HMRC chasing plugin owners?
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Not sure which area this would go but hopefully maybe someone will have heard of this.
If you have a company car and its a plug in hybrid, is there a requirement written anywhere to specify how often that vehicle must be charged to ensure you pay the reduced BIK as if you dont charge it your just driving around in an automatic petrol vehicle.
Ive checked everywhere I can and could not find any information on it.
Is it just something they have not got around to looking at yet?
If you have a company car and its a plug in hybrid, is there a requirement written anywhere to specify how often that vehicle must be charged to ensure you pay the reduced BIK as if you dont charge it your just driving around in an automatic petrol vehicle.
Ive checked everywhere I can and could not find any information on it.
Is it just something they have not got around to looking at yet?
You are still driving around in a Hybrid whether you use the main engine / electrics / push it off a cliff and free-fall to your destination.
There is no technology in place for HMRC to track how often the car chooses to use electric or fuel for its journey, nor is there any way of measuring or judging based on how often it is plugged in - you could plug it in every night but never drive on the electric motors - if the battery is always full it will never top up!
I would guess a total red herring and irrelevant - you get BIK based on the car it is not how you use it
There is no technology in place for HMRC to track how often the car chooses to use electric or fuel for its journey, nor is there any way of measuring or judging based on how often it is plugged in - you could plug it in every night but never drive on the electric motors - if the battery is always full it will never top up!
I would guess a total red herring and irrelevant - you get BIK based on the car it is not how you use it
akirk said:
You are still driving around in a Hybrid whether you use the main engine / electrics / push it off a cliff and free-fall to your destination.
There is no technology in place for HMRC to track how often the car chooses to use electric or fuel for its journey, nor is there any way of measuring or judging based on how often it is plugged in - you could plug it in every night but never drive on the electric motors - if the battery is always full it will never top up!
I would guess a total red herring and irrelevant - you get BIK based on the car it is not how you use it
Work is asking us to start charging it at home, use a meter(plugs into your 13amp socket to monitor the KWH its taken and then put it on expenses, im guessing they want to have a record of proof its being charged incase HMRC come calling again(big billion pound international company)There is no technology in place for HMRC to track how often the car chooses to use electric or fuel for its journey, nor is there any way of measuring or judging based on how often it is plugged in - you could plug it in every night but never drive on the electric motors - if the battery is always full it will never top up!
I would guess a total red herring and irrelevant - you get BIK based on the car it is not how you use it
turbotoaster said:
akirk said:
You are still driving around in a Hybrid whether you use the main engine / electrics / push it off a cliff and free-fall to your destination.
There is no technology in place for HMRC to track how often the car chooses to use electric or fuel for its journey, nor is there any way of measuring or judging based on how often it is plugged in - you could plug it in every night but never drive on the electric motors - if the battery is always full it will never top up!
I would guess a total red herring and irrelevant - you get BIK based on the car it is not how you use it
Work is asking us to start charging it at home, use a meter(plugs into your 13amp socket to monitor the KWH its taken and then put it on expenses, im guessing they want to have a record of proof its being charged incase HMRC come calling again(big billion pound international company)There is no technology in place for HMRC to track how often the car chooses to use electric or fuel for its journey, nor is there any way of measuring or judging based on how often it is plugged in - you could plug it in every night but never drive on the electric motors - if the battery is always full it will never top up!
I would guess a total red herring and irrelevant - you get BIK based on the car it is not how you use it
As I understand it - BIK is based on the model of car you buy - not how you use it, it is not linked to mileage or type of fuel you put in a car (e5 v e10?) or anything else - it is a simple theoretical exercise - you buy xyz car from this company - BIK is xxx Until HMRC / Government change that then anything your company id doing must be for a different purpose - or someone bored and overly-bureaucratic!
akirk said:
Is that not to pay your fuel / mileage or something like that? I would ask them why...
As I understand it - BIK is based on the model of car you buy - not how you use it, it is not linked to mileage or type of fuel you put in a car (e5 v e10?) or anything else - it is a simple theoretical exercise - you buy xyz car from this company - BIK is xxx Until HMRC / Government change that then anything your company id doing must be for a different purpose - or someone bored and overly-bureaucratic!
I only chose this car because of the low BIK compared to having a diesel before, BIK is normally calculated on CO2, Mpg and value I assume, so if my CO2 is much higher and MPG worse because im not using the vehicle as the taxman assumed then they are worried when they have HMRC in they will try and charge me.As I understand it - BIK is based on the model of car you buy - not how you use it, it is not linked to mileage or type of fuel you put in a car (e5 v e10?) or anything else - it is a simple theoretical exercise - you buy xyz car from this company - BIK is xxx Until HMRC / Government change that then anything your company id doing must be for a different purpose - or someone bored and overly-bureaucratic!
Im against doing it and have spent time trying to find anything on HMRC with even a small mention of this but couldnt find anything, personally unless they have something in writing then I cant see them being able to do it, but wanted to check incase I just havent looked in the right place.
stumpage said:
With PHEVs the only practical way to claim your business fuel is pence per mile. So you would be off your nut not to plug it in as much as possible to get the best MPG.
I have a fuel card, so just pay 11p per mile for private mileage, the business mileage i dont pay anything forstumpage said:
With PHEVs the only practical way to claim your business fuel is pence per mile. So you would be off your nut not to plug it in as much as possible to get the best MPG.
Until your employer's expenses & accounting systems & bean counters require receipts for the pence x miles value claimed so they can maximize their VAT recovery.turbotoaster said:
akirk said:
Is that not to pay your fuel / mileage or something like that? I would ask them why...
As I understand it - BIK is based on the model of car you buy - not how you use it, it is not linked to mileage or type of fuel you put in a car (e5 v e10?) or anything else - it is a simple theoretical exercise - you buy xyz car from this company - BIK is xxx Until HMRC / Government change that then anything your company id doing must be for a different purpose - or someone bored and overly-bureaucratic!
I only chose this car because of the low BIK compared to having a diesel before, BIK is normally calculated on CO2, Mpg and value I assume, so if my CO2 is much higher and MPG worse because im not using the vehicle as the taxman assumed then they are worried when they have HMRC in they will try and charge me.As I understand it - BIK is based on the model of car you buy - not how you use it, it is not linked to mileage or type of fuel you put in a car (e5 v e10?) or anything else - it is a simple theoretical exercise - you buy xyz car from this company - BIK is xxx Until HMRC / Government change that then anything your company id doing must be for a different purpose - or someone bored and overly-bureaucratic!
Im against doing it and have spent time trying to find anything on HMRC with even a small mention of this but couldnt find anything, personally unless they have something in writing then I cant see them being able to do it, but wanted to check incase I just havent looked in the right place.
The BIK is calculated based on the manufacturer figures - there has never been any point where HMRC have adjusted based on actual emissions - totally impossible for them to do so...
The reason why there is nothing on their website is because it is not a thing
Equally they don't tell you what they do for people who choose to wear orange socks / green trousers and pink jumpers - because they don't care and it is not a thing
If your business is asking you to record figures, then they will have a reason - VAT reclaiming on fuel bought might be one - otherwise, who knows - nothing to do with HRMC checking how often you charge your car!
akirk said:
You might be over-thinking this
The BIK is calculated based on the manufacturer figures - there has never been any point where HMRC have adjusted based on actual emissions - totally impossible for them to do so...
The reason why there is nothing on their website is because it is not a thing
Equally they don't tell you what they do for people who choose to wear orange socks / green trousers and pink jumpers - because they don't care and it is not a thing
If your business is asking you to record figures, then they will have a reason - VAT reclaiming on fuel bought might be one - otherwise, who knows - nothing to do with HRMC checking how often you charge your car!
If you're charging at work for commuting or personal travel its a taxable benefit no? Like the fuel you declare on a p11d?The BIK is calculated based on the manufacturer figures - there has never been any point where HMRC have adjusted based on actual emissions - totally impossible for them to do so...
The reason why there is nothing on their website is because it is not a thing
Equally they don't tell you what they do for people who choose to wear orange socks / green trousers and pink jumpers - because they don't care and it is not a thing
If your business is asking you to record figures, then they will have a reason - VAT reclaiming on fuel bought might be one - otherwise, who knows - nothing to do with HRMC checking how often you charge your car!
Cant Find a Charger when I need one said:
akirk said:
You might be over-thinking this
The BIK is calculated based on the manufacturer figures - there has never been any point where HMRC have adjusted based on actual emissions - totally impossible for them to do so...
The reason why there is nothing on their website is because it is not a thing
Equally they don't tell you what they do for people who choose to wear orange socks / green trousers and pink jumpers - because they don't care and it is not a thing
If your business is asking you to record figures, then they will have a reason - VAT reclaiming on fuel bought might be one - otherwise, who knows - nothing to do with HRMC checking how often you charge your car!
If you're charging at work for commuting or personal travel its a taxable benefit no? Like the fuel you declare on a p11d?The BIK is calculated based on the manufacturer figures - there has never been any point where HMRC have adjusted based on actual emissions - totally impossible for them to do so...
The reason why there is nothing on their website is because it is not a thing
Equally they don't tell you what they do for people who choose to wear orange socks / green trousers and pink jumpers - because they don't care and it is not a thing
If your business is asking you to record figures, then they will have a reason - VAT reclaiming on fuel bought might be one - otherwise, who knows - nothing to do with HRMC checking how often you charge your car!
Effectively claiming mileage from work for the electric they put in!
turbotoaster said:
stumpage said:
With PHEVs the only practical way to claim your business fuel is pence per mile. So you would be off your nut not to plug it in as much as possible to get the best MPG.
I have a fuel card, so just pay 11p per mile for private mileage, the business mileage i dont pay anything forturbotoaster said:
Not sure which area this would go but hopefully maybe someone will have heard of this.
If you have a company car and its a plug in hybrid, is there a requirement written anywhere to specify how often that vehicle must be charged to ensure you pay the reduced BIK as if you dont charge it your just driving around in an automatic petrol vehicle.
Ive checked everywhere I can and could not find any information on it.
Is it just something they have not got around to looking at yet?
There is no requirement. If you have a company car and its a plug in hybrid, is there a requirement written anywhere to specify how often that vehicle must be charged to ensure you pay the reduced BIK as if you dont charge it your just driving around in an automatic petrol vehicle.
Ive checked everywhere I can and could not find any information on it.
Is it just something they have not got around to looking at yet?
If you claim your business mileage at an agreed rate. ie 14ppm, then it would make sense for you to charge at home. As its a £benefit to you to get max mpg.
If you have a fuel card, you don't care what the mpg is. But the company may incentive you to charge at home.
However the HMRC do not care.
Edited by Mouse Rat on Thursday 14th April 17:27
Cant Find a Charger when I need one said:
How are people being taxed for the fuel benefit when charging at work?
They’re not. https://www.gov.uk/expenses-and-benefits-electric-...
An employer getting you to charge at home and then paying you for it is going to be creating a taxable benefit in kind unless it only reimbursed for the business mile proportion.
I can imagine a company doing this so they can make various statements in its annual accounts regarding sustainability. There’s going to be increasing pressure for this to happen as time goes on
I can imagine a company doing this so they can make various statements in its annual accounts regarding sustainability. There’s going to be increasing pressure for this to happen as time goes on
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