Door mirror black 'joystick' on 97 Chim

[Mutley00]

Mine doesn't move the mirrors in and out on either side (up and down is fine), so I want to remove it and clean the contacts.

Does anyone know if you can just prise the joystick up and out of the door card or is it secured from underneath, as I don't want to break it as they are no longer available.

Thanks, Andrew

[geordiepingu]

If I rightly remember there is a round black cap that unscrews just beneath the joystick on the top side. Probably easier to unscrew it from the door card if I'm honest, but fortune favors the brave!

[phillpot]

It's door card off to remove switch, pull the pyramid knob off and you'll see the retaining nut.
Switch is held together by two little things bit like these . . . .

[Mutley00]

Combination of both thanks chaps! You take off the 'pyramid' top of the joystick, unscrew the black plastic ring then you can pull the switch out from under the bottom of the door card. The bad news is, that after taking it apart and cleaning it up still no joy!

When you operate 'up and down' there is a click from what I assume is a control box/relay? in the door near the hinge jamb, but when trying 'in and out', there is no click.

Any more clues? Thanks for your advice so far. Cheers, Andrew

[MikeE]

Mutley00 said:

Combination of both thanks chaps! You take off the 'pyramid' top of the joystick, unscrew the black plastic ring then you can pull the switch out from under the bottom of the door card. The bad news is, that after taking it apart and cleaning it up still no joy!

When you operate 'up and down' there is a click from what I assume is a control box/relay? in the door near the hinge jamb, but when trying 'in and out', there is no click.

Any more clues? Thanks for your advice so far. Cheers, Andrew

try cleaning the switch which determines which mirror you are controlling too as that could be at fault

[phillpot]

Relay may be clicking but not making contact, try a new relay not expensive.

[Polly Grigora]

Mutley00 said:

When you operate 'up and down' there is a click from what I assume is a control box/relay? in the door near the hinge jamb, but when trying 'in and out', there is no click.

Any more clues?

This tells us that the relay operation is working correctly as it is switching over from side to side operation to up and down

Relay used for doing the switching isn't a standard relay, a change-over relay is used for the mirror circuit

Relay will very likely be Type B



You could disconnect the relay and join the cable that connects to its terminal 30 to the cable that connects to its terminal 87a to test if the side to side operation then works


As can be seen, the mirror switching goes through the relay and onwards through the change-over switch to the mirror motors

Top motors are for vertical movement bottom are for horizontal

Edited by Polly Grigora on Friday 8th April 15:07

[David Beer]

Polly Grigora said:

This tells us that the relay operation is working correctly as it is switching over from side to side operation to up and down

Relay used for doing the switching isn't a standard relay, a change-over relay is used for the mirror circuit

Relay will very likely be Type B



You could disconnect the relay and join the cable that connects to its terminal 30 to the cable that connects to its terminal 87a to test if the side to side operation then works


As can be seen, the mirror switching goes through the relay and onwards through the change-over switch to the mirror motors

Top motors are for vertical movement bottom are for horizontal

Edited by Polly Grigora on Friday 8th April 15:07

Polly, has penny spent one 2 many, hence the name change ! How many buses can you see in this pic ? 🚎

[Mutley00]

MikeE said:

try cleaning the switch which determines which mirror you are controlling too as that could be at fault

Tried that Mike and now I've lost all movement in the mirrors - aargh! Thanks for your comprehensive reply Polly, but I think that's way beyond my limited electrical capabilities.

In the meantime, to cool off and regain my sanity, I've just adjusted the mirrors of my Elise with a 'handgrab' and wound the windows up and down with the soft fleshy bit between forefinger and thumb.

[Polly Grigora]

Mutley00 said:

Thanks for your comprehensive reply Polly, but I think that's way beyond my limited electrical capabilities.

Ok then

Unfortunately have written it keeping the explanation as simple as possible, appreciate that mirror circuits are complicated

Hope you get it sorted

Elise therapy comes across as good

[Mutley00]

Could I swap any wires over on the flip switch to see if that gives me left and right movement (although presumably I would then loose up and down movement). Then that would isolate the problem as being with the joystick.

[Polly Grigora]

Mutley00 said:

Could I swap any wires over on the flip switch to see if that gives me left and right movement (although presumably I would then loose up and down movement). Then that would isolate the problem as being with the joystick.

Yes you could but doing that might not prove much apart from the mirror motors work or not

There's no point in time being spent explaining what to swap to where until it's known whether the colour of the cables shown on the above diagram match the colours of your car

Does your change-over switch have the following colours connected to it?

Slate

Red/Blue

Light Green

Green/Red

White/Brown

Brown

[Mutley00]

[Polly Grigora]

Ok then


Slate (Grey - Same as)

Red/Blue

Light Green

Green/Red (Might be Green on your car, can't see a Red Trace)

White/Brown

Brown (Diagram Should Read Brown/Black For Your Car)

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Disconnect Grey and leave it disconnected

Disconnect Red/Blue and leave it disconnected

Disconnect Green/Red (Might be Green on your car, can't see a Red Trace)

Disconnect Light Green

Connect Green/Red to the terminal that Red/Blue was connected to

Connect Light Green to the terminal that Grey was connected to

Move joystick to up position and then down position

One of the mirrors should have moved left and then right or right and then left when moving the joystick up and then down

Switch over the LH/RH mirrors change-over switch and repeat the above joystick operation, the other mirror should now be operating left and then right or right and then left

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Post back result

[Mutley00]

No joy I'm afraid Polly. No movement from the mirrors at all. Luckily a good friend is Sheffield's best Car Sparky, so its off to him next as he loves tinkering with old cars. Thanks for all your comprehensive suggestions.

phillpot said:

Relay may be clicking but not making contact, try a new relay not expensive.

Where is the relay situated Mike? I can hear clicking but cant work out/see if its in the door or in the wing.

Sods law - the relay and changeover switch are available new, but the joystick (where I suspect the fault lies) isn't

[Polly Grigora]

Mutley00 said:

Thanks for all your comprehensive suggestions

You're welcome

Mutley00 said:

No joy I'm afraid Polly. No movement from the mirrors at all

Much joy, the result is sweet music to my ears....

We know that the joystick is working for the up and down movement of both mirrors

We know that by connecting the horizontal operation motors wiring to the up and down action part of the circuit they should have worked yet they didn't

Both horizontal mirror motors or the wiring from the change-over switch to them have failed

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None of the above suggests for one moment that everything else in the mirror circuit is functioning correctly

But

Until the horizontal mirror motors are working when swapping over the cables as posted above there is no other testing that can be carried out

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Anyway, hope you get it sorted

[phillpot]

Mutley00 said:

Where is the relay situated Mike?

In the door

Mutley00 said:

Sods law - the relay and changeover switch are available new, but the joystick (where I suspect the fault lies) isn't

https://www.sjsportscars.com/parts-and-accessories/A089M6042F.htm

[Mutley00]

phillpot said:

https://www.sjsportscars.com/parts-and-accessories...

Cheers Mike. Well blow me - I've got an account at SJ from my Esprit ownership days!! Be nice to talk to Steve again.

[Mutley00]

My Sparky friend is booked up for ages Polly.

I've got a spare car battery, is it possible to use direct earth and live feeds from my spare into the wires from the flick switch, to check if the motors are working?

To confirm the coloured wires I've got are:

Red & blue
Light green
Brown & white
Grey
Brown & black
Brown & Dk green

Thanks again, Andrew

[Mutley00]

are you out there Polly ?