50 mph zones

[anonymous-user]

In Wales, citing concerns re NO2. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-60525089

The only conceivable upside of battery cars is that it will remove most of the pollution argument from the control freaks.

[Blakewater]

"Prof Kelly and others said more research was needed into the tiny particles of microplastics and chemicals that are released as tyres erode."

There will always be something else that they come after us for. The only answer is to change the people in charge.

[vonhosen]

Blakewater said:

"Prof Kelly and others said more research was needed into the tiny particles of microplastics and chemicals that are released as tyres erode."

There will always be something else that they come after us for. The only answer is to change the people in charge.

What candidates do you have in mind to take their place?
I don't see any party likely to get in that won't be for more of the same & I don't see sufficient people's voting in numbers influenced over a single issue (higher speed limits), that in reality is of little consequence to the vast majority.

[Blakewater]

vonhosen said:

Blakewater said:

"Prof Kelly and others said more research was needed into the tiny particles of microplastics and chemicals that are released as tyres erode."

There will always be something else that they come after us for. The only answer is to change the people in charge.

What candidates do you have in mind to take their place?
I don't see any party likely to get in that won't be for more of the same & I don't see sufficient people's voting in numbers influenced over a single issue (higher speed limits), that in reality is of little consequence to the vast majority.

The problem is, people tend to vote for the politicians with the best charm and bluster or on things that aren't really going to happen, such as all the promises and beliefs around Brexit. They moan about things such as speed limits, usually having been oblivious to the changes until they've got NIPs through the door, but don't vote according to the things that affect them and can be changed.

[bigothunter]

Blakewater said:

"Prof Kelly and others said more research was needed into the tiny particles of microplastics and chemicals that are released as tyres erode."

There will always be something else that they come after us for. The only answer is to change the people in charge.

Regen deceleration on BEVs will reduce particulate emissions from brake pads.

MaxTorque can explain why BEVs give tyres an easier life too...

Beware of scented candles and NOx emitted from your gas cooker. Wood burners are not too clever either...

[anonymous-user]

They've always been a bit slow in Wales

[saaby93]

Did the implemented 50mph zones give the desired effect- any figures anywhere

Meanwhile the 20mph zone is making progress despite accident rates appearing to be higher than in standard 30
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

[Blib]

So, electric cars can continue at the old speed limit?

Maybe, they could have their own 'Zil' Lane?

[jondude]

I believe the 56mph speed limit in the US was a direct result of the 70s oil crisis? You could argue the time to lower limits as they did then (and never really remove them again) is here now, with the war in Ukraine and spiralling energy costs.

To be fair, many do seem to have slowed down as yes, petrol is very expensive now. In fact our local stations are closed due to panic buying over fears of £2 a litre.

56mph was apparently chosen as back then this was considered the best speed to match torque and that for ultimate fuel consumption. Wonder if that is still true today?

[dxg]

vonhosen said:

Blakewater said:

"Prof Kelly and others said more research was needed into the tiny particles of microplastics and chemicals that are released as tyres erode."

There will always be something else that they come after us for. The only answer is to change the people in charge.

What candidates do you have in mind to take their place?
I don't see any party likely to get in that won't be for more of the same & I don't see sufficient people's voting in numbers influenced over a single issue (higher speed limits), that in reality is of little consequence to the vast majority.

I predicted this line of anti-car argumentation a couple of years ago. It was obvious that something would be found after exhaust particulates are out of the picture. The microplastics wokery is timed perfectly. After all, where does all the grime at the side of the road come from (says the anti-car brigade forgetting about natural causes like, you know, leaves being ground into mud and the dirt carried by rain...)?

[Theraveda]

tommy1973s said:

In Wales, citing concerns re NO2. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-60525089

The only conceivable upside of battery cars is that it will remove most of the pollution argument from the control freaks.

They're already pivoting to particulate pollution from tyres and brakes.

The control freaks don't want less polluting cars, they want you out of your car completely.

[bigothunter]

saaby93 said:

Did the implemented 50mph zones give the desired effect- any figures anywhere

Meanwhile the 20mph zone is making progress despite accident rates appearing to be higher than in standard 30
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

If 50mph zones align with current political rhetoric, does achieving the 'desired effect' really matter? What's the genuine reason for imposing these 50 and 20mph limits?

[Blakewater]

No one ever puts their name to these ideas. It's always, "A Government spokesman." If it's seen as a good idea and a vote winner, why is no one taking responsibility for it?

[bigothunter]

Blib said:

So, electric cars can continue at the old speed limit?

Maybe, they could have their own 'Zil' Lane?

No of course they can't. Travelling at 50 mph gives cheaper electric cars their essential range...

[bigothunter]

Theraveda said:

They're already pivoting to particulate pollution from tyres and brakes.

The control freaks don't want less polluting cars, they want you out of your car completely.

Clearly the political objective. We are experiencing an anti-car onslaught like never before. And there is little to no opposition...

[LukeBrown66]

it is clear if you stand back. The rich (with houses, drives, disposable income) will drive electric cars, the rest will be blackmailed via tax and costs on to public transport and if you do not do this you will be frowned upon, taxed massively heavily.

EV infrastructure in no way suits apartments, terraced housing or flats, it only suits the rich with their own drives and houses, are they suddenly going to build huge EV parking lots for the rest f us to charge? No, that will be more flats and apartments as they make more money.

[Geffg]

Bored shi#t less of all this nonsense. I wish they would just say we want as much money off motorists as possible and will do anything to get it instead of coming up with something else to blame every time one issue is resolved. We all needed diesel cars then they’re bad, lower emissions equals less road tax then when everyone did went to a blanket tax. Electric vehicles become more popular so they’ll soon be taxed for something like as been said about particle off tyres etc. Rich people will still have cars etc it’ll only effect the poorer people who can’t ford electric vehicles.
A lot of things that where supposed to happewith global warming etc haven't happened all the way back to the 60’s and 70’s etc.
this may sound really bad but I don’t care if the world is around in thousands of years as I’ll be long gone and so will any relatives / kids / grandkids etc etc.
people need to get a life and enjoy it whilst they can.

[vonhosen]

Geffg said:

Bored shi#t less of all this nonsense. I wish they would just say we want as much money off motorists as possible and will do anything to get it instead of coming up with something else to blame every time one issue is resolved. We all needed diesel cars then they’re bad, lower emissions equals less road tax then when everyone did went to a blanket tax. Electric vehicles become more popular so they’ll soon be taxed for something like as been said about particle off tyres etc. Rich people will still have cars etc it’ll only effect the poorer people who can’t ford electric vehicles.
A lot of things that where supposed to happewith global warming etc haven't happened all the way back to the 60’s and 70’s etc.
this may sound really bad but I don’t care if the world is around in thousands of years as I’ll be long gone and so will any relatives / kids / grandkids etc etc.
people need to get a life and enjoy it whilst they can.

Individual motorised transport isn't going to be a very efficient use of energy compared to mass transport is it?
Yes it's very convenient for us as individuals.
Realistically with energy in crisis, costs rising & with an ever growing population I doubt it is sustainable to have 4 or 5 car households.

I, like you, am selfish & self serving. So I'll keep going as long as I can with what's convenient for me.
I'm lucky to have enjoyed a fairly halcyon period of driving, but that is realistically going to have to end at some point.
A sustainable future requires that people like me/you are not in charge & that they legislate against us (or price us out) in order to force change in us. Because we aren't going to do it voluntarily.

Edited by vonhosen on Sunday 27th February 14:47

[bigothunter]

vonhosen said:

Individual motorised transport isn't going to be a very efficient use of energy compared to mass transport is it?
Yes it's very convenient for us as individuals.
Realistically with energy in crisis, costs rising & with an ever growing population I doubt it is sustainable to have 4 or 5 car households.

I, like you, am selfish & self serving. So I'll keep going as long as I can with what's convenient for me.
I'm lucky to have enjoyed a fairly halcyon period of driving, but that is realistically going to have to end at some point.
A sustainable future requires that people like me/you are not in charge & that they legislate against us (or price us out) in order to force change in us. Because we aren't going to do it voluntarily.

Outside of peak times, I make a point of observing how many passengers make use of their double deck bus. Average is about three. That bus has a dedicated lane. Hardly efficient use of energy or road space, and yet another factor which aggravates congestion.

[vonhosen]

bigothunter said:

vonhosen said:

Individual motorised transport isn't going to be a very efficient use of energy compared to mass transport is it?
Yes it's very convenient for us as individuals.
Realistically with energy in crisis, costs rising & with an ever growing population I doubt it is sustainable to have 4 or 5 car households.

I, like you, am selfish & self serving. So I'll keep going as long as I can with what's convenient for me.
I'm lucky to have enjoyed a fairly halcyon period of driving, but that is realistically going to have to end at some point.
A sustainable future requires that people like me/you are not in charge & that they legislate against us (or price us out) in order to force change in us. Because we aren't going to do it voluntarily.

Outside of peak times, I make a point of observing how many passengers make use of their double deck bus. Average is about three. That bus has a dedicated lane. Hardly efficient use of energy or road space, and yet another factor which aggravates congestion.

And they'll need to force (price) more of us onto that in future, because we aren't going to do it voluntarily.
For a lot of the elderly it's already cheaper to forego the independence of their car (it's value & running costs & parking space) & go the uber or bus route.