Motorway Charging and Misinformation
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I took a jolly the other day to 'top up' at one of those super-fast 350kW chargers, just because I wanted to see what they were like. I knew it wouldn't be the most cost-effective top-up before I even turned up...
However; 69p/kW! I topped-up about 33kW in under 10 minutes (would have been faster if I had pre-heated the battery...) to the grand sum of £22.87.
This is about as expensive as running a petrol car getting just 35mpg (based on £1.50 / litre)!
I get it; you pay extra for the convenience / speed, but that's a big jump.
Misinformation-
I watched the Auto Express YouTube video of the Hyundai Ioniq 5 and Steve Sutcliffe claimed that "At worst, you'll get 10 miles for every £ of electricity, if you use the fastest, most expensive chargers"
At 69p/kW your £1 would yield 1.45 kW and would assume the Ioniq 5 can do 7 miles per kW, or approximately double what the manufacturer claims.
Realistically; you'll get around 5 miles from your £1 at that rate.
I'm all for electric cars and for most users the majority of charging happens at home or at work, but this level of misinformation is terrible consumer advice.
Naturally there was a queue for the 40p/kW, 50kW charger at the opposite end of the service station car park from the 350kW chargers.
However; 69p/kW! I topped-up about 33kW in under 10 minutes (would have been faster if I had pre-heated the battery...) to the grand sum of £22.87.
This is about as expensive as running a petrol car getting just 35mpg (based on £1.50 / litre)!
I get it; you pay extra for the convenience / speed, but that's a big jump.
Misinformation-
I watched the Auto Express YouTube video of the Hyundai Ioniq 5 and Steve Sutcliffe claimed that "At worst, you'll get 10 miles for every £ of electricity, if you use the fastest, most expensive chargers"
At 69p/kW your £1 would yield 1.45 kW and would assume the Ioniq 5 can do 7 miles per kW, or approximately double what the manufacturer claims.
Realistically; you'll get around 5 miles from your £1 at that rate.
I'm all for electric cars and for most users the majority of charging happens at home or at work, but this level of misinformation is terrible consumer advice.
Naturally there was a queue for the 40p/kW, 50kW charger at the opposite end of the service station car park from the 350kW chargers.
Kind of true, Ioniq 5 buyers get a couple of years of Hyundai's premium membership which gets much cheaper rates, so it would be more like 10 miles.
Ionity is funded by the consortium of car manufacturers, who can offer their customers discounted rates or membership schemes. The 69p figure is like the rack rate for a hotel.
Ionity is funded by the consortium of car manufacturers, who can offer their customers discounted rates or membership schemes. The 69p figure is like the rack rate for a hotel.
sjg said:
Kind of true, Ioniq 5 buyers get a couple of years of Hyundai's premium membership which gets much cheaper rates, so it would be more like 10 miles.
Ionity is funded by the consortium of car manufacturers, who can offer their customers discounted rates or membership schemes. The 69p figure is like the rack rate for a hotel.
This. Anyone using the motorway high speed chargers often enough to worry about the cost per kw/h will get a monthly sub sorted and either get unlimited or highly discounted rates.Ionity is funded by the consortium of car manufacturers, who can offer their customers discounted rates or membership schemes. The 69p figure is like the rack rate for a hotel.
The rest of us who use them once in a blue moon... It doesn't seem unreasonable to pay a premium for the convenience.
This thread boils down to a factual error in a YouTube video. But it's a pretty irrelevant error because anyone using them frequently is going to well within the 'worst' case pricing that Steve mentions.
TheDeuce said:
sjg said:
Kind of true, Ioniq 5 buyers get a couple of years of Hyundai's premium membership which gets much cheaper rates, so it would be more like 10 miles.
Ionity is funded by the consortium of car manufacturers, who can offer their customers discounted rates or membership schemes. The 69p figure is like the rack rate for a hotel.
This. Anyone using the motorway high speed chargers often enough to worry about the cost per kw/h will get a monthly sub sorted and either get unlimited or highly discounted rates.Ionity is funded by the consortium of car manufacturers, who can offer their customers discounted rates or membership schemes. The 69p figure is like the rack rate for a hotel.
The rest of us who use them once in a blue moon... It doesn't seem unreasonable to pay a premium for the convenience.
This thread boils down to a factual error in a YouTube video. But it's a pretty irrelevant error because anyone using them frequently is going to well within the 'worst' case pricing that Steve mentions.
because you can't have your own petrol pump at home, you always have to pay the going market rate for petrol
With an EV, most people charge at home at a far lower rate, so occasional expensive "fill ups" are really no different to not bothering to leave the motorway to fill up when you are going on holiday, ie you pay over the odds, but it doesn't make a lot of difference overall
With an EV, most people charge at home at a far lower rate, so occasional expensive "fill ups" are really no different to not bothering to leave the motorway to fill up when you are going on holiday, ie you pay over the odds, but it doesn't make a lot of difference overall
Our I3 REX costs the same to fast-charge as to run the range extender on petrol. So I always charge at home and run on petrol if the electric range isn't enough.
Why would I bother sitting at the motorway services for half an hour (max. 50 kW charging in the I3) and spend even more money on coffees I don't need when I can just keep on driving forever and fill up the tiny petrol tank every 70 miles.
Granted a model 3 LR or EV6 with a significant base range and 200kW+ DC charging are more compatible with stopping for 20mins after a 2-hour motorway run.
Why would I bother sitting at the motorway services for half an hour (max. 50 kW charging in the I3) and spend even more money on coffees I don't need when I can just keep on driving forever and fill up the tiny petrol tank every 70 miles.
Granted a model 3 LR or EV6 with a significant base range and 200kW+ DC charging are more compatible with stopping for 20mins after a 2-hour motorway run.
This is why I rarely bother taking the EV on longer trips. It’s just a bunch of hassle and time wasting and it costs about the same as ICE anyhow. I look at EVs as a 100 mile radius from the house kind of solution and they’re very good at that.
I wonder if the price of public charging will come down. Once everyone gets used to paying a certain amount that tends to be it.
I wonder if the price of public charging will come down. Once everyone gets used to paying a certain amount that tends to be it.
You EV people are totally nuts IMHO.
The cheapest EV on Autotrader is a Nissan Leaf @ £4,700 - 11 years old with 112K on the clock - has a 25-30 miles range!!!!!!!!
You people are madder than a box of frogs.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202203253...
The cheapest EV on Autotrader is a Nissan Leaf @ £4,700 - 11 years old with 112K on the clock - has a 25-30 miles range!!!!!!!!
You people are madder than a box of frogs.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202203253...
andyA700 said:
You EV people are totally nuts IMHO.
The cheapest EV on Autotrader is a Nissan Leaf @ £4,700 - 11 years old with 112K on the clock - has a 25-30 miles range!!!!!!!!
You people are madder than a box of frogs.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202203253...
Or we just have budgets greater than £4,700...?The cheapest EV on Autotrader is a Nissan Leaf @ £4,700 - 11 years old with 112K on the clock - has a 25-30 miles range!!!!!!!!
You people are madder than a box of frogs.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202203253...
I imagine the absolute cheapest of any type of car on Autotrader is going to be s
te one way or another.andyA700 said:
You EV people are totally nuts IMHO.
The cheapest EV on Autotrader is a Nissan Leaf @ £4,700 - 11 years old with 112K on the clock - has a 25-30 miles range!!!!!!!!
You people are madder than a box of frogs.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202203253...
Those Leafs don't have a decent battery cooling system, so the cells don't last as long as many other EVs. Even so, this one seems especially low range.The cheapest EV on Autotrader is a Nissan Leaf @ £4,700 - 11 years old with 112K on the clock - has a 25-30 miles range!!!!!!!!
You people are madder than a box of frogs.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202203253...
Not sure what 1 single car advert says about EVs in general though.
andyA700 said:
You EV people are totally nuts IMHO.
The cheapest EV on Autotrader is a Nissan Leaf @ £4,700 - 11 years old with 112K on the clock - has a 25-30 miles range!!!!!!!!
You people are madder than a box of frogs.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202203253...
As a counter argument, if you had bought a Tesla Model 3 P for £52k back in 2019 and covered 20,000 miles you'd still have a car worth £46k and have spent < £500 in 'fuel' with the right electricity tariff and home charging, nothing on servicing and zero VED.The cheapest EV on Autotrader is a Nissan Leaf @ £4,700 - 11 years old with 112K on the clock - has a 25-30 miles range!!!!!!!!
You people are madder than a box of frogs.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202203253...
SWoll said:
andyA700 said:
You EV people are totally nuts IMHO.
The cheapest EV on Autotrader is a Nissan Leaf @ £4,700 - 11 years old with 112K on the clock - has a 25-30 miles range!!!!!!!!
You people are madder than a box of frogs.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202203253...
As a counter argument, if you had bought a Tesla Model 3 P for £52k back in 2019 and covered 20,000 miles you'd still have a car worth £46k and have spent < £500 in 'fuel' with the right electricity tariff and home charging, nothing on servicing and zero VED.The cheapest EV on Autotrader is a Nissan Leaf @ £4,700 - 11 years old with 112K on the clock - has a 25-30 miles range!!!!!!!!
You people are madder than a box of frogs.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202203253...
For the same money i could have (maybe) just about driven around in a death traps of a £500 banger at no more than 10% throttle so as to try to eak out max mpg, and had a cold, noisy car car that would have more breakdowns than Sienna Miller and chuck out enough polution out the back to kill a couple of kids.
Not sure id' call that descision a difficult or "mad" one tbh :-)
TheDeuce said:
andyA700 said:
You EV people are totally nuts IMHO.
The cheapest EV on Autotrader is a Nissan Leaf @ £4,700 - 11 years old with 112K on the clock - has a 25-30 miles range!!!!!!!!
You people are madder than a box of frogs.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202203253...
Or we just have budgets greater than £4,700...?The cheapest EV on Autotrader is a Nissan Leaf @ £4,700 - 11 years old with 112K on the clock - has a 25-30 miles range!!!!!!!!
You people are madder than a box of frogs.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202203253...
of any car (electric or otherwise) is the initial purchase price...
andyA700 said:
You EV people are totally nuts IMHO.
The cheapest EV on Autotrader is a Nissan Leaf @ £4,700 - 11 years old with 112K on the clock - has a 25-30 miles range!!!!!!!!
You people are madder than a box of frogs.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202203253...
My Leaf cost me about £18,500 5 years ago, still does 90 miles at a decent speed and after 65k is still worth about £10k. It is a good car that I just service myself, and costs pennies to run. For what it is I think it is great value for money, but the changes to motorway Chademo chargers are going to make life much harder. MG ZS LR on order. The cheapest EV on Autotrader is a Nissan Leaf @ £4,700 - 11 years old with 112K on the clock - has a 25-30 miles range!!!!!!!!
You people are madder than a box of frogs.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202203253...
Why is anyone shocked at this.
Services are literally one of the most hideous places in our country, they massively overcharge for everything, food, fuel, and they offer vey little in return other than free use of toilets, which if you have any sense is ALL you ever use them for.
I once knew of a person who managed one of these awful places and he was asked about their pricing structure for food in every shop, and his simple answer was "because we can do what we want"
Not with my money you can't, I haven't spent a pound in services for 20 odd years and hopefully never will, they are the pinnacle of rip off convenience.
Services are literally one of the most hideous places in our country, they massively overcharge for everything, food, fuel, and they offer vey little in return other than free use of toilets, which if you have any sense is ALL you ever use them for.
I once knew of a person who managed one of these awful places and he was asked about their pricing structure for food in every shop, and his simple answer was "because we can do what we want"
Not with my money you can't, I haven't spent a pound in services for 20 odd years and hopefully never will, they are the pinnacle of rip off convenience.
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