Extra bank holiday entitlement
Discussion
I work shifts, 2days 2 nights 4 off.
This year the company allocated an extra bank holiday for the day workers, nothing for the shift workers.
Which left me considering why day workers, who do not work for the bank of england, were allowed time off in excess of their holidays, with no such benefit for those on shift.
Is this legal, and if, as I suspect, not, where should I go to find legislation?
This year the company allocated an extra bank holiday for the day workers, nothing for the shift workers.
Which left me considering why day workers, who do not work for the bank of england, were allowed time off in excess of their holidays, with no such benefit for those on shift.
Is this legal, and if, as I suspect, not, where should I go to find legislation?
OutInTheShed said:
Your contract is your contract.
What anybody else gets is not relevant.
Lots of shift workers have signed contracts which essentially buy out their BH 'rights'.
Having looked into it it appears the only people with a right to BH are those who work for the Bank of England.What anybody else gets is not relevant.
Lots of shift workers have signed contracts which essentially buy out their BH 'rights'.
This one I'll chase.
Legal minimum is on the gov.uk website.
Of course, your contract of employment may well give you more (but can't give you less).
Of course, your contract of employment may well give you more (but can't give you less).
stitched said:
I work shifts, 2days 2 nights 4 off.
This year the company allocated an extra bank holiday for the day workers, nothing for the shift workers.
Which left me considering why day workers, who do not work for the bank of england, were allowed time off in excess of their holidays, with no such benefit for those on shift.
Is this legal, and if, as I suspect, not, where should I go to find legislation?
This year the company allocated an extra bank holiday for the day workers, nothing for the shift workers.
Which left me considering why day workers, who do not work for the bank of england, were allowed time off in excess of their holidays, with no such benefit for those on shift.
Is this legal, and if, as I suspect, not, where should I go to find legislation?
Govt website said:
Bank holidays
Bank or public holidays do not have to be given as paid leave.
An employer can choose to include bank holidays as part of a worker’s statutory annual leave.
Most places I've worked have given the day off as paid leave (however given that the work still needs to be done its not really an extra day off)Bank or public holidays do not have to be given as paid leave.
An employer can choose to include bank holidays as part of a worker’s statutory annual leave.
Some places have given the day off but unpaid, and some expect you to take it as part of your Annual leave OR unpaid.
the short answer is it really depends on how generous your employer is.
InitialDave said:
What's your shift allowance?
If you're on +20% and you're talking about an "extra" day off applicable to people on base rate, I'd advise you to keep quiet about it.
Well that is another factor, 3 years ago they took a bunch of shift engineers and made them a days only PM team.If you're on +20% and you're talking about an "extra" day off applicable to people on base rate, I'd advise you to keep quiet about it.
They don't work nights or weekends, are allowed bank holidays although it comes off their holiday entitlement, however paid the same as shift workers.
stitched said:
Well that is another factor, 3 years ago they took a bunch of shift engineers and made them a days only PM team.
They don't work nights or weekends, are allowed bank holidays although it comes off their holiday entitlement, however paid the same as shift workers.
Imo if you stopped worrying about what other people do / get, and concentrated on yourself, you'd be better off.They don't work nights or weekends, are allowed bank holidays although it comes off their holiday entitlement, however paid the same as shift workers.
Some Gump said:
stitched said:
Well that is another factor, 3 years ago they took a bunch of shift engineers and made them a days only PM team.
They don't work nights or weekends, are allowed bank holidays although it comes off their holiday entitlement, however paid the same as shift workers.
Imo if you stopped worrying about what other people do / get, and concentrated on yourself, you'd be better off.They don't work nights or weekends, are allowed bank holidays although it comes off their holiday entitlement, however paid the same as shift workers.
Also effectively giving an extera holiday to your 9 to 5 staff with nothing offered to the shift staff, unless contractual which it is not, also not legal.
stitched said:
I generally do, however paying two people on the same contract the same amount when one works unsociable hours and the other does not is not legal
Also effectively giving an extera holiday to your 9 to 5 staff with nothing offered to the shift staff, unless contractual which it is not, also not legal.
Strong words. Do you have references to confirm this or is this just your opinion?Also effectively giving an extera holiday to your 9 to 5 staff with nothing offered to the shift staff, unless contractual which it is not, also not legal.
deckster said:
stitched said:
I generally do, however paying two people on the same contract the same amount when one works unsociable hours and the other does not is not legal
Also effectively giving an extera holiday to your 9 to 5 staff with nothing offered to the shift staff, unless contractual which it is not, also not legal.
Strong words. Do you have references to confirm this or is this just your opinion?Also effectively giving an extera holiday to your 9 to 5 staff with nothing offered to the shift staff, unless contractual which it is not, also not legal.
The extra day holiday offered to office hour staff with no extra time off for shift workers is actually discrimination and not legal. I'll try and get some details.
stitched said:
I generally do, however paying two people on the same contract the same amount when one works unsociable hours and the other does not is not legal.
Also effectively giving an extera holiday to your 9 to 5 staff with nothing offered to the shift staff, unless contractual which it is not, also not legal.
I'm 99% sure they ARE legal.Also effectively giving an extera holiday to your 9 to 5 staff with nothing offered to the shift staff, unless contractual which it is not, also not legal.
If one group of staff is working Unsocial Hours they don't have the same contract as a group that isn't required to work unsocial hours.
As long as you give staff the stat minimum you can give Joe 21 days off per year and dave 55 days off a year. there is absolutely nothing to say that staff have to have equal pay and conditions. As long as you're not discriminating against staff based on one of the protected characteristics.
stitched said:
The unsociable hours payment, otherwise known as shift pay, is contractual.
The extra day holiday offered to office hour staff with no extra time off for shift workers is actually discrimination and not legal. I'll try and get some details.
So if they're not paying in accordance with the contract, that's one thing. But there is nothing in law to say that unsocial hours pay more than office hours.The extra day holiday offered to office hour staff with no extra time off for shift workers is actually discrimination and not legal. I'll try and get some details.
And as has been said, there is nothing illegal about discrimination. That would only be an issue if, for example, all the people working unsocial hours were of a particular ethnicity or gender, or some other protected characteristic.
InitialDave said:
One person's unsociable hours is another's nice, quiet, efficient time to get work done.
Correct, My favourite shift is Sat Sun days Mon Tues nights, that is when I can get the most work done without d
heads getting in the way.Giving 9 to 5 staff an extra day off without anything for the workforce is IMHO wrong.
stitched said:
InitialDave said:
One person's unsociable hours is another's nice, quiet, efficient time to get work done.
Correct, My favourite shift is Sat Sun days Mon Tues nights, that is when I can get the most work done without d
heads getting in the way.Giving 9 to 5 staff an extra day off without anything for the workforce is IMHO wrong.
heads getting in their way.Countdown said:
stitched said:
InitialDave said:
One person's unsociable hours is another's nice, quiet, efficient time to get work done.
Correct, My favourite shift is Sat Sun days Mon Tues nights, that is when I can get the most work done without d
heads getting in the way.Giving 9 to 5 staff an extra day off without anything for the workforce is IMHO wrong.
heads getting in their way.In a company that size 7% is a massive amount, now they are back it has dropped to its previous level.
Perhaps a mirror moment before uttering the word d
head would be appropriate?
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