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That probably is the biggest myth..... as much as I like how an EV goes. I do not for a second believe they are the future.
The infrastructure just doesn't exist for all/majority of cars to be EV's and never will. Not in any of our live times at any rate.
I suspect electric drive might be more the norm in time to come. But probably accompanied by some sort of fuel burning on board way of producing power for it. Lots of potential in synthetic fuels and other fuel types yet.
The infrastructure just doesn't exist for all/majority of cars to be EV's and never will. Not in any of our live times at any rate.
I suspect electric drive might be more the norm in time to come. But probably accompanied by some sort of fuel burning on board way of producing power for it. Lots of potential in synthetic fuels and other fuel types yet.
300bhp/ton said:
That probably is the biggest myth..... as much as I like how an EV goes. I do not for a second believe they are the future.
The infrastructure just doesn't exist for all/majority of cars to be EV's and never will. Not in any of our live times at any rate.
I suspect electric drive might be more the norm in time to come. But probably accompanied by some sort of fuel burning on board way of producing power for it. Lots of potential in synthetic fuels and other fuel types yet.
3 posts in, and bingo! onboard liquid fuel of any type is walking dead.The infrastructure just doesn't exist for all/majority of cars to be EV's and never will. Not in any of our live times at any rate.
I suspect electric drive might be more the norm in time to come. But probably accompanied by some sort of fuel burning on board way of producing power for it. Lots of potential in synthetic fuels and other fuel types yet.
is it the obsession with pushing a nozzle into a hole and squirting liquid into it?
tamore said:
300bhp/ton said:
That probably is the biggest myth..... as much as I like how an EV goes. I do not for a second believe they are the future.
The infrastructure just doesn't exist for all/majority of cars to be EV's and never will. Not in any of our live times at any rate.
I suspect electric drive might be more the norm in time to come. But probably accompanied by some sort of fuel burning on board way of producing power for it. Lots of potential in synthetic fuels and other fuel types yet.
3 posts in, and bingo! onboard liquid fuel of any type is walking dead.The infrastructure just doesn't exist for all/majority of cars to be EV's and never will. Not in any of our live times at any rate.
I suspect electric drive might be more the norm in time to come. But probably accompanied by some sort of fuel burning on board way of producing power for it. Lots of potential in synthetic fuels and other fuel types yet.
is it the obsession with pushing a nozzle into a hole and squirting liquid into it?
I feel a bit sorry for them if that post wasn't implied sarcasm.
"trade your car in for an EV as it's better for the environment"
Overall I think the ev Vs ice thing is getting pretty old already. It's like sega Vs nes, blue ray Vs hd dvd and apple Vs android all in one pot.
So many people seem desperate to declare a winner RIGHT NOW when their pros and cons will vary for many people.
The worst thing is, we will keep having the same debates well into 2030
Overall I think the ev Vs ice thing is getting pretty old already. It's like sega Vs nes, blue ray Vs hd dvd and apple Vs android all in one pot.
So many people seem desperate to declare a winner RIGHT NOW when their pros and cons will vary for many people.
The worst thing is, we will keep having the same debates well into 2030
a_dreamer said:
"trade your car in for an EV as it's better for the environment"
Overall I think the ev Vs ice thing is getting pretty old already. It's like sega Vs nes, blue ray Vs hd dvd and apple Vs android all in one pot.
So many people seem desperate to declare a winner RIGHT NOW when their pros and cons will vary for many people.
The worst thing is, we will keep having the same debates well into 2030
no. it's more like horse vs motoriosed carriage. EV and ICE aren't competing for the future, that's set. it's about how long ICE can hang in with a significant market share.Overall I think the ev Vs ice thing is getting pretty old already. It's like sega Vs nes, blue ray Vs hd dvd and apple Vs android all in one pot.
So many people seem desperate to declare a winner RIGHT NOW when their pros and cons will vary for many people.
The worst thing is, we will keep having the same debates well into 2030
300bhp/ton said:
That probably is the biggest myth..... as much as I like how an EV goes. I do not for a second believe they are the future.
The infrastructure just doesn't exist for all/majority of cars to be EV's and never will. Not in any of our live times at any rate.
I suspect electric drive might be more the norm in time to come. But probably accompanied by some sort of fuel burning on board way of producing power for it. Lots of potential in synthetic fuels and other fuel types yet.
Maths fail 101.The infrastructure just doesn't exist for all/majority of cars to be EV's and never will. Not in any of our live times at any rate.
I suspect electric drive might be more the norm in time to come. But probably accompanied by some sort of fuel burning on board way of producing power for it. Lots of potential in synthetic fuels and other fuel types yet.
The only infrastructure to power cars that currently exists is the liquid fossil fuel one.
ANY renewable alternative therefore requires huge investment in infrastructure.
The amount of infrastructure will depend entirely on how many times the energy is being converted from one form to another, and the end-to-end efficiency of the useful energy delivered to the driven wheels.
Battery propulsion beats any other renewable alternative by several times in this regard, not just a small fraction, but at least 2 or 3 times.
So either you are saying that newly-produced fossil-fuel-powered cars will be given a stay of execution, or that we will intentionally ignore a pathway that has a several fold lower infrastructure requirement because 'nozzle'.
That's only the half of it.
ANY lower efficiency renewable pathway will directly equate to a corresponding much higher recurring cost. So what you are suggesting is that we will choose both a much higher investment cost and a much higher ongoing cost.
Blah blah drive to Scotland blah blah charging blah blah batteries junk after 5 years blah blah not any greener blah blah fifty grand blah blah average man on the street blah blah live in a flat blah blah
The saddest thing is that people genuinely think I should be interested in their hot take on the future of motoring.
The saddest thing is that people genuinely think I should be interested in their hot take on the future of motoring.
Woah, hold your horses.
There is so much irony to cope with here:
Forced induction is evil apparently, we want NA. EV gives you immense instant punch, magnitudes more responsive than an NA ICE ever could plus magnitudes more torque.
Noise wise, well we know that all new cars have been emasculated by EU noise regs, so …. Ok doesn’t sound like my Chim or Jags from the past but, does obtainable Stuttgart pork sound good these days?
I’ve never been spellbound by a manual box and clutch (sorry) so seamless acceleration seems like a massive gain.
I’ll get me coat and hand my PH badge in on my way out.
There is so much irony to cope with here:
Forced induction is evil apparently, we want NA. EV gives you immense instant punch, magnitudes more responsive than an NA ICE ever could plus magnitudes more torque.
Noise wise, well we know that all new cars have been emasculated by EU noise regs, so …. Ok doesn’t sound like my Chim or Jags from the past but, does obtainable Stuttgart pork sound good these days?
I’ve never been spellbound by a manual box and clutch (sorry) so seamless acceleration seems like a massive gain.
I’ll get me coat and hand my PH badge in on my way out.
agent006 said:
Blah blah drive to Scotland blah blah charging blah blah batteries junk after 5 years blah blah not any greener blah blah fifty grand blah blah average man on the street blah blah live in a flat blah blah
The saddest thing is that people genuinely think I should be interested in their hot take on the future of motoring.
One thing EVs have revealed is that most people have no idea how far away things are. I noticed it back when I had an original Leaf, they thought I couldn't get to the next city over due to the limited range. In fact it was less than 25 miles away.The saddest thing is that people genuinely think I should be interested in their hot take on the future of motoring.
C.A.R. said:
tamore said:
300bhp/ton said:
That probably is the biggest myth..... as much as I like how an EV goes. I do not for a second believe they are the future.
The infrastructure just doesn't exist for all/majority of cars to be EV's and never will. Not in any of our live times at any rate.
I suspect electric drive might be more the norm in time to come. But probably accompanied by some sort of fuel burning on board way of producing power for it. Lots of potential in synthetic fuels and other fuel types yet.
3 posts in, and bingo! onboard liquid fuel of any type is walking dead.The infrastructure just doesn't exist for all/majority of cars to be EV's and never will. Not in any of our live times at any rate.
I suspect electric drive might be more the norm in time to come. But probably accompanied by some sort of fuel burning on board way of producing power for it. Lots of potential in synthetic fuels and other fuel types yet.
is it the obsession with pushing a nozzle into a hole and squirting liquid into it?
I feel a bit sorry for them if that post wasn't implied sarcasm.
We don't even have the electrical generation capabilities to support everyone being electric.
Rationally these would seem to be some major road blockers on the long term success and mass conversion to EV's..... at least in the short to medium term.
I'm guessing most major car manufactures may have similar concerns, because most of them are still exploring other options to EV's. Even if they are launching EVs to appease the current status quo.
BTW - I've posted pictures like this before. And thus far, nobody has replied with an answer. I suspect none will be prevailing today either.
If you live somewhere like this:
Which lets face, there are 100,000's of homes like this in the UK. Which have no driveways and no guarantee of even being able to park at all. How are people like this supposed to be able to charge an EV? Do we install charge points for every single car? It would be the only to make it practical for people to run EV's. But nobody wants to fund 100 million charge points.... not even a tiny percentage of that. And in reality you probably need 2 charge points for every car, as you may well need to charge away from home too.
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