RE: ' questions on reliability' post.
Discussion
As I said on the 'questions on reliability' post....
I can’t understand people on this site, especially the T Sp6 forum. 'WE' as in the owners are constantly putting our cars down, complaining about problems that most of us knew about before we bought them. I have to say that I have not seen this on the 350/sag forum, so why just the Tuscan Speed 6 forum??
Is it something about us Brits that we love to complain but still put up with it and carry on complaining????
If you like the Tuscan or any other TVR powered by a Speed 6, then buy one. Buy a new one if you can afford to or check the history, warranty (if any or 3rd party) and do your homework. You are obviously a 'petrolhead' and costs are not the priority on your shopping list. Sure there have been problems, nothing though I have actually read in the press, only what I have read on PistonHeads. The car will cost you money in running, servicing, 3 party warranty etc, so live with it.
If you are unsure about the S6, costs of running or any other reliability issue with TVR then stay away and you will sleep at night, but don’t keep saying ,'Oh I would love a TVR'.
Me, I bought a new tuscan for three reasons:
1. Your a long time Dead!!!!
2. 3yr warranty.
3. This government and his spy in the sky will in the next 10-15 years have totally destroyed any enjoyment in driving buy making it to expensive.
:banghead:
I can’t understand people on this site, especially the T Sp6 forum. 'WE' as in the owners are constantly putting our cars down, complaining about problems that most of us knew about before we bought them. I have to say that I have not seen this on the 350/sag forum, so why just the Tuscan Speed 6 forum??
Is it something about us Brits that we love to complain but still put up with it and carry on complaining????
If you like the Tuscan or any other TVR powered by a Speed 6, then buy one. Buy a new one if you can afford to or check the history, warranty (if any or 3rd party) and do your homework. You are obviously a 'petrolhead' and costs are not the priority on your shopping list. Sure there have been problems, nothing though I have actually read in the press, only what I have read on PistonHeads. The car will cost you money in running, servicing, 3 party warranty etc, so live with it.
If you are unsure about the S6, costs of running or any other reliability issue with TVR then stay away and you will sleep at night, but don’t keep saying ,'Oh I would love a TVR'.
Me, I bought a new tuscan for three reasons:
1. Your a long time Dead!!!!
2. 3yr warranty.
3. This government and his spy in the sky will in the next 10-15 years have totally destroyed any enjoyment in driving buy making it to expensive.
:banghead:
In fairness Almack I dont think it is the owners who put cars down on this forum.
Its the wannabeebutcantaffordems, trolls and disgruntled former owners who do most of the sniping. You rarely see a negative post by a current owner. Its usually the mindless "I'm thinking of buying one but my mate says........" posts that starts all the rows.
I had stopped posting on this forum because I got sick of it and I think thats a policy I should revert to.
Its the wannabeebutcantaffordems, trolls and disgruntled former owners who do most of the sniping. You rarely see a negative post by a current owner. Its usually the mindless "I'm thinking of buying one but my mate says........" posts that starts all the rows.
I had stopped posting on this forum because I got sick of it and I think thats a policy I should revert to.
unrepentant said:
In fairness Almack I dont think it is the owners who put cars down on this forum.
Its the wannabeebutcantaffordems, trolls and disgruntled former owners who do most of the sniping.
I can easily afford a Tuscan. I don't troll. I'm not a former owner.
Why buy something with a known 80% failure rate?
zumbruk said:
In fairness Almack I dont think it is the owners who put cars down on this forum.
Its the wannabeebutcantaffordems, trolls and disgruntled former owners who do most of the sniping.
I can easily afford a Tuscan. I don't troll. I'm not a former owner.
Why buy something with a known 80% failure rate?
Like I said. You rarely see a negative post by a current owner.
unrepentant said:
unrepentant said:
In fairness Almack I dont think it is the owners who put cars down on this forum.
Its the wannabeebutcantaffordems, trolls and disgruntled former owners who do most of the sniping.
I can easily afford a Tuscan. I don't troll. I'm not a former owner.
Why buy something with a known 80% failure rate?
Like I said. You rarely see a negative post by a current owner.
I can actually remember quite a few, but it must be said that these are usually commenting on policies and standards of customer service as oppose to the problem itself per se, apart from one I can remember where a guy was on his third rebuild and looking for alternative fixes.
I agree in what your saying though, however it works the other way round as well. Not many of the people who are vocally bored or frustrated with discussions on reliability have actually had the discomfort and inconvenience in forking out £5000 for a rebuild themselves!
I think such discussions will become a lot less frequent when the discussion and release of the engine fix my the designer in a couple of weeks. These guys have opviously spent a lot of time dissecting engines in need of a rebuild to find what exactly is wrong. When we find out what exactly is wrong the truth as they say will be out there. If it is the case that the 'batch of faulty parts' scenario is true, then we can say that it is most likely that if an engine has got to 20,000 miles or more that they are probably not affected and those owners can be happy with that and so will potential buyers. If it is the case that the design is truly flawed and the enevitable need for a rebuild is only accelerated by spirited use, then at least this information is out there too, and owners can plan ahead and potential buyers can look for rebuilt engines.
Either way, this hard information and JSG's survey, or another newer one will mean that all the facts will be out there.
I would personally recommend that both of these reports should be placed on a sticky, so that if a question needs to be asked by a potential buyer or current owner, they can be directed there, then make their own assumption of reliability based on *facts* rather than pub hearsay or an impromptu straw poll based on how many people resond with 'I needed a rebuild' compared to how many people respond with 'mine's fine, dont worry about it!'.
If after that, people have specific queries, then fair enough, the open forum should be the place to ask these without prejudice.
[quote=unrepentant]In fairness Almack I dont think it is the owners who put cars down on this forum.
Its the wannabeebutcantaffordems, trolls and disgruntled former owners who do most of the sniping. You rarely see a negative post by a current owner. Its usually the mindless "I'm thinking of buying one but my mate says........" posts that starts all the rows.
I had stopped posting on this forum because I got sick of it and I think thats a policy I should revert to.[/
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DITTO, I CANT STAND THE MOANING ANY MORE
Its the wannabeebutcantaffordems, trolls and disgruntled former owners who do most of the sniping. You rarely see a negative post by a current owner. Its usually the mindless "I'm thinking of buying one but my mate says........" posts that starts all the rows.
I had stopped posting on this forum because I got sick of it and I think thats a policy I should revert to.[/
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DITTO, I CANT STAND THE MOANING ANY MORE
Sod's law eh!
This subject gets its own new special section and the thread goes dead! I have a look and my thoughts about using JSG's survey as a sticky has not only been read but acted out!
Seriously though I think that this having its own section is a great way forward. Those who wish to look at or post about reliability can, and it leaves the Tuscan forum for much happier stuff!
Seriously though I would hope that this will be a gret way forward for getting away from hearsay and getting towards getting some actual facts as a resource for potential and current owners.
I am away on August 14th but if someone who is going to the Al Melling presentation could post as much info as possible on here, I for one would love to hear it. I also think that it would be an extremely useful resource for future 'question askers' like a read this first section of the forum.
I also think that it would be a good idea to repeat the 'JSG' survey somehow. It is now pretty much exactly a year on and we now have more info on some of the early cars, as it now seems the majority have now got to the 20-30k milages plus, we have info on second and third rebuilds, there are also more detailed information to be got from the last of the 4.0 Tuscans and also now the 3.6's where both of which were pretty 'new' at the time of the last survey.
I would nominate myself, but I am away in a weeks time for a couple of weeks, but I could help out at the start of September if I an find some time...
Anybody interested?
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This subject gets its own new special section and the thread goes dead! I have a look and my thoughts about using JSG's survey as a sticky has not only been read but acted out!
Seriously though I think that this having its own section is a great way forward. Those who wish to look at or post about reliability can, and it leaves the Tuscan forum for much happier stuff!
Seriously though I would hope that this will be a gret way forward for getting away from hearsay and getting towards getting some actual facts as a resource for potential and current owners.
I am away on August 14th but if someone who is going to the Al Melling presentation could post as much info as possible on here, I for one would love to hear it. I also think that it would be an extremely useful resource for future 'question askers' like a read this first section of the forum.
I also think that it would be a good idea to repeat the 'JSG' survey somehow. It is now pretty much exactly a year on and we now have more info on some of the early cars, as it now seems the majority have now got to the 20-30k milages plus, we have info on second and third rebuilds, there are also more detailed information to be got from the last of the 4.0 Tuscans and also now the 3.6's where both of which were pretty 'new' at the time of the last survey.
I would nominate myself, but I am away in a weeks time for a couple of weeks, but I could help out at the start of September if I an find some time...
Anybody interested?
I
PhantomPH said:
almack said:
1. Your a long time Dead!!!!
Which should not happen as quickly in a Mk2 than as a Mk1 apparently
As for the rest of your reasons - I agree whole heartedly with them all...now if you can convince my wife for me...
Don't tell you're wife about the what I understand to be a high number of passenger deaths in Tuscans then
. some ufortuanetly reported on here. And a quite high numberof single vehicle accidents. Hence higher insurance, see the numebr of threads on here... Somehow their don't seem to be as many due to tamora/t350's. I wonder if that is because their are less of them, or a 'certain' type of driver chooses the tuscan. Of course, NOTHING like as high as motorcycle deaths in 30-50 something males, something like 19% of deaths, in 2-3 % of road journeys.
I understand something to do with a dog leg in the chassis may be causing the car to fold on the passenger side in some accidents...
Not good for residuals if TVR is ever found to be liable.
B
>> Edited by bjwoods on Thursday 4th August 09:00
unrepentant said:
In fairness Almack I dont think it is the owners who put cars down on this forum.
Its the wannabeebutcantaffordems, trolls and disgruntled former owners who do most of the sniping. You rarely see a negative post by a current owner. Its usually the mindless "I'm thinking of buying one but my mate says........" posts that starts all the rows.
I had stopped posting on this forum because I got sick of it and I think thats a policy I should revert to.
'disgruntled' FOMER owners..... !?
Perhaps current owners turn into 'disgruntled' over a period of a few years/rebuilds/poor customer service
Why are they disgruntled is perhaps quite reasonable thing to ask... CAN@T realy say they haven't experienced the joys of TVR ownership either...
I remember of a number of people rabidly defending their tuscans in the 'JSG rebuild thread' only to report a few months later 'pretty apologetically' that theirs had now gone back for a rebuild - and had poor customer service - and were now thousands out of pocket.
A friend of mine would love a tuscan, -and I could not (however much I would like to) really recommend he do it.... PLus i think he'd kill himselve pretty quickly.
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bjwoods said:
In fairness Almack I dont think it is the owners who put cars down on this forum.
Its the wannabeebutcantaffordems, trolls and disgruntled former owners who do most of the sniping. You rarely see a negative post by a current owner. Its usually the mindless "I'm thinking of buying one but my mate says........" posts that starts all the rows.
A friend of mine would love a tuscan, -and I could not (however much I would like to) really recommend he do it.... PLus i think he'd kill himselve pretty quickly.
B
Like I said. Not many Tuscan owners..................
:yawn:
bjwoods said:
Seems like you missed the irony present in your 'disgruntled' FORMER owners comment.
B
WTF are you on about? There are plenty of NEW TVR owners - check the threads on here. And they are ALL powered by the SP6. And many are 2nd or 3rd time SP6 owners. So what's your point?
Or are you just another axe grinder for whatever reason?
I have no axe to grind, I would love a tuscan, but I'm concerned about the s6 engine reliability, as I have never heard a definitive answer out of TVR on the reason why. I also am concerned as I tend to keep the cars for a long time, of any potential out of warranty cost, i do not have bottomless pockets.
As i said you seem very dismissive of disgruntled 'former' owners.... ie they were all current at one point, untill got so p***** off that they sold it
the question still stands their seem to be very many disgruntled ex Tuscan owners. They have an equally valid opinion on the cars imho as 'current' owners. I can't ignore this when considering buying a car that cost £40-50k new..
On a separate issue, i'm concerned about safety, I have been told, of a potential design flaw in the chassis, contributing to passenger deaths in the event of certain types of accident.
Also, the future of TVR ie how long will smolenski be around, unless perhaps we get into an MG/Rover situation.
No doubt my concerns will be dismissed as yet another whinger/troll/not an owner comment.
but for the moment I won't be buying one, nor I guess are many others for the same/similar reasons. Which IS a problem for TVR.
Which goes back to the biggest gripe about TVR is communication... which is nothing to do with the cars.
B
>> Edited by bjwoods on Thursday 4th August 11:37
>> Edited by bjwoods on Thursday 4th August 11:45
As i said you seem very dismissive of disgruntled 'former' owners.... ie they were all current at one point, untill got so p***** off that they sold it
the question still stands their seem to be very many disgruntled ex Tuscan owners. They have an equally valid opinion on the cars imho as 'current' owners. I can't ignore this when considering buying a car that cost £40-50k new..
On a separate issue, i'm concerned about safety, I have been told, of a potential design flaw in the chassis, contributing to passenger deaths in the event of certain types of accident.
Also, the future of TVR ie how long will smolenski be around, unless perhaps we get into an MG/Rover situation.
No doubt my concerns will be dismissed as yet another whinger/troll/not an owner comment.
but for the moment I won't be buying one, nor I guess are many others for the same/similar reasons. Which IS a problem for TVR.
Which goes back to the biggest gripe about TVR is communication... which is nothing to do with the cars.
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>> Edited by bjwoods on Thursday 4th August 11:37
>> Edited by bjwoods on Thursday 4th August 11:45
bjwoods said:
almack said:
1. Your a long time Dead!!!!
Which should not happen as quickly in a Mk2 than as a Mk1 apparently
As for the rest of your reasons - I agree whole heartedly with them all...now if you can convince my wife for me...
Don't tell you're wife about the what I understand to be a high number of passenger deaths in Tuscans then
Of course, NOTHING like as high as motorcycle deaths in 30-50 something males, something like 19% of deaths, in 2-3 % of road journeys.
I understand something to do with a dog leg in the chassis may be causing the car to fold on the passenger side in some accidents...
Not good for residuals if TVR is ever found to be liable.
B
>> Edited by bjwoods on Thursday 4th August 09:00
I would have thought (from experience) that perhaps the reason why there are more reports of Tuscan crashes as oppose to t350s and Tamoras was not so much the type of people who drive them but the general standard of handling and setup.
A lot of the earlier Tuscans were a bit 'skittish' at best. This is the main reason that people are opting to replace suspension and getting the car set up professionally. From what other posters has said it took a number of changes of tyres, suspension and alignment settings to get the car set at a decent standard. From what I have heard, despite the Tamora and T350 having almost identical straight line performance, their standard of handling setup was a lot more compliant and predictable.
This is probably some of the cause unfortunately of the single vehicle accidents. For the subject of the design attributing to passenger deaths this is certainly something I have not heard before, so if someone could post a little more info or figures I would be most grateful.
I 'believe' based on someone opinion/knowledge that I respect, that one accident was/is being investigated by the coroner...
As i understand it the tuscan chassis has a 'kink' in it on one side of the car, due to the layout of engine/transmission.. and MAY have been considered a contributory factor.
That is all I know, a quick look at the chassis/triangulation would give an indication....
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As i understand it the tuscan chassis has a 'kink' in it on one side of the car, due to the layout of engine/transmission.. and MAY have been considered a contributory factor.
That is all I know, a quick look at the chassis/triangulation would give an indication....
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bjwoods said:
No doubt my concerns will be dismissed as yet another whinger/troll/not an owner comment.
but for the moment I won't be buying one
So you're someone who has no intention of buying one but likes to spend time slagging them off.
I call that a troll.
As far as safety is concerned, IIRC a Tuscan was crashed in a crash test and was shown to be more safe than many comparable cars. I cant remember the details but it was posted on here (several years ago).
The reason that more Tuscans have been involved in accidents than T350's and Tams could also be due to the fact that many many more Tuscans have been sold (and over a 5 year period) than either the T350 or the Tam.
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