RE: Vauxhall Carlton GSi 3000 | Spotted
RE: Vauxhall Carlton GSi 3000 | Spotted
Monday 2nd May 2022

Vauxhall Carlton GSi 3000 | Spotted

Classic status might have alluded the big Vauxhall, but it's rare, fast and affordable. And brimmed with charm



Seemingly, it wasn't long ago that Matt Bird covered one of these. But if, like me, you're thinking that was only in the last month or so, it wasn't. Crikey, it was last November, which means another six months of life has just skedaddled by in a blink. And despite the GSi 3000's seemingly biannual showing, this is still a super-rare car - and also one that I love more than sipping French Cidre under the shade of a plane tree, and I like doing that a lot. So if you're unimpressed by its inclusion then, quite frankly, nurr. It's in.

The Vauxhall Carlton GSi 3000. Isn't it just magnificent? Yes, yes and yes, are all right answers. Fair play, it isn't the 24-valver that MB spotted. And true as a straight edge, that's the big-daddy Carlt we all want, if we haven't got pockets deep enough for a Lotus. After all, it was the 24-valve model, launched not long after this one would've rolled off the Luton line in 1990, that used its new tally of 204hp to see off the BMW 535i in the January edition of Autocar & Motor. I've just dug out that twin test and pilfered this comment: 'With this new Vauxhall engine, BMW's 3.5 no longer sets the standards by which big sixes are judged.' Well, how about that bit of breaking news, then, from 32-years ago?

Here, the reciprocating faucets in the head, otherwise known as valves, number twelve. That means this one's got 177hp, but who gives a monkey's chuff about that? Not me, and here's some facts as to why: the 4.0-litre AJ6 in the XJ40, with 24 valves I might add, only mustered 235hp; and because the big Carlt weighed just 1,300kg, 177hp was all it needed to slingshot to sixty in eight-seconds flat. And bar the cylinder head, essentially it's the same car as a GSi 3000 24v, it just doesn't breathe quite as freely. Think of it as a Carlton GSi 3000 24v with a head cold, then, and perhaps show it some sympathy.



Anyway, being pretty much the same GSi underneath as the car that beat the 535i, let me spring another sentence or three from that A&M that'll prove how mighty it was in the handling department: 'Given the well-documented magnificence of the 5-Series chassis it is to the Carlton's credit that there is almost nothing to choose between these two on a twisting road.' And 'The Carlton, in extremis, handles neutrally, rolling little and showing no desire to push its nose away from the apex. If you go faster still it reveals a penchant for hanging its tail out, but never goes too far or tries to bite back.' Come on, tell me that doesn't sounds truly loveable? It's like a big old cuddly black Lab.

Except, as I said, this one's a rare breed now. There are, according to stillontheroad.co.uk, just 63 Carton GSi 3000s left in the U.K. That's fewer than the number of GSi 3000 24vs, which stands at 101, while Lotus Carltons, for the record, are the most prolific, showing 189. So £13,000 for such a rare car doesn't seem too much of a stretch, really. And looking at the pictures, it's far from a shabby barn find. The exterior looks sound and the interior well groomed, with nothing more than a few creases in the leather bolster of the driver's seat to show its 90,000 miles. I love that the original Phillips stereo is still there and it's one with the old LCD dashboard - I've always admired the slight kitsch K.I.T.T. aspect of these.

What about the rust issues, I hear the naysayers warn? Ah yes, big Carlts do wither with tin worm, it's true. But there's potentially some good news here. Looking at this car's more recent MOT history, exactly that problem - along with a fair few others it must be said - meant a big fat fail in July 2020. So the fact that it got the all clear in September that year, and has since passed another annual fitness check last year, does point to it having all the attendant issues attended to. In which case, what are you waiting for? I hear Rotherham's very agreeable in springtime, so get going, pronto.


Specification | Vauxhall Carlton GSi 3000

Engine: 2,926cc, straight-six, naturally aspirated
Transmission: 5-speed manual, rear-wheel drive
Power (hp): 177
Torque (lb ft): 177
MPG: N/A
CO2: N/A
First registered: 1989
Recorded mileage: 90,000
Price new: £20,000
Yours for: £12,980

See the full ad here




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McRors

Original Poster:

468 posts

87 months

Monday 2nd May 2022
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Ugly, slow, fragile and expensive. Why would one?

Miserablegit

4,449 posts

140 months

Monday 2nd May 2022
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Eluded chaps

Google [bot]

6,828 posts

212 months

Monday 2nd May 2022
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I’d love that here in Oz to troll/confuse/fascinate the Holden fans, and I have always had a bit of a soft spot for them. But not $30k of love.

Inspire

443 posts

210 months

Monday 2nd May 2022
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Well, I think that looks ace. From the 1980s plastic dash - so much plastic! - to the graphics on the boot lid! Brings back memories of being a child and wondering what company car my dad was going to come home in. Sweet!

Thanks

Rob

s m

24,494 posts

234 months

Monday 2nd May 2022
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EVO mag journos used to love these

Now I suspect they wouldn’t want to be seen in a cheap Vauxhall and it’s all about Porsches

Firebobby

1,013 posts

70 months

Monday 2nd May 2022
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"The thinking man's Sierra Cosworth" said one magazine of the era if I recall? Hmm! I know which one this thinking man would have had, and it didn't have a Griffin on the front....

s m

24,494 posts

234 months

Monday 2nd May 2022
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Firebobby said:
"The thinking man's Sierra Cosworth" said one magazine of the era if I recall? Hmm! I know which one this thinking man would have had, and it didn't have a Griffin on the front....
Renault 21 Turbo?

livinginasia

966 posts

141 months

Monday 2nd May 2022
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Always wanted one of these when I was stuck in a cavalier company car but wasn’t senior enough - only the sales director had one. Happy days. Would love this one !

gl20

1,199 posts

180 months

Monday 2nd May 2022
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From an age when I used to devour every word of every review in Car magazine and was able to commit to memory without trying.

So for this particular fine specimen - ‘the leather on the side bolsters is so perfectly cut it as has the unfortunate effect of making it look like plastic’. They weren’t wrong - take a look at the photos in the ad. It is now a little grained but that is very plastic-like leather. Still wanted my Dad to switch his Rover 825 for the 24v one though.

s m

24,494 posts

234 months

Monday 2nd May 2022
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Nowadays I’d only really want the 24v version or the homologation Omega Evo 500 with the amazing boot spoiler


Or the Lotus ….but that’s another price bracket

Motormouth88

803 posts

91 months

Monday 2nd May 2022
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Literally horrendous in every way...and look at that rear overhang

GTEYE

2,509 posts

241 months

Monday 2nd May 2022
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The 80s aero look. This was GM’s reply to the 1982 Audi 100.

Easy to be critical now, but it was ultra modern at the time.

cerb4.5lee

45,242 posts

211 months

Monday 2nd May 2022
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I really like this(and the 24v version), but I've never actually managed to own a Vauxhall though(always been a Ford man). However Vauxhall have a great back catalogue of cars from around this era I reckon. cool

The Leaper

5,731 posts

237 months

Monday 2nd May 2022
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I had a Vauxhall Carlton GSI 3000 24v, fire engine red, manual, non digital dash for 5 years as a company car back in the '90s. Probably one of the best company cars I had. Son loved driving it (he was around 18). Did 132,000 miles in it, no issues at all other than consumables. Engine, drivetrain etc never touched. Sublime cruiser and could really motor when needed (this was in the '90s).

Did not want to give it up but employer insisted! Next car was a Saab 900 Turbo Taladega...OK, but not up to the enjoyment level of the Carlton.

J181 SPC where are you now?

R.

Rich Boy Spanner

1,898 posts

161 months

Monday 2nd May 2022
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I like Vauxhall/Opel's of this era, 1970's and 1980's. I like the styling and the engine options were good pre-Ecotec. I went through a couple of 2.0 Astra's, did 160K miles in them, and had eyes on the Carlton but they were too old at the time, and then I gave up on the brand after having horrendous Ecotec engine problems (electronic everything).

MountainsofSussex

457 posts

217 months

Monday 2nd May 2022
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My dad had two Carlton estates, plus my step mum had a Belmont SRI, so I have a soft spot for Vauxhalls of this era. Seemed huge at the time, but somehow it's only 2cm longer than a current Focus estate! I remember them being fast comfortable and reliable, and my dad taking about things like the aerodynamics being engineered to keep the rear lights and windows clear of rain and dirt, which was space science at the time...

s m

24,494 posts

234 months

Monday 2nd May 2022
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MountainsofSussex said:
My dad had two Carlton estates, plus my step mum had a Belmont SRI, so I have a soft spot for Vauxhalls of this era. Seemed huge at the time, but somehow it's only 2cm longer than a current Focus estate! I remember them being fast comfortable and reliable, and my dad taking about things like the aerodynamics being engineered to keep the rear lights and windows clear of rain and dirt, which was space science at the time...
They used to be reviewed against BMWs and Mercs sporty offerings but now they haven’t got the right badge and image for people to pay what a 325i Sport would fetch


anonymous-user

85 months

Monday 2nd May 2022
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McRors said:
Ugly, slow, fragile and expensive. Why would one?
In my eyes it's a handsome old thing, although the Senator was never, its quick for its time, I'd have one over a standard Cosworth any day of the week, they rust but are mechanically unbeatable and at 12k, how is it dear? I will, then, politely agree to disagree with your assertion

Edit, a 24v Carlton or Senator is a blast!

Leins

10,503 posts

179 months

Monday 2nd May 2022
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s m said:
They used to be reviewed against BMWs and Mercs sporty offerings but now they haven’t got the right badge and image for people to pay what a 325i Sport would fetch

It’s interesting because you’d think there would be a directly proportional demand increase these days to the Hethel version

Would I have one of these over an e34 535i Sport though, not sure, but they’re definitely still comparable


hammo19

7,861 posts

227 months

Monday 2nd May 2022
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What a beauty. I loved these cars when they first came out. The poor man’s Lotus Carlton. It would look amazing next to my 2002 HSV.