fun to throw down a nice country road, and I appreciated its size and relative low weight. They come highly recommend by me.

I'd happily have another...even though it was a bit like the Skoda Estelle that I had, and everyone seemed to take the piss out of me about it. They use to say why are you driving a girls car? and why are you driving around in that poncy thing etc.

cerb4.5lee

36,599 posts

194 months

Sunday 20th February 2022
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As per the article I swapped the factory Michelin primacy 3s for Michelin PS4s and it transformed the car, and the PS4 gave me more confidence under braking as well. What attracted me most to the car was the BMW B48 2.0 turbo engine. It was so torquey low down, and I really appreciated that having come from a E90 330i with the 3.0 NA engine before it. The B48 engine wasn't much use above 5500rpm though(the redline was 6500rpm), and it was all about the low and mid range.

This article is really making me miss mine to be fair, and I have really fond memories of driving it. driving

Holgate86

471 posts

54 months

Sunday 20th February 2022
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I bought a 68 plate pre reg Cooper S and got a great deal on it, bought it instead of a VW Up! GTi as it was loads more fun with the extra power. I had it nearly 3 years and the clutch had started squeaking just before I sold it, it was a Chilli Red car and I got some pretty nice comments about it too.

However I found it was a bit too "soft" all round, brakes, understeer, (think it had Primacy tyres), gearbox and steering so as soon as the GR Yaris was announced it had to go.

I tested a JCW before I bought the S and was shocked by the amount torque steer it managed to generate on a greasy road.

Anyway I enjoyed my time with the Cooper S, but the GR Yaris is a different proposition all round.

Holgate86

471 posts

54 months

Sunday 20th February 2022
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usualdog said:
Just picked up a 210 Works with the bluetooth exhaust & coilovers. Lovely car, and the exhaust is utterly bonkers!
The glowing review on the 210 on PH was one of the reasons I started looking at the F56, I found one in Harrogate at the time but it was too expensive/poor condition for me.

Enjoy the car (and the exhaust).

cerb4.5lee

36,599 posts

194 months

Sunday 20th February 2022
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Holgate86 said:
However I found it was a bit too "soft" all round, brakes, understeer, (think it had Primacy tyres), gearbox and steering so as soon as the GR Yaris was announced it had to go.

I tested a JCW before I bought the S and was shocked by the amount torque steer it managed to generate on a greasy road.
The brakes and torque steer were niggles for me as well on the Primacy tyres, however the PS4 that I swapped them for pretty much eliminated the issue. Mine was on the 17" wheels.

One of the big things that I loved about the car was how well it soaked up the bumps/cambers etc on back roads, it was such a compliant car in that regard. Apart from the E92 M3 I had, I reckon that the Cooper S has been the best car for me to throw down uneven/bumpy roads etc, it just soaked the road up so well for me.

GT4P

5,564 posts

199 months

Sunday 20th February 2022
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Just to clarify they did make the LCI JCW early on as I have one it’s a June 2018 car pre GPF.
Great little cars running still on the Dunlop RFLs which have got better with mileage but will replace with Michelin’s when they wear out, it’s on the 18”s so any recommendations on a good tyre size? ie 215/40?
The engine is very torquey I have spun the wheels in third on hard acceleration on slightly damp road.
It’s a great daily!

Edited by GT4P on Sunday 20th February 11:09

shoestring7

6,145 posts

260 months

Sunday 20th February 2022
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Mine is the £14,500 JCW with adaptive. I’ve got grandfather rights to free adverts on Pistonheads and a GR Yaris on the way sometime this year, so half rather half-heartedly listed it for sale.

It’s been mine for three years and apart from regular servicing and replacing the God-awful factory fit runflats it has been completely faultless with a complete absence of interior rattles and creaks after its >60k miles. As pointed out above, the B48 is all about low and midrange, but it does mean you can stroke it along at a pretty fair rate without disturbing the passengers, and 40mpg is usually what I see on a tank of SUL. I was specifically looking for one on 17” wheels and adaptive, and that combination works really well on the crappy moonscapes that pass for roads in my part of Sussex.

I’d always like the ‘new’ Minis, but found the earlier models just a too toy town, especially the interiors, but F56s make a really excellent every day car - so long as all you plan to carry in the back are bags or legless dwarves.


benzinbob

750 posts

70 months

Sunday 20th February 2022
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I’ve heard all the go kart references blah blah blah it’s clearly good fun to drive, I get that- are they flimsy and rattly on the inside? They’re pricey cars and I’d want an all rounder for £15k. A Golf R, S3 8p/8v, M135i would do the mundane (95% of the time) stuff better no?

Real world driving isn’t always all about having fun, sometimes I want to sit back and relaaaaaxxx without hearing the glove box disintegrate every time I drive over a stone.

cerb4.5lee

36,599 posts

194 months

Sunday 20th February 2022
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benzinbob said:
I’ve heard all the go kart references blah blah blah it’s clearly good fun to drive, I get that- are they flimsy and rattly on the inside? They’re pricey cars and I’d want an all rounder for £15k. A Golf R, S3 8p/8v, M135i would do the mundane (95% of the time) stuff better no?

Real world driving isn’t always all about having fun, sometimes I want to sit back and relaaaaaxxx without hearing the glove box disintegrate every time I drive over a stone.
They are well put together and they don't rattle all that much(my Z4M was terrible when it came to rattles in comparison), you do get quite a bit of wind noise though and I found that a little off putting when I first got mine(I got the car brand new).

The ride is quite jiggly around town, but on long runs(I did a few 100 mile plus drives in mine) it is perfectly comfortable though for a small(ish) car I thought.

usualdog

241 posts

177 months

Sunday 20th February 2022
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Holgate86 said:
usualdog said:
Just picked up a 210 Works with the bluetooth exhaust & coilovers. Lovely car, and the exhaust is utterly bonkers!
The glowing review on the 210 on PH was one of the reasons I started looking at the F56, I found one in Harrogate at the time but it was too expensive/poor condition for me.

Enjoy the car (and the exhaust).
Will do. Cheers!

Court_S

14,179 posts

191 months

Sunday 20th February 2022
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We had an F56 Cooper that suffered with the paint rub from the door seals. The door shuts were repainted and clear tape was applied under warranty but a year later when the car went, it had started again in a different place.

The Primacy tyres were awful on the Cooper, I can’t believe that they were also fitted to the Cooper S.

Other than the door seals, ours was reliable but a few things bugged me….

  • The fuel gauge on the early cars looked like an afterthought. It was a st bit of design and felt cheap.
  • The steering wheel annoyed me too; the seam being along where you gripped it and the buttons were through 90 degrees so never made much sense to me.

blearyeyedboy

6,630 posts

193 months

Sunday 20th February 2022
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I was wondering about which small daily driver for £10-12k would be good to choose for the occasional giggle.

I'd forgotten these. It's an interesting alternative to the usual choices. I'm not keen on the Fiesta's hard ride and interior, the 208 seems a bit fragile and the Clio's gearbox disappoints... I might have to scour the classifieds now.

The lack of useful storage would bug me but I imagine that could be overcome with planning.

Thanks Mr Middlehurst; that's useful food for thought.

Edited by blearyeyedboy on Sunday 20th February 13:12

benzinbob

750 posts

70 months

Sunday 20th February 2022
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cerb4.5lee said:
benzinbob said:
I’ve heard all the go kart references blah blah blah it’s clearly good fun to drive, I get that- are they flimsy and rattly on the inside? They’re pricey cars and I’d want an all rounder for £15k. A Golf R, S3 8p/8v, M135i would do the mundane (95% of the time) stuff better no?

Real world driving isn’t always all about having fun, sometimes I want to sit back and relaaaaaxxx without hearing the glove box disintegrate every time I drive over a stone.
They are well put together and they don't rattle all that much(my Z4M was terrible when it came to rattles in comparison), you do get quite a bit of wind noise though and I found that a little off putting when I first got mine(I got the car brand new).

The ride is quite jiggly around town, but on long runs(I did a few 100 mile plus drives in mine) it is perfectly comfortable though for a small(ish) car I thought.
My friends z4 was rattly too. Jiggly is fine I can cope with that, it fits with the purpose and character of the car, I’d be a fool seeking an s class ride. An S3 on 19s can be jiggly.

Court_S

14,179 posts

191 months

Sunday 20th February 2022
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benzinbob said:
My friends z4 was rattly too. Jiggly is fine I can cope with that, it fits with the purpose and character of the car, I’d be a fool seeking an s class ride. An S3 on 19s can be jiggly.
The ride on these with 17’s is more than acceptable, it’s certainly a million miles away from my R53 Cooper S which was properly harsh on the sports plus suspension.

Comfort up front is good too, they feel bigger than most small cars (at the expense of rear space).