Sasha Johnson Shooting - Trial Collapse

[PHZero]

I was surprised to see that this trial has collapsed:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-60479...

With the victim still in hospital, and with references to falling outs and circumstantial evidence being mentioned in the media, I wonder where the prosecution failed.

[JagLover]

From the sounds of it there was only circumstantial evidence and perhaps there was a flaw with a part of that evidence such that the standard of proof required was not met.

[Type R Tom]

You do have to wonder what kind of circles people move in when a house party needs a bouncer.

[GreatGranny]

Type R Tom said:

You do have to wonder what kind of circles people move in when a house party needs a bouncer.

2 posts until someone inferred it was the victims fault!

PH is slacking.

[Type R Tom]

GreatGranny said:

Type R Tom said:

You do have to wonder what kind of circles people move in when a house party needs a bouncer.

2 posts until someone inferred it was the victims fault!

PH is slacking.

Not victim blaming, just surprised there is a need for a bouncer at a house party, do the ones you have attended / attend need one then? I must be naïve if it's the norm, I apologies.

[CharlieCrocodile]

GreatGranny said:

2 posts until someone inferred it was the victims fault!

PH is slacking.

That really isn't victim blaming.

[Ridgemont]

GreatGranny said:

Type R Tom said:

You do have to wonder what kind of circles people move in when a house party needs a bouncer.

2 posts until someone inferred it was the victims fault!

PH is slacking.

That’s a bit of a leap.

[Sheepshanks]

Type R Tom said:

You do have to wonder what kind of circles people move in when a house party needs a bouncer.

Certainly struck me as odd to have a party at all when there had been hassle recently and they'd had a panic alarm fitted a few days earlier.


I'm wondering if they abandoned the trial as they thought likely the evidence wouldn't hold up so better to wait and see if they can make the case more robust. If they went ahead and lost I imagine it would need a very high level of evidence to try again.

[KingNothing]

Had totally forgotten about this, talking about it was kind of dropped like a hot potato by the usual lot when it was clear the narrative wasn't going to be the one they were hoping for.

[XCP]

Someone's been got at.

[originals]

XCP said:

Someone's been got at.

Care to elaborate?

[Gecko1978]

KingNothing said:

Had totally forgotten about this, talking about it was kind of dropped like a hot potato by the usual lot when it was clear the narrative wasn't going to be the one they were hoping for.

Oddly I seem to recall the met looked at gun crime and in most cases it was committed by and against people from the same group. I assume the women in question was not campaigning against that but perhaps her feeling that the police don't stop it or assume all crimes are of that nature. In anycase sad result and she is still in hospital so we can assume she is never leaving now sadly.

[Type R Tom]

originals said:

XCP said:

Someone's been got at.

Care to elaborate?

Unless I've missed it, there doesn't appear to be any mentioned of witnesses, only circumstantial evidence against them, which seems a little strange considering this happened at a party.

I guess the balaclavas worked and they aren't reliable

[Earthdweller]

Type R Tom said:

originals said:

XCP said:

Someone's been got at.

Care to elaborate?

Unless I've missed it, there doesn't appear to be any mentioned of witnesses, only circumstantial evidence against them, which seems a little strange considering this happened at a party.

I guess the balaclavas worked and they aren't reliable

You’d probably find that many many people at that party will know who pulled the trigger and why

Will they tell the Police ?

Will they stand in the witness box at a Crown Court ?

No


Will punishment be given, yes, undoubtedly but not through the judicial system

[originals]

I'd just like to know who XCP thinks has been "got at"?

[Oakey]

One of them has decided to turn informant?

[rodericb]

originals said:

I'd just like to know who XCP thinks has been "got at"?

Indeed, it could be quite the opposite.

article said:

In court, prosecutor Mark Heywood QC said he was unable to give the full reasons for the decision but had provided details to the court as to why the CPS had no option.

Outlining the case, he said four males in balaclavas had approached the house and discharged a weapon at guests, with one round striking Ms Johnson in the head at "very close range".

He said the Crown had alleged the four males were the defendants, however the case against them was based on circumstantial evidence and there was no direct evidence identifying any of them.

CCTV analysis, phone cell site and call data showed they planned and conducted surveillance before carrying out the attack with "murderous intent" on one or more partygoers, the court heard.

The men had denied being part of the alleged conspiracy or present on the night of the shooting.

The lads said they didn't do it so lets all move on

[BikeBikeBIke]

Sheepshanks said:

I'm wondering if they abandoned the trial as they thought likely the evidence wouldn't hold up so better to wait and see if they can make the case more robust. If they went ahead and lost I imagine it would need a very high level of evidence to try again.

"not guilty verdicts" - that's it. There will be no future case.

[Missy Charm]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

At the time of the attack, Ms Johnson worked in community activism and community support.

I like how they don't go into more background about Ms. Johnson.

I suspect that's because she's openly right wing, so would cause problems for the conventionally woke closet right wingers. Wish her better, poor thing, even if that's hopeless. She didn't deserve what happened to her.

[gotoPzero]

Earthdweller said:

Will punishment be given, yes, undoubtedly but not through the judicial system

We talking Home Alone Joe Pesci punishment or Goodfellas Joe Pesci punishment?