Hand me down company car- BIK question
Hand me down company car- BIK question
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Turbo-Dan

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69 posts

116 months

Thursday 17th March 2022
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Afternoon all,

My wife has accepted a job that includes a company car allowance, they use a lease company who say they can get any car on the uk market. When she enquired about the car they said they will check what they have on fleet, only one car is available and is used. How is bik calculated on this? Is it calculated on 2019 rates or on 2022 rates. The car in question is diesel and has emissions of 148g/km so 2022 rates would be very expensive 37% if I’m correct.

She can’t order a car until she starts so might have to accept this car until whatever she orders arrives. Just trying to understand what it will cost really.

Thanks

IJWS15

2,110 posts

107 months

Thursday 17th March 2022
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P11d and CO2 figures for when car was new, tax rates for current year.

Can she take it as a car allowance rather than a car?

Panamax

7,981 posts

56 months

Thursday 17th March 2022
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Yes, a car is a car is a car for the BIK rules. But, of course, there's no charge at all so long as the car is never used for private purposes. It comes down to a question of how much use you can get out of it and whether there are any realistic alternatives. It's never worth falling out with your employer over a car.

Turbo-Dan

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Thursday 17th March 2022
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IJWS15 said:
P11d and CO2 figures for when car was new, tax rates for current year.

Can she take it as a car allowance rather than a car?
Thank you,

She can, but the extra on her wage will push her into 40% tax on that amount, so it won’t really cover a car.. the idea for us was to go electric with her allowance through the company and pay next to no BIK

Turbo-Dan

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Thursday 17th March 2022
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Panamax said:
Yes, a car is a car is a car for the BIK rules. But, of course, there's no charge at all so long as the car is never used for private purposes. It comes down to a question of how much use you can get out of it and whether there are any realistic alternatives. It's never worth falling out with your employer over a car.
Thanks, the car will be used for private and work use, we are aiming to sell our current car and go electric to save both on car and fuel costs..

blue_haddock

4,806 posts

89 months

Thursday 17th March 2022
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sounds like she will have to accept the vehicle in the short term and just use it until whatever she orders come through which with current problems could easily be 12 months +

Turbo-Dan

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Thursday 17th March 2022
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That’s my worry, if I’m calculating it correctly the current BIK on that car is over £4k…

IJWS15

2,110 posts

107 months

Thursday 17th March 2022
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Turbo-Dan said:
Thank you,

She can, but the extra on her wage will push her into 40% tax on that amount, so it won’t really cover a car.. the idea for us was to go electric with her allowance through the company and pay next to no BIK
Can you juggle what each of you pays into pension to stay below the 40%?

Scrump

23,689 posts

180 months

Thursday 17th March 2022
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Turbo-Dan said:
That’s my worry, if I’m calculating it correctly the current BIK on that car is over £4k…
What car is it?

I have always found Comcar.co.uk to be useful when calculating company car BIK.

Turbo-Dan

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116 months

Thursday 17th March 2022
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IJWS15 said:
Turbo-Dan said:
Thank you,

She can, but the extra on her wage will push her into 40% tax on that amount, so it won’t really cover a car.. the idea for us was to go electric with her allowance through the company and pay next to no BIK
Can you juggle what each of you pays into pension to stay below the 40%?
I’m not sure actually, it’s only her wage that is relevant.

Turbo-Dan

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Thursday 17th March 2022
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Scrump said:
Turbo-Dan said:
That’s my worry, if I’m calculating it correctly the current BIK on that car is over £4k…
What car is it?

I have always found Comcar.co.uk to be useful when calculating company car BIK.
Thanks, it’s a 2019 Audi Q2 35tsfi sport

Scrump

23,689 posts

180 months

Thursday 17th March 2022
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Here is a screenshot from comcar.
Exact tax depends on when the car was registered and which gearbox etc, but it seems to be about £1,500 pa on 20% tax and £3,000 pa on 40% tax.



Edit: your opening post says it is diesel but a tfsi is petrol.

The diesel is a lot more expensive:



Edited by Scrump on Thursday 17th March 17:45

Turbo-Dan

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Thursday 17th March 2022
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Scrump said:
Here is a screenshot from comcar.
Exact tax depends on when the car was registered and which gearbox etc, but it seems to be about £1,500 pa on 20% tax and £3,000 pa on 40% tax.

Thank you very much! Seems I was looking at something wrong. It was registered March 2019 and is an auto.

Edit- I typed the reg in incorrectly first time and it came back as a diesel.. my mistake apologies

Scrump

23,689 posts

180 months

Thursday 17th March 2022
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Turbo-Dan said:
Thank you very much! Seems I was looking at something wrong. It was registered March 2019 and is an auto.
See the petrol/diesel edit to my earlier post.

Turbo-Dan

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Thursday 17th March 2022
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Scrump said:
Turbo-Dan said:
Thank you very much! Seems I was looking at something wrong. It was registered March 2019 and is an auto.
See the petrol/diesel edit to my earlier post.
I edited my last post but best to respond here, I made a mistake with the reg provided first time round and got back a diesel one.. doh. With the BIK as cheap as that I think she will be happy to take it until the car she orders comes.

Now what to get? I quite like the polestar 2, tesla seems too obvious and having looked around a few I’m not impressed with the overall quality of them and don’t really like much of the interior, my wife will obviously get the choice in the end but is asking me what I would like too considering it’ll replace our main car.

Scrump

23,689 posts

180 months

Thursday 17th March 2022
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The BIK may push your wife into the 40% tax bracket.

Turbo-Dan

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69 posts

116 months

Thursday 17th March 2022
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Saying she took the money, I’m correct in thinking it will just be added to her salary and taxed as normal?

Turbo-Dan

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Thursday 17th March 2022
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Scrump said:
The BIK may push your wife into the 40% tax bracket.
Now I am confused! BIK increases your top line pay?

IJWS15

2,110 posts

107 months

Thursday 17th March 2022
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Turbo-Dan said:
I’m not sure actually, it’s only her wage that is relevant.
I am assuming that you work as well and neither is on a final salary scheme. Think outside the box, is it worth dropping your pension contributions and increasing hers to keep her under the 40%. Overall the same pension contributions between you but less tax paid.

Scrump

23,689 posts

180 months

Thursday 17th March 2022
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Turbo-Dan said:
Scrump said:
The BIK may push your wife into the 40% tax bracket.
Now I am confused! BIK increases your top line pay?
The benefit in kind value is shown in the comcar screenshots. If this amount takes her into the 40% tax bracket then she will pay the higher rate of company car tax.

If she takes the allowance then it will be taxed as normal income, with any amount over the lower tax threshold being taxed at 40%.