Roads closed to improve safety
Discussion
How often is a road closed 'to improve safety'
Could that be applied to every road?
https://newsroom.shropshire.gov.uk/2021/03/crowmeo...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-shropshire-6...
"The aim of the trial point closure was to create a safe corridor for walking and cycling to and from residential areas to access employment, including the Royal Shrewsbury Hospital which is a major employer, as well as schools and key services in the area.
"The trial point closure was purely signage-only, but there is evidence that a lack of physical barriers has resulted in a number of drivers ignoring the point closure and driving through it."
Traffic monitoring reported drivers were "regularly flouting" the trial closure in Crowmeole Lane, so cameras are set to be installed.
There will be a six-week consultation and an order banning traffic other than buses may start in September.
Could that be applied to every road?
https://newsroom.shropshire.gov.uk/2021/03/crowmeo...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-shropshire-6...
"The aim of the trial point closure was to create a safe corridor for walking and cycling to and from residential areas to access employment, including the Royal Shrewsbury Hospital which is a major employer, as well as schools and key services in the area.
"The trial point closure was purely signage-only, but there is evidence that a lack of physical barriers has resulted in a number of drivers ignoring the point closure and driving through it."
Traffic monitoring reported drivers were "regularly flouting" the trial closure in Crowmeole Lane, so cameras are set to be installed.
There will be a six-week consultation and an order banning traffic other than buses may start in September.
saaby93 said:
How often is a road closed 'to improve safety'
Could that be applied to every road?
https://newsroom.shropshire.gov.uk/2021/03/crowmeo...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-shropshire-6...
"The aim of the trial point closure was to create a safe corridor for walking and cycling to and from residential areas to access employment, including the Royal Shrewsbury Hospital which is a major employer, as well as schools and key services in the area.
"The trial point closure was purely signage-only, but there is evidence that a lack of physical barriers has resulted in a number of drivers ignoring the point closure and driving through it."
Traffic monitoring reported drivers were "regularly flouting" the trial closure in Crowmeole Lane, so cameras are set to be installed.
There will be a six-week consultation and an order banning traffic other than buses may start in September.
You can probably expect that not to reopen. Local authority "consultations" generally equate to a decision having been made already. It's a sop to give the impression that the general public has some choice in the matter.Could that be applied to every road?
https://newsroom.shropshire.gov.uk/2021/03/crowmeo...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-shropshire-6...
"The aim of the trial point closure was to create a safe corridor for walking and cycling to and from residential areas to access employment, including the Royal Shrewsbury Hospital which is a major employer, as well as schools and key services in the area.
"The trial point closure was purely signage-only, but there is evidence that a lack of physical barriers has resulted in a number of drivers ignoring the point closure and driving through it."
Traffic monitoring reported drivers were "regularly flouting" the trial closure in Crowmeole Lane, so cameras are set to be installed.
There will be a six-week consultation and an order banning traffic other than buses may start in September.
Randy Winkman said:
Very different circumstances but in London at Trafalgar Square and outside Buckingham Palace. Also Bromley High Street in SE London. Probably other highstreets all over the place. As I say, different situations but it does happen.
London is a mess. Lots of roadworks with nothing happening and "COVID safety" measures in disarray, generally getting in the way. I am surprised that Mr Khan can get about in his Range Rover.Louis Balfour said:
You can probably expect that not to reopen. Local authority "consultations" generally equate to a decision having been made already. It's a sop to give the impression that the general public has some choice in the matter.
Yup. We have them here in London. They closed the roads, and never reopened them. Called "Low Traffic Neighbourhoods". Consultation was a joke.
Louis Balfour said:
You can probably expect that not to reopen. Local authority "consultations" generally equate to a decision having been made already. It's a sop to give the impression that the general public has some choice in the matter.
Exactly. It has happened in Bristol. Lots of trial closures, that turn permanent. Some of them (Bristol Bridge), you can't imagine they would make permanent as it just seems so stupid, but they do. Fairly effective way to kill a city centre IMHO. Louis Balfour said:
Randy Winkman said:
Very different circumstances but in London at Trafalgar Square and outside Buckingham Palace. Also Bromley High Street in SE London. Probably other highstreets all over the place. As I say, different situations but it does happen.
London is a mess. Lots of roadworks with nothing happening and "COVID safety" measures in disarray, generally getting in the way. I am surprised that Mr Khan can get about in his Range Rover.
Red9zero said:
Louis Balfour said:
You can probably expect that not to reopen. Local authority "consultations" generally equate to a decision having been made already. It's a sop to give the impression that the general public has some choice in the matter.
Exactly. It has happened in Bristol. Lots of trial closures, that turn permanent. Some of them (Bristol Bridge), you can't imagine they would make permanent as it just seems so stupid, but they do. Fairly effective way to kill a city centre IMHO. Randy Winkman said:
Louis Balfour said:
Randy Winkman said:
Very different circumstances but in London at Trafalgar Square and outside Buckingham Palace. Also Bromley High Street in SE London. Probably other highstreets all over the place. As I say, different situations but it does happen.
London is a mess. Lots of roadworks with nothing happening and "COVID safety" measures in disarray, generally getting in the way. I am surprised that Mr Khan can get about in his Range Rover.Anyone familiar with the area able to clarify this -
“walking and cycling to and from residential areas to access employment, including the Royal Shrewsbury Hospital”
As it reads as though they have shut a road to traffic that accesses a hospital
One of many no doubt but are we really at a stage where we are reducing access routes for hospital staff rather than simply installing some sufficient paving?? We can install traffic cameras though??
“walking and cycling to and from residential areas to access employment, including the Royal Shrewsbury Hospital”
As it reads as though they have shut a road to traffic that accesses a hospital
One of many no doubt but are we really at a stage where we are reducing access routes for hospital staff rather than simply installing some sufficient paving?? We can install traffic cameras though??
saaby93 said:
How often is a road closed 'to improve safety'
Could that be applied to every road?
https://newsroom.shropshire.gov.uk/2021/03/crowmeo...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-shropshire-6...
"The aim of the trial point closure was to create a safe corridor for walking and cycling to and from residential areas to access employment, including the Royal Shrewsbury Hospital which is a major employer, as well as schools and key services in the area.
"The trial point closure was purely signage-only, but there is evidence that a lack of physical barriers has resulted in a number of drivers ignoring the point closure and driving through it."
Traffic monitoring reported drivers were "regularly flouting" the trial closure in Crowmeole Lane, so cameras are set to be installed.
O/TCould that be applied to every road?
https://newsroom.shropshire.gov.uk/2021/03/crowmeo...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-shropshire-6...
"The aim of the trial point closure was to create a safe corridor for walking and cycling to and from residential areas to access employment, including the Royal Shrewsbury Hospital which is a major employer, as well as schools and key services in the area.
"The trial point closure was purely signage-only, but there is evidence that a lack of physical barriers has resulted in a number of drivers ignoring the point closure and driving through it."
Traffic monitoring reported drivers were "regularly flouting" the trial closure in Crowmeole Lane, so cameras are set to be installed.
IIRC it was Edinburgh under the auspices of Mister Anticar aka Prof David Begg where wider road closures were implemented some years ago, at which time drivers routinely flouted the signs in a move which grew to a mass disobedience protest. After the attempted closures were made pointless the signs were removed. If I also remember correctly, Begg's next job involved integrated public transport, which he failed to provide in Edinburgh
We still have Covid closures locally, one access road onto an estate which has been bus/taxi only specifically as a Covid measure and there are still lane closures and one way systems in place in other areas, the closed lane having the big red and white plastic blocks in place for social distancing, supposedly one way on the pavement and one way on the road, which nobody is following. It's like Spring 2020 in the minds of some local authorities, as if they were unaware of the current Covid situation.
menousername said:
Anyone familiar with the area able to clarify this -
“walking and cycling to and from residential areas to access employment, including the Royal Shrewsbury Hospital”
As it reads as though they have shut a road to traffic that accesses a hospital
One of many no doubt but are we really at a stage where we are reducing access routes for hospital staff rather than simply installing some sufficient paving?? We can install traffic cameras though??
You can see the road on Google Maps, it's not necessary to use that road to access the hospital. It looks like a narrow formerly-rural road with sharp bends and blind bridges, used as a rat-run to shortcut using the B4380 or A5. Given the width and speed you'd need to drive it safely, it probably doesn't save any actual time, but people think it does.“walking and cycling to and from residential areas to access employment, including the Royal Shrewsbury Hospital”
As it reads as though they have shut a road to traffic that accesses a hospital
One of many no doubt but are we really at a stage where we are reducing access routes for hospital staff rather than simply installing some sufficient paving?? We can install traffic cameras though??
menousername said:
Anyone familiar with the area able to clarify this -
“walking and cycling to and from residential areas to access employment, including the Royal Shrewsbury Hospital”
As it reads as though they have shut a road to traffic that accesses a hospital
One of many no doubt but are we really at a stage where we are reducing access routes for hospital staff rather than simply installing some sufficient paving?? We can install traffic cameras though??
Will we see ambulances dropping and running stretchers through the streets or is a fast moving heavy vehicle considered safe“walking and cycling to and from residential areas to access employment, including the Royal Shrewsbury Hospital”
As it reads as though they have shut a road to traffic that accesses a hospital
One of many no doubt but are we really at a stage where we are reducing access routes for hospital staff rather than simply installing some sufficient paving?? We can install traffic cameras though??
Louis Balfour said:
You can probably expect that not to reopen. Local authority "consultations" generally equate to a decision having been made already. It's a sop to give the impression that the general public has some choice in the matter.
Yes.That is indeed how public body consolations work:
They run a consolation - if the replies agree with the proposal then they say "There we are, the public agree with us".
But if the result does not go their way, then they say "The public are too stupid to understand. Therefore, we will do it anyway".
Or, they word the question in such a way as to get the result they want : "Do you agree we should close this road ? Please bear in mind if you don't agree that means agree to babies being murdered on the road".
Gareth79 said:
menousername said:
Anyone familiar with the area able to clarify this -
“walking and cycling to and from residential areas to access employment, including the Royal Shrewsbury Hospital”
As it reads as though they have shut a road to traffic that accesses a hospital
One of many no doubt but are we really at a stage where we are reducing access routes for hospital staff rather than simply installing some sufficient paving?? We can install traffic cameras though??
You can see the road on Google Maps, it's not necessary to use that road to access the hospital. It looks like a narrow formerly-rural road with sharp bends and blind bridges, used as a rat-run to shortcut using the B4380 or A5. Given the width and speed you'd need to drive it safely, it probably doesn't save any actual time, but people think it does.“walking and cycling to and from residential areas to access employment, including the Royal Shrewsbury Hospital”
As it reads as though they have shut a road to traffic that accesses a hospital
One of many no doubt but are we really at a stage where we are reducing access routes for hospital staff rather than simply installing some sufficient paving?? We can install traffic cameras though??
Thing with hospitals though is their staff come from all directions and often at the same time.
I’ve known hospital workers take “short cuts” on huge 10 mile rural looping routes because it saves them 20 / 30 mins traffic compared to going more direct
Maybe this is the right thing to do, cannot say not being local, but that jumped out at me
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