BMW 123d or 130i? or an alternative?
BMW 123d or 130i? or an alternative?
Author
Discussion

Chad.a

Original Poster:

17 posts

56 months

Monday 21st February 2022
quotequote all
Hi, New to the BMW world so any experiences/knowledge would be greatly appreciated.

I'm on the hunt for a 1 series with a bit of poke for under 10k. Initially I thought the 123d was ideal, given the great fuel economy and power on board.. Then I read about some of the issues, the main one being the timing chain. I thought maybe the 130i would be a better choice for reliability, although they seem to have their own issues with the water pump and rear sub frame rusting. Im a bit worried about the fuel economy on the 130i, I do about 10,000 miles a year which isn't loads, but it's mostly city driving.

Any advice?
Cheers

PTF

4,456 posts

254 months

Monday 21st February 2022
quotequote all
I had a 130i. 34mpg on a run, but more like 30 on average. 25-28mpg if you're just doing local stuff.

The tank isn't massive so 350 miles on a tank at best.

The engine in the 130i is a masterpiece, whereas the engine in the 123d....isn't.

I paid just over £10k for an M135i last year and that's been faultless, plus it was a little better on fuel compared to the 130i, maybe 5% or so.

Find a good 130i and treasure it.

Heathwood

3,035 posts

232 months

Monday 21st February 2022
quotequote all
I have a 130i which I’ve owned for 13 years. For me, it’s all about that N52 engine. It was the reason I bought it and the reason I still own it. I makes a fairly average car feel quite special and I can’t imagine it feeling like that with a Diesel engine under the bonnet.

Don’t worry about reliability. They have very few issues and none are hugely worrying. As you seem to have established, the electric water pump has a limited life span and will need replacing at some point, but you tend to get some warning signs and is not prohibitively expensive. Also many will already have had the water pump replaced. I’ve not heard of any subframe issues; I thought that was E46 territory.

The engine’s are pretty much bulletproof and many are running perfectly with high mileages. I’ve found maintenance to be cheap and depreciation has been non existent for years now. Economy is not amazing, with low 30s at best in my experience. It’s bloody worth it though!

Chad.a

Original Poster:

17 posts

56 months

Monday 21st February 2022
quotequote all
Thanks for the response and words of wisdom. Finding a 135 for 10k would probably be a stretch at the minute due to the mad prices for cars at the minute.

I’ve seen a 2006 model
70k miles
In excellent condition.
For just under £9k. Seems like mad money for a car of that age. But I guess it’s a piece of history. Haha

PTF

4,456 posts

254 months

Monday 21st February 2022
quotequote all
Bit of a stretch at that money

If well spec'd i'd happily pay £6k-£7k for one of that age and mileage.

Krikkit

27,938 posts

211 months

Monday 21st February 2022
quotequote all
130i is the choice I've made quite literally in the last week - found a red one with xenons, 90k miles and full history for £6500. Not immaculate but it's not far off, needs a little paint and a wheel refurb.

If ever there was a car that's all about the engine, the 130i really is it. If yours has runflats get rid of them as they're awful. If you can find one with the professional stereo or better you can fit bluetooth calling and music for £150 for a plug-in module.

Water pump isn't crazy expensive and easy enough, subframe rust - get a freshly MOT'd one then get a tin of underseal on it.

A 123d wouldn't get a look-in for me at 10k miles.

Chad.a

Original Poster:

17 posts

56 months

Monday 21st February 2022
quotequote all
Again thanks for the advice. Great stuff.
You definitely make it very tempting. I just wish the one I’ve seen was more in the 6/7k region. Although it does have an excellent service history and is immaculate.
Seen ones online with over 100k miles going for 6/7 k. It’s crazy.

Chad.a

Original Poster:

17 posts

56 months

Monday 21st February 2022
quotequote all
Krikkit said:
130i is the choice I've made quite literally in the last week - found a red one with xenons, 90k miles and full history for £6500. Not immaculate but it's not far off, needs a little paint and a wheel refurb.

If ever there was a car that's all about the engine, the 130i really is it. If yours has runflats get rid of them as they're awful. If you can find one with the professional stereo or better you can fit bluetooth calling and music for £150 for a plug-in module.

Water pump isn't crazy expensive and easy enough, subframe rust - get a freshly MOT'd one then get a tin of underseal on it.

A 123d wouldn't get a look-in for me at 10k miles.
In the grand scheme 9k maybe isn’t too bad for one in excellent condition. Although still crazy for a 2006 car.
Yeah I’ve heard the run flats are terrible. I guess the only fear then is getting a flat! But I’m sure there’s some kind of sealant device for that.

Edited by Chad.a on Monday 21st February 15:40

PurpleTurtle

8,871 posts

174 months

Monday 21st February 2022
quotequote all
I'd also go with the 130i, your annual mileage just doesn't justify a diesel, so for that reason alone I'd discount it.

However, the main reason is that the petrol lump is wonderful, and if you get a well cared for example and entrust its care to a good indie you'll have some great motoring for decent money.

Court_S

14,750 posts

207 months

Monday 21st February 2022
quotequote all
The 130i is a cracking little car. I swapped my M140i for one last year an have really enjoyed it.



The N52 is a cracking engine; it sounds good and has a lovely feel to it. It makes the car in my opinion. They do have a few issues; water pump and leaks from the rocker cover, oil filter housing, oil cooler and sump are the most common but can also leak from the valvetronic motor and sensor. That all sounds pretty bad, but it’s DIY-able. I replaced rocker cover, gasket and valvetronic sensor myself over Christmas having never really done anything like that before.



There are plenty of videos on YouTube to help.

Mine has a few mods; Birds B1 suspension, Performance spoiler and carbon intake, 135i backbox, M3 LCA’s (massive improvement), camber plates plus a much of stuff inside. It’s a lot of fun to punt down a decent road.

They’re tiny compared to modern cars, but it still managed to take the three of us and our dog on holiday to Devon last summer.

Heathwood

3,035 posts

232 months

Monday 21st February 2022
quotequote all
I find it surprising that some folk seem to think £8-9k is unreasonable for a really good, low mileage 130i when an equivalent Golf R32 or Alfa 147 GTA are considerably more.

Court_S

14,750 posts

207 months

Monday 21st February 2022
quotequote all
Heathwood said:
I find it surprising that some folk seem to think £8-9k is unreasonable for a really good, low mileage 130i when an equivalent Golf R32 or Alfa 147 GTA are considerably more.
Exactly, the R32’s command serious money (I guess partially inflated by the VW scene tax).

Heathwood

3,035 posts

232 months

Monday 21st February 2022
quotequote all
anonymous said:
[redacted]
Oh yes, we do agree on that one. I had a mk3 VR6 Many moons ago. Utter tripe!

Court_S

14,750 posts

207 months

Monday 21st February 2022
quotequote all
anonymous said:
[redacted]
It’s a bargain compared to a £15k MkV R32 though (especially with the rusty arches).

Deep Thought

40,169 posts

227 months

Monday 21st February 2022
quotequote all
Chad.a said:
Thanks for the response and words of wisdom. Finding a 135 for 10k would probably be a stretch at the minute due to the mad prices for cars at the minute.

I’ve seen a 2006 model
70k miles
In excellent condition.
For just under £9k. Seems like mad money for a car of that age. But I guess it’s a piece of history. Haha
Thats not the one here in NI is it?

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202202102...


Edited by Deep Thought on Monday 21st February 21:05

Chad.a

Original Poster:

17 posts

56 months

Monday 21st February 2022
quotequote all
Yes exactly that one. Thoughts?

Deep Thought

40,169 posts

227 months

Monday 21st February 2022
quotequote all
Chad.a said:
Yes exactly that one. Thoughts?
i'd initially thought it was expensive but it does seem to be the asking price these days for them.


Chad.a

Original Poster:

17 posts

56 months

Monday 21st February 2022
quotequote all
Yeah it does seem to be the market value. I just wasn’t sure if that was inflated like most semi new cars at the minute with this transmitter / microchip shortage.

driver67

1,099 posts

195 months

Monday 21st February 2022
quotequote all
Decent Facebook group :- 130i Owners, a few on sale now with another coming up soon.

I'm nearly on 150,000 miles after 11 years (16 years old now), had it since 55k, great cars.

Dougie.


Edited by driver67 on Monday 21st February 21:36

Chad.a

Original Poster:

17 posts

56 months

Monday 21st February 2022
quotequote all
Nice one Dougie. Have you spent much on repairs and maintenance?