WW2 warship sinking in New York
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https://www.dailywire.com/news/historic-world-war-...
This one took a bit of figuring out as I initially thought it was at the Intreipd Museum in Long Island - but no, turns out it's actually on the other side of New York State next to the Canadian border.
Anyway, yes - historic warship suddenly starts taking on thousands of gallons of water from an as yet unidentified hull breach.
Official statements say they're now pumping out water faster than it's coming in, but the photo in the article does not look good
This one took a bit of figuring out as I initially thought it was at the Intreipd Museum in Long Island - but no, turns out it's actually on the other side of New York State next to the Canadian border.
Anyway, yes - historic warship suddenly starts taking on thousands of gallons of water from an as yet unidentified hull breach.
Official statements say they're now pumping out water faster than it's coming in, but the photo in the article does not look good
USS The Sullivans DD-537. The larger ship beside it, is USS Little Rock a light cruiser.
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.8777766,-78.880872...
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.8777766,-78.880872...
I've followed Ryan Szimanski from the Historic Naval Ships Association with the Battleship New Jersey channel on youtube for a good few years and their maintenance issues. https://www.youtube.com/c/BattleshipNewJersey/feat...
He often does videos on other ships including this one.
These old museum ships are essentially in unknown territory with complex maintenance requirements. They are all crying out for some decent funding to help preserve them with drydocking costs etc.
Both USS Texas, submarine USS Ling have also recently had real issues. I think the Ling sank sadly!
He often does videos on other ships including this one.
These old museum ships are essentially in unknown territory with complex maintenance requirements. They are all crying out for some decent funding to help preserve them with drydocking costs etc.
Both USS Texas, submarine USS Ling have also recently had real issues. I think the Ling sank sadly!
USS Texas is currently undergoing major work to get her safe to move to a dry dock for repair:
https://battleshiptexas.org/
However there is a lot of debate as to if that's even feasible now due to her condition - a huge effort over the last 3 years has stopped her getting worse, but I suspect structurally she's done for.
https://battleshiptexas.org/
However there is a lot of debate as to if that's even feasible now due to her condition - a huge effort over the last 3 years has stopped her getting worse, but I suspect structurally she's done for.
BrettMRC said:
USS Texas is currently undergoing major work to get her safe to move to a dry dock for repair:
https://battleshiptexas.org/
However there is a lot of debate as to if that's even feasible now due to her condition - a huge effort over the last 3 years has stopped her getting worse, but I suspect structurally she's done for.
I have this book on the Texas: https://www.amazon.co.uk/USS-Texas-Squadron-Sea-Ha...https://battleshiptexas.org/
However there is a lot of debate as to if that's even feasible now due to her condition - a huge effort over the last 3 years has stopped her getting worse, but I suspect structurally she's done for.
I find it surprising and disappointing, given that the US places high value on ts veterans and is not short of dollars, that such ships get into a poor state.
The Russians had a similar problem with their cruiser Aurora. They cut away the hull below the waterline and fitted new steel. Then sunk the old hull in the Baltic.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_cruiser_Auro...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_cruiser_Auro...
FourWheelDrift said:
The Russians had a similar problem with their cruiser Aurora. They cut away the hull below the waterline and fitted new steel. Then sunk the old hull in the Baltic.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_cruiser_Auro...
I'd forgotten about this little incident...! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogger_Bank_incidenthttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_cruiser_Auro...
Simpo Two said:
FourWheelDrift said:
The Russians had a similar problem with their cruiser Aurora. They cut away the hull below the waterline and fitted new steel. Then sunk the old hull in the Baltic.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_cruiser_Auro...
I'd forgotten about this little incident...! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogger_Bank_incidenthttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_cruiser_Auro...
FourWheelDrift said:
The Russians had a similar problem with their cruiser Aurora.
"n January 2013 Russian Defence Minister Sergey Shoygu announced plans to recommission Aurora and make her the flagship of the Russian Navy due to her historical and cultural importance."Next stop, the Black Sea?
Panamax said:
"n January 2013 Russian Defence Minister Sergey Shoygu announced plans to recommission Aurora and make her the flagship of the Russian Navy due to her historical and cultural importance."
Next stop, the Black Sea?
A flagship is just where the Admiral is based. During WW2 the RN flagship was for a while an MTB... and on that thought, perhaps I could rent my cruiser (sadly neither 6 nor 8 inch guns) to the RN... ?Next stop, the Black Sea?
BrettMRC said:
However there is a lot of debate as to if that's even feasible now due to her condition - a huge effort over the last 3 years has stopped her getting worse, but I suspect structurally she's done for.
There are very few docks which will fit the Texas in, they have been waiting for one to become available for at least the last 3 years, maybe even the last 5. Reality is these things were knocked out pretty quickly and not expected to last more than a few years. The Sullivans especially had an expected life measured in months, not years, and for them to still be here nearly 80 years later is quite impressive. There are no WW2 ships still in commission in the US so no Navy funding for any of them. For some reason the American's seem to prefer keeping them afloat whereas many of the UK's historic museum ships are drydocked to prevent this sort of thing happening.
Simpo Two said:
Condi said:
There are very few docks which will fit the Texas in, they have been waiting for one to become available for at least the last 3 years, maybe even the last 5.
There's no shortage of ships bigger than the Texas travelling the world. How/where do they get dry docked?Condi said:
There are very few docks which will fit the Texas in, they have been waiting for one to become available for at least the last 3 years, maybe even the last 5.
Reality is these things were knocked out pretty quickly and not expected to last more than a few years. The Sullivans especially had an expected life measured in months, not years, and for them to still be here nearly 80 years later is quite impressive. There are no WW2 ships still in commission in the US so no Navy funding for any of them. For some reason the American's seem to prefer keeping them afloat whereas many of the UK's historic museum ships are drydocked to prevent this sort of thing happening.
I know you said 'most' so I'm not picking holes. On this subject though I do wonder how HMS Belfast is getting on, I'd never considered the wear and tear aspect of a boat just sitting there...Reality is these things were knocked out pretty quickly and not expected to last more than a few years. The Sullivans especially had an expected life measured in months, not years, and for them to still be here nearly 80 years later is quite impressive. There are no WW2 ships still in commission in the US so no Navy funding for any of them. For some reason the American's seem to prefer keeping them afloat whereas many of the UK's historic museum ships are drydocked to prevent this sort of thing happening.
DodgyGeezer said:
I know you said 'most' so I'm not picking holes. On this subject though I do wonder how HMS Belfast is getting on, I'd never considered the wear and tear aspect of a boat just sitting there...
One would hope they regularly assess the condition of it.Having said that, the 2 Falklands ships that were at the Birkenhead Maritime Museum for years and years, HMS Plymouth and Onyx, both deteriorated to the point of eventually being scrapped once the museum ran into difficulty (which I gather was mostly due to council interference)
DodgyGeezer said:
Condi said:
There are very few docks which will fit the Texas in, they have been waiting for one to become available for at least the last 3 years, maybe even the last 5.
Reality is these things were knocked out pretty quickly and not expected to last more than a few years. The Sullivans especially had an expected life measured in months, not years, and for them to still be here nearly 80 years later is quite impressive. There are no WW2 ships still in commission in the US so no Navy funding for any of them. For some reason the American's seem to prefer keeping them afloat whereas many of the UK's historic museum ships are drydocked to prevent this sort of thing happening.
I know you said 'most' so I'm not picking holes. On this subject though I do wonder how HMS Belfast is getting on, I'd never considered the wear and tear aspect of a boat just sitting there...Reality is these things were knocked out pretty quickly and not expected to last more than a few years. The Sullivans especially had an expected life measured in months, not years, and for them to still be here nearly 80 years later is quite impressive. There are no WW2 ships still in commission in the US so no Navy funding for any of them. For some reason the American's seem to prefer keeping them afloat whereas many of the UK's historic museum ships are drydocked to prevent this sort of thing happening.
toastyhamster said:
HMS Belfast is doing very well. Had a corporate event on there a few years ago which included the tour. She's regularly inspected and dry docked every dozen years or so (I forget exactly) as required for preventative maintenance. Apparently the story is true that the guns are aimed at Watford Gap :-)
Nearly true, it's London Gateway Services near Watford, not Watford Gap Services which are in Northamptonshire.Edited by spitfire-ian on Friday 22 April 11:59
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