RE: Mercedes E320 (W210) | Shed of the Week
RE: Mercedes E320 (W210) | Shed of the Week
Friday 1st April 2022

Mercedes E320 (W210) | Shed of the Week

The W210 may not be loved like its W124 predecessor, but that does keep 'em cheap...



What, in your opinion, is an 'old git' motor? Many will be shouting 'Jaguar XJ', 'Lexus LS400', 'Honda Jazz', or 'anything with a Rover badge on it', but for some readers the answer to this question will always be 'W210 Mercedes'.

In production from 1995 to 2002, or 2003 for the estate version, the W210 E Class was Mercedes' much anticipated successor to the W124. Although the W210 benefitted from both lightness and a more advanced safety design, the much anticipation part of the deal turned into much aggravation for many serial Mercedes buyers who, previous to getting a W210, had staunchly believed that the sort of corrosion and electrical difficulties they were suddenly noticing were exclusive to lesser vehicles, ie anything not wearing the three-pointed star.

This bad seed sowed by turn-of-the-century Benzes grew into the automotive equivalent of knotweed for the company. Nobody can say with any certainty exactly how many diehard customers were permanently lost by the unbecoming ghastliness of prematurely rotting metal and, compounding that, by the firm's short-sightedly meanspirited response to complaints, but it would have been a lot.

The 2000-on facelift W210s were improved across the board and the steels used for the W211 successor were properly galvanised from the third quarter of 2003, but the 'Chrysler effect' of the 1998 merger with Daimler-Benz brewed up a nasty stench of reputational damage that still lingers on like a silent eggy one more than twenty years later.


Shame really, because any unbiased driver climbing behind our shed's binlid-sized steering wheel would almost certainly be agreeably surprised by the refinement and comfort on offer, especially if they came into it having only experienced the corrugated tin roof ride that we are required to tolerate in most modern cars.

For 1998 model year E320s like our Shed, the old M104 3.0 straight-six made way for Mercedes' first V6, the M112 18-valve 3.2. Some preferred, and indeed still prefer, the creamy smoothness of the inline-six to the burble of the V6, but it was hard to argue against official numbers insisting that the newer engine was a superior unit. Its torque band was wider than the i6's with 232lb ft between 3,000 and 4,800rpm. There was also 221hp at 5,600rpm. In the 1,630kg saloon the result was a 0-62 time of 7.9sec, a top whack of 148mph, and 27.4mpg on the combined cycle.

The old straight six wasn't without its problems - head gasket and wiring harness to name a couple. The V6 made a mechanically pretty sound but it did bring some new issues to the party - MAF and crank position sensors to name a different couple. Like many cars, the W210 could be sensitive to good battery condition. ESP warning lights would most likely be telling you that your brake light switch had gone.

Busted window regulators were par for the course, which again is hardly exclusive to this car, but it's more often found on the rears than the fronts, making it easier to continue driving with the classic sheet o' cardboard fix if the glass refuses to rise. Instrument clusters have been known to play up. Shed recently had some of that in his beloved W124. Turned out to be a ten-second relay swap, but he doesn't know if a W210 even has that relay.


The car you're looking at here is a top-spec Avantgarde. In case you're wondering, the 'W/S' button by the gearshift gives you a choice of Winter or Standard shift modes. If you choose 'W' the car starts off in 2nd gear rather than 1st for better traction in slippery conditions, unless you have the lever set to '1' of course. Shed would have loved a button like that on his W124 because the change quality from 1st to 2nd can be whiplash-jerky on those. He'd like to block out first altogether because there would be very little real world performance difference, he would have one less gearshift flare to put up with, and there would be a considerably lower chance of scorching his trankliments with sloshed takeway coffee.

It's not easy to clock corrosion on a dark blue body photographed in shade but Shed thinks he can see a spot of it just above the front offside bumper by the wheelarch. You probably wouldn't have to poke too deeply with your crosshead screwdriver to reveal a touch of brownery on all four arches, but in general the car looks well cared for. It failed the MOT three years and 6,000 miles ago on some structural rust. If that job was done well you'd like to hope it's good for a few more years yet. The latest MOT in February was a clean pass.

A 1996 straight six W210 sold a couple of years ago for £9,500. Admitttedly it only had 3,000 miles on the clock, but £1,500 for a 130k-miler doesn't seem so bad against that. Sometimes git is good.


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Filibuster

Original Poster:

3,407 posts

246 months

Friday 1st April 2022
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This looks rather nice indeed! Good ad, good colour combination, Avantgarde spec is the one to have, really rather nice!

Although as an owner of a M104 320 i6 owner, I have to empathise the turbine like smoothness and the lovely sound, which alone makes it the better engine than the V6 successor!

The Mad Monk

11,574 posts

148 months

Friday 1st April 2022
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I had a 2001 estate version. sold it with 215.000 miles on it.

Where is it now? Don't know, but it's not taxed or insured and the MOT has expired, what does that say? Parked in a hedge somewhere?

humphra

636 posts

123 months

Friday 1st April 2022
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Nice shed! MOT history looks clear as well since the rust treatment was done back in 2019, plenty of photos and I like that 3.2 v6 engine. If I wanted a large luxury car, I'd be getting myself down there quickly to see if it checked out in the flesh.

SteveTTT

125 posts

167 months

Friday 1st April 2022
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I always thought these were good looking motors, especially the estate version. I remember being driven very swiftly in my bosses 320d and was astounded by the torqey acceleration. Good shed if you take your magnet when inspecting it (and have a mate who is a Merc specialist, like I have).

ducnick

2,290 posts

274 months

Friday 1st April 2022
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I remember back 20-25 ish yrs ago one of the senior managers at a place I worked had one of these in this blue. Even back then the front arches were showing visible signs of rust on the outside, and it visited the dealer as often as it visited the office car park.
I would personally never touch a Merc of this era when you could opt for a Lexus.

x5tuu

12,792 posts

218 months

Friday 1st April 2022
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Time has not been kind to this design - I would struggle to muster £150 for this, never mind £1500

The spinner of plates

18,084 posts

231 months

Friday 1st April 2022
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Sits in no man’s land for me.

The 124 has that old but solid merc-ness still intact.
The later 211 now cheap enough and the better car.

Plus the 210 was ugly / ungainly in most specs, particularly the hearse estate.

griffdude

1,937 posts

279 months

Friday 1st April 2022
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A friend of mine had one of these, he had a few chip shops & it was very economical.

yme402

670 posts

133 months

Friday 1st April 2022
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A money pit.
Why would you, when for similar money it nearest competitor produced at the same time was the BMW e39, and that is arguably one if the best cars BMW ever built?

AC43

13,715 posts

239 months

Friday 1st April 2022
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Back in the mid 90's when I was in my mid 30's and charging around in a rice rocket, I couldn't believe it when a mate of mine chopped his 3 Series in for an E Class. I took the piss remorselessly for a very long time. I just couldn't believe that he was driving around in something I thought was much more suited to his dad.

These days, I'm completely won over by the concept of the E Class as a serene way to carry me and the family huge distances in serene comfort.

Having said that, the only 210 that really appeals to me is the E55. Odd headlights aside, it looks great and is a proper bahnstormer.


alabbasi

3,248 posts

118 months

Friday 1st April 2022
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I've owned a W210 continuously since about 2004. First a 1997 E420 that I put about 150,000 miles on, then I bought an 02 E55 that I ran from about 2012 to 2019 when it was T boned. I now have a slightly ropey 2000 E55 as a backup daily driver to my 05 E320 CDI.

In my opinion, and as someone who's owned maybe 200 Mercedes Benz in the last 20 years. The W210 is about the oldest and the newest Mercedes that I would want to drive daily. I've daily driven W126 and had a W124 wagon. They'll nickel and dime you every week with annoying things that go wrong. That's acceptable for a hobby car but not as a daily driver that you just want to drive. I ran a 2005 S55 AMG and while it was glorious in many ways. The Nickels and Dimes became Benjamin’s, with ABC issues. They’ve become too complicated to run as an old shed.

The E55 by comparison is easy to live with. Toyota levels of reliability, amazing performance and good fuel economy (I used to get 21-24mp(US)g from my E55). It’s easy to work on and performs great.

I hear a lot about the downgrade in quality but as someone who’s owned just about every Mercedes Benz made between 1968 and 2006. I feel that the quality in these cars is very good, but different. They were a complete departure to how Mercedes Benz built cars before them, adopting newer technology and lighter materials. I never see them leak oil, everything is screwed together well. The dashes remain crack free, as does the leather and wood. The A/C blows and everything just works all the time. They felt lighter because they were lighter but they were also stiffer and got about 30% better fuel economy.

I feel like the E320 CDI is a downgrade in terms of fit and finish. The ash tray flips open like it’s about to launch itself into outer space and the inside of the door handles and the base of the center console are cheap hard plastics. It’s funny. I currently own a W109 6.3, W113, several R107’s, W116 6.9, 560SEC, C215 CL65 and others, but W210 and my W114 280CE might be my two favorite Mercedes Benz.





Edited by alabbasi on Friday 1st April 08:09

Billy_Whizzzz

2,674 posts

174 months

Friday 1st April 2022
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Rusts faster than a 1970s Lancia, and ugly as sin. Not with anyone’s barge pole.

Triumph Man

9,652 posts

199 months

Friday 1st April 2022
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alabbasi said:
I've owned a W210 continuously since about 2004. First a 1997 E420 that I put about 150,000 miles on, then I bought an 02 E55 that I ran from about 2012 to 2019 when it was T boned. I now have a slightly ropey 2000 E55 as a backup daily driver to my 05 E320 CDI.

In my opinion, and as someone who's owned maybe 200 Mercedes Benz in the last 20 years. The W210 is about the oldest and the newest Mercedes that I would want to drive daily. I've daily driven W126 and had a W124 wagon. They'll nickel and dime you every week with annoying things that go wrong. That's acceptable for a hobby car but not as a daily driver that you just want to drive. I ran a 2005 S55 AMG and while it was glorious in many ways. The Nickels and Dimes became Benjamin’s, with ABC issues. They’ve become too complicated to run as an old shed.

The E55 by comparison is easy to live with. Toyota levels of reliability, amazing performance and good fuel economy (I used to get 21-24mp(US)g from my E55). It’s easy to work on and performs great.

I hear a lot about the downgrade in quality but as someone who’s owned just about every Mercedes Benz made between 1968 and 2006. I feel that the quality in these cars is very good, but different. They were a complete departure to how Mercedes Benz built cars before them, adopting newer technology and lighter materials. I never see them leak oil, everything is screwed together well. The dashes remain crack free, as does the leather and wood. The A/C blows and everything just works all the time. They felt lighter because they were lighter but they were also stiffer and got about 30% better fuel economy.

I feel like the E320 CDI is a downgrade in terms of fit and finish. The ash tray flips open like it’s about to launch itself into outer space and the inside of the door handles and the base of the center console are cheap hard plastics. It’s funny. I currently own a W109 6.3, W113, several R107’s, W116 6.9, 560SEC, C215 CL65 and others, but W210 and my W114 280CE might be my two favorite Mercedes Benz.





Edited by alabbasi on Friday 1st April 08:09
It's always interesting, and informative, to get the viewpoint of someone whose owned the model of car in question, and can give an honest opinion, and a good comparison. The only thing I would say that most people's problems over here stem from rust - which I can imagine is not so much of a problem in Texas!

soad

34,751 posts

207 months

Friday 1st April 2022
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Billy_Whizzzz said:
Rusts faster than a 1970s Lancia, and ugly as sin. Not with anyone’s barge pole.
Have to agree.

Numeric

1,499 posts

182 months

Friday 1st April 2022
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I hated the looks, but I felt they drove very well and were also huge.

What shocked was the rust issues - young cars with blisters were a shock, but they seemed much better screwed together than the c-class of the era.

I think this one where you say is it a good one, some will be and should give great service and those that are not will be horribly obvious. If I needed a big car I rather think I might!

As the article states, this period of Mercedes caused some to leave the brand and I was one, we had Mercedes in the family for decades and I was happy with the 190E, but what followed pushed me into the arms of BMW and I never returned. Sure not all BMW are perfect, but Merc just seemed almost contemptuous of its customers - it doesn't matter what rubbish we knock out the numties will buy it with a star on the front! For me the gap between first gen X5 and ML summed up the difference.

Edited by Numeric on Friday 1st April 08:34

alabbasi

3,248 posts

118 months

Friday 1st April 2022
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Triumph Man said:
It's always interesting, and informative, to get the viewpoint of someone whose owned the model of car in question, and can give an honest opinion, and a good comparison. The only thing I would say that most people's problems over here stem from rust - which I can imagine is not so much of a problem in Texas!
Yep, the earlier cars suffered rust prone climates because Mercedes Benz used water based paint and did not seal the metal properly. You can get under a 20 year old E class in Texas, the exhaust and every bolt , caliper etc under the car looks brand spanking new. It's a non issue here.

cerb4.5lee

45,273 posts

211 months

Friday 1st April 2022
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I will always remember driving my bosses E200 version of this back in around 1996. It is still easily one of the worst cars that I've ever driven. It was heavy/slow and very boaty to drive, it also only had cloth seats. I couldn't wait to get back into the 2.9 V6 Sierra XR4x4 that I had at the time in comparison.

However this model does seem to be much more up my street though, with it having leather seats/a better spec and a bit more punch from the engine.

Driveline Shunt

944 posts

173 months

Friday 1st April 2022
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The Mad Monk said:
I had a 2001 estate version. sold it with 215.000 miles on it.

Where is it now? Don't know, but it's not taxed or insured and the MOT has expired, what does that say? Parked in a hedge somewhere?
Quite probably turned its last wheel on a short oval, they're the go to choice in unlimited bangers.

Given the current financial insanity £1500 seems reasonable for this, subject to inspection of course.

KillerHERTZ

1,129 posts

229 months

Friday 1st April 2022
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Numeric said:
and were also huge.
The W205 C-Class is the same size as a W210 now.

aaron_2000

5,407 posts

114 months

Friday 1st April 2022
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I've been hunting for a W210 E320cdi estate, probably the best diesel engine I've ever run