RE: Toyota Celica T Sport 190 | Spotted
RE: Toyota Celica T Sport 190 | Spotted
Wednesday 6th April 2022

Toyota Celica T Sport 190 | Spotted

For little more than a GR86 finance deposit, how about an 8,000rpm Celica?



Another day, another fast Toyota on PH. It'll halt soon, promise, but it's been a while since there's been so much excitement around any brand. Leave alone one with Toyota's reputation. With Corolla in the US, Yaris still going gangbusters in the UK and the GR86 now on sale for a bit less than anticipated, there's a lot to be excited by. And that's without mentioning the Supra; maybe not quite as revered, but still a cool sports car to have in the range.

People will tell you the excitement around GR is partly thanks to waiting so long for them, that the glory days of fast Toyotas are so far in the past that prolonged absence has made the heart grow considerably fonder. Partly they're right, as the Supra had been gone for ages before the A90 arrived, and the GT-Four Celica was ancient history by the time the GR Yaris turned up. However, there have been great Toyotas between then and now. Both Mk3 MR2 and Mk7 Celica were launched around the turn of the century and available to the mid-2000s; with so many icons from Toyota (and the other Japanese manufacturers) now worth so much, the MR2 and Celica look an affordable way into some modern classic fun.

This T-Sport was the flagship Celica, using the 190hp 2ZZ engine that more famously saw service in the middle of Lotuses. If its impact was softened somewhat in the heavier Toyota, the 1.8-litre VVTI-L engine still made for a memorable drive: 60mph came up in seven seconds, the top speed was 140mph, and the redline was 8,000rpm. Even at a good time for affordable coupes, from TT to GTV, that made the Celica interesting, especially when allied to a half decent chassis as well. That not many VVTi-L cars seem to be out there probably owes something to all the coupes available at time, and the fact that the Celica look was available with the lesser 1.8; there isn't a great deal to tell this apart from a much less interesting Toyota coupe. Which might also be why those crazy special editions emerged at the end. Look in the murkier parts of the internet and you'll even find MR2s - only offered with the 140hp engine - fitted with the 2ZZ, sort of like a Japanese Elise. Which is probably a right hoot.



It's just a Celica here, however, albeit one that's avoided any modification (assuming the exhaust was always that big) over the years and accrued just over 40,000 miles in that time. There's inevitably some rust mentioned in the MOT history, but that's largely to be expected - it hasn't cropped up on the test report for a while now. Worth keeping an eye on, though.

Otherwise, it all looks pretty encouraging, the paintwork without any issue and the interior turned out especially nicely for its age; two-tone grey isn't exactly racy, but there are no rips in the leather or even significant wear to draw attention to. As always, there's only so much to tell from the pics, however this one really does like a low-mile minter.

And it's yours for £6k before any haggling. Yes, more than Celica T Sports once cost, even recently; along with the MR2s, there was only so long that fun-to-drive, good-looking Toyota sports cars could stay so cheap. A new Toyota coupe doesn't look likely to make them any more affordable. It still doesn't look much in the grand scheme of things, with a comparable TT currently available for twice as much money. And this Toyota won't have to be returned at the end of the PCP, either...


SPECIFICATION | TOYOTA CELICA T SPORT

Engine: 1,796cc, four-cyl
Transmission: 6-speed manual, front-wheel drive
Power (hp): 190@7,800rpm
Torque (lb ft): 133@6,800rpm
CO2: 200g/km
MPG: 33.6
Year registered: 2003
Recorded mileage: 42,000
Price new: £22,595 (Celica GT, 2005)
Yours for: £5,995

See the original advert here




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dunnoreally

Original Poster:

1,356 posts

139 months

Wednesday 6th April 2022
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Another shed from a few years back now "not looking like bad value in today's market". And in all honesty it genuinely doesn't, compared with other stuff for the money today.

But still, if you're 20 and have been working a couple of years in some entry-level job, and want to swap your sister's old Aygo out for something a bit more interesting, what can you even get nowadays?

I feel like a bulk of people on this site already have something nice and so can happily sit back while it accrues value, but I still just feel bad about the growing loss of accessibility. We're ushering in a generation for whom having any kind of fun road car just isn't justifiable, and that's going to make the whole hobby poorer in the long run.

s m

24,494 posts

234 months

Wednesday 6th April 2022
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Post title says Corolla but car a Celica???

I remember the Lotus chassis/testing guy being quite impressed by these ages back

redroadster

1,886 posts

263 months

Wednesday 6th April 2022
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I had one as a cheap car couple of years ago and took a gt86 out for a test drive even though that car felt stiffer and tighter it's engine was not as good and neither was it as practical, celica huge boot with seat down swallowed my mountain bike.

Turbobanana

8,560 posts

232 months

Wednesday 6th April 2022
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s m said:
Post title says Corolla but car a Celica???
biggrin

s m

24,494 posts

234 months

Wednesday 6th April 2022
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Turbobanana said:
s m said:
Post title says Corolla but car a Celica???
biggrin
They don’t often do a Spotted on a Sport M version I’ve noticed

The extra special bits like the LSD etc seem to add extra appeal

SteveStrange

7,882 posts

244 months

Wednesday 6th April 2022
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Turbobanana said:
s m said:
Post title says Corolla but car a Celica???
biggrin
They alll look the same to me! jester

s m

24,494 posts

234 months

Wednesday 6th April 2022
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SteveStrange said:
Turbobanana said:
s m said:
Post title says Corolla but car a Celica???
biggrin
They alll look the same to me! jester
Have you had the Corona virus? hehe

wpa1975

14,853 posts

145 months

Wednesday 6th April 2022
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Seems crazy to me that only a few years ago my mate had one of these and struggled to sell if for shed money, now it is £6k

zsdom

1,847 posts

151 months

Wednesday 6th April 2022
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How much?!

C.A.R.

3,993 posts

219 months

Wednesday 6th April 2022
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Loved mine. Just not practical for child seats as the rear bench is deeply sculpted!

Travelled all the way to the Isle of Wight for this spec - Aero kit, pre-facelift with the 6-spoke wheels:




sjabrown

2,093 posts

191 months

Wednesday 6th April 2022
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£6k does seem an awful lot for one that isn't minty fresh.

flukey5

406 posts

91 months

Wednesday 6th April 2022
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I have 2 friends with 2ZZ swapped MR-2s. They've done the swap about 5 times now. With the power to weight ratio its seriously rapid. Honestly it's a fairly good platform, probably much better than the Celica as an out-and-out sports car, could even add a supercharger as per the elise. The engines are tough if you don't let them eat their own catalytic converters.

It's a good elise alternative if you're up for something that's a bit more mass produced.





Edited by flukey5 on Wednesday 6th April 14:28

pb8g09

3,295 posts

100 months

Wednesday 6th April 2022
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Sorry, I know it's low mileage but I was looking at these around the £2-3k mark not long back.

It's no wonder so many youngsters are turning to leasing/PCP when they have to pay this sort of price for something warm at best and still need to bring an expert along to check it isn't a lemon.

Turbobanana

8,560 posts

232 months

Wednesday 6th April 2022
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s m said:
Post title says Corolla but car a Celica???

I remember the Lotus chassis/testing guy being quite impressed by these ages back
It's funny, isn't it: s m spotted the typo at 12:46. Nearly 3 hours later it still hasn't been corrected. Would never have happened in the old days etc. Perhaps we should make them a spotter's guide to common cars. Or find an I-Spy Book.

PistonHeads: Incorrect headlines (don't) matter.

66HFM

883 posts

56 months

Wednesday 6th April 2022
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We've been making do with just the one car at the moment as I'm now 100% working from home, I'm still struggling to get my head round only having one car...
This is just the sort of car I look at but definitely not at £6k, I appreciate its low mileage but ouch!
There was definitely one as SOTW if not last year the year before, although it may only have been a 140.

My FIL had a mint Red Edition 140, which I had my eye on, until he part exed it without telling me against a gold Volvo C30... don't ask...

I would love a go in an MR2 with this engine in though

leef44

5,220 posts

184 months

Wednesday 6th April 2022
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s m said:
SteveStrange said:
Turbobanana said:
s m said:
Post title says Corolla but car a Celica???
biggrin
They alll look the same to me! jester
Have you had the Corona virus? hehe
Well they do say it affects your taste biggrin

cerb4.5lee

45,264 posts

211 months

Wednesday 6th April 2022
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I do quite like this with the leather seats. They have definitely shot up in value though, and I remember browsing them a few years back and they were dirt cheap then.

I love the idea of this, but I do wonder if I'd have my usual moan about it having hardly any torque though!

pb8g09

3,295 posts

100 months

Wednesday 6th April 2022
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66HFM said:
We've been making do with just the one car at the moment as I'm now 100% working from home, I'm still struggling to get my head round only having one car...
This is just the sort of car I look at but definitely not at £6k, I appreciate its low mileage but ouch!
There was definitely one as SOTW if not last year the year before, although it may only have been a 140.

My FIL had a mint Red Edition 140, which I had my eye on, until he part exed it without telling me against a gold Volvo C30... don't ask...

I would love a go in an MR2 with this engine in though
No shame in the C30 if it was the 2.5!

TameRacingDriver

20,638 posts

303 months

Wednesday 6th April 2022
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flukey5 said:
I have 2 friends with 2ZZ swapped MR-2s. They've done the swap about 5 times now. With the power to weight ratio its seriously rapid. Honestly it's a fairly good platform, probably much better than the Celica as an out-and-out sports car, could even add a supercharger as per the elise. The engines are tough if you don't let them eat their own catalytic converters.

It's a good elise alternative if you're up for something that's a bit more mass produced.



I'd honestly have a hard time choosing between a 2ZZ MR2 and a base Elise if they were the same price, but the fact it would be about a third of the price makes it rather easier.

wolfie28

1,153 posts

175 months

Wednesday 6th April 2022
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I'm in to my Japanese motors but these never did it for me. Prefer the previous Celica models.