Crossrail 24th may 2022 is a rare win for the uk public
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Someone explain this s
t.
Crossrail cost approx 18 billion. Its a marvel of engineering and complexity.
Government Track and trace app development and operation. More than 18 billion easy.
What the fk is it? Your humble mobile contains all the sensors already. They no doubt adapted existing apps off the shelf that make use of the telemetry in a phone.
Even if there were hundreds of developers were they paying them 100 million each?
What a bunch of st.
Thank fk we got the trains and tunnels before these crooks spunked all the money on some other invisible effort.
t.Crossrail cost approx 18 billion. Its a marvel of engineering and complexity.
Government Track and trace app development and operation. More than 18 billion easy.
What the f
k is it? Your humble mobile contains all the sensors already. They no doubt adapted existing apps off the shelf that make use of the telemetry in a phone.Even if there were hundreds of developers were they paying them 100 million each?
What a bunch of s
t. Thank f
k we got the trains and tunnels before these crooks spunked all the money on some other invisible effort.Fundoreen said:
Someone explain this st.
Crossrail cost approx 18 billion. Its a marvel of engineering and complexity.
Government Track and trace app development and operation. More than 18 billion easy.
What the fk is it? Your humble mobile contains all the sensors already. They no doubt adapted existing apps off the shelf that make use of the telemetry in a phone.
Even if there were hundreds of developers were they paying them 100 million each?
What a bunch of st.
Thank fk we got the trains and tunnels before these crooks spunked all the money on some other invisible effort.
Remember kids - don't drink and post!t.Crossrail cost approx 18 billion. Its a marvel of engineering and complexity.
Government Track and trace app development and operation. More than 18 billion easy.
What the f
k is it? Your humble mobile contains all the sensors already. They no doubt adapted existing apps off the shelf that make use of the telemetry in a phone.Even if there were hundreds of developers were they paying them 100 million each?
What a bunch of s
t. Thank f
k we got the trains and tunnels before these crooks spunked all the money on some other invisible effort.poo at Paul's said:
More people used test and trace than will use cross rail. 18 billion all for what, 3 million people to ever use?
Sounds pricey to me.
It's overall capacity though. Say 3 million people use crossrail. That's 3 million people NOT using the other lines, buses, roads etc, which has a positive impact on another (say) 10 million people, so a far bigger net gain. Crossrail is a good thing. Sounds pricey to me.
OnTheBreadline said:
poo at Paul's said:
More people used test and trace than will use cross rail. 18 billion all for what, 3 million people to ever use?
Sounds pricey to me.
It's overall capacity though. Say 3 million people use crossrail. That's 3 million people NOT using the other lines, buses, roads etc, which has a positive impact on another (say) 10 million people, so a far bigger net gain. Crossrail is a good thing. Sounds pricey to me.
Electro1980 said:
Simple. The test and trace app didn’t cost £18 billion. The test and trace operation did (I’m assuming the number is correct as I haven’t verified it). The app was a tiny fraction of that.
Exactly this.In my village, we had a large scale testing centre. It's still renting the land, as they're marshaling the mobile testing booths there as they close other sites.
Absolutely staggering the spend. At least six staff as 'security/traffic directors' 24/7. 30-40 testing staff. Huge amounts of lighting, generators and brand spanking new site fencing (not to mention a billion cones) all on hire for 18 months. The staff were getting paid pretty decent wages too.
It was a tad more than 'an app'.
Sway said:
Exactly this.
In my village, we had a large scale testing centre. It's still renting the land, as they're marshaling the mobile testing booths there as they close other sites.
Absolutely staggering the spend. At least six staff as 'security/traffic directors' 24/7. 30-40 testing staff. Huge amounts of lighting, generators and brand spanking new site fencing (not to mention a billion cones) all on hire for 18 months. The staff were getting paid pretty decent wages too.
It was a tad more than 'an app'.
To say nothing of ramping up laboratory capacity from the ability to run 5K tests a day to a million. Hopefully some of that spending was not wasted and might leave something useful for the future. In my village, we had a large scale testing centre. It's still renting the land, as they're marshaling the mobile testing booths there as they close other sites.
Absolutely staggering the spend. At least six staff as 'security/traffic directors' 24/7. 30-40 testing staff. Huge amounts of lighting, generators and brand spanking new site fencing (not to mention a billion cones) all on hire for 18 months. The staff were getting paid pretty decent wages too.
It was a tad more than 'an app'.
The issue is/was that the media repeated over and over again that the NHS track and trace app cost £37 billion. But they just kept on saying "app".
So everyone now thinks the app on their phone cost said £37 billion. And how can a phone app possibly cost 37 billion sheets? It can't, obviously, but the media never bothered to mention all the rest of it.
So everyone now thinks the app on their phone cost said £37 billion. And how can a phone app possibly cost 37 billion sheets? It can't, obviously, but the media never bothered to mention all the rest of it.
JagLover said:
To say nothing of ramping up laboratory capacity from the ability to run 5K tests a day to a million. Hopefully some of that spending was not wasted and might leave something useful for the future.
Yep - plus of course sending hundreds of millions of lateral flow test kits out. Fundoreen said:
So some detail added there.
I dont think crossrail was built by one person though. Anyway its time all the people and venues associated with test and trace were sacked off to save some money.
Who has said CR (or indeed the entire test and trace operation) was built by one person?I dont think crossrail was built by one person though. Anyway its time all the people and venues associated with test and trace were sacked off to save some money.
Just own that you've been an utter fool, and have had your ignorance corrected.
Most of the people and venues associated with test and trace have been "sacked off". There are some bits, as noted above, it'd be very prudent to retain for the future.
Sway said:
Fundoreen said:
So some detail added there.
I dont think crossrail was built by one person though. Anyway its time all the people and venues associated with test and trace were sacked off to save some money.
Who has said CR (or indeed the entire test and trace operation) was built by one person?I dont think crossrail was built by one person though. Anyway its time all the people and venues associated with test and trace were sacked off to save some money.
Just own that you've been an utter fool, and have had your ignorance corrected.
Most of the people and venues associated with test and trace have been "sacked off". There are some bits, as noted above, it'd be very prudent to retain for the future.
Whats worse is we got the same result as not bothering with any of it. Just some more rich people trousering more cash for doing nothing effective.
Fundoreen said:
Sway said:
Fundoreen said:
So some detail added there.
I dont think crossrail was built by one person though. Anyway its time all the people and venues associated with test and trace were sacked off to save some money.
Who has said CR (or indeed the entire test and trace operation) was built by one person?I dont think crossrail was built by one person though. Anyway its time all the people and venues associated with test and trace were sacked off to save some money.
Just own that you've been an utter fool, and have had your ignorance corrected.
Most of the people and venues associated with test and trace have been "sacked off". There are some bits, as noted above, it'd be very prudent to retain for the future.
Whats worse is we got the same result as not bothering with any of it. Just some more rich people trousering more cash for doing nothing effective.
We also didn't 'get the same result' in terms of excess deaths. See the WHO analysis put out this week.
Carry on revelling in your ignorance and bile.
snuffy said:
The issue is/was that the media repeated over and over again that the NHS track and trace app cost £37 billion. But they just kept on saying "app".
So everyone now thinks the app on their phone cost said £37 billion. And how can a phone app possibly cost 37 billion sheets? It can't, obviously, but the media never bothered to mention all the rest of it.
AIUI, that £37 billion was the budgeted cost of T&T over two years. The actual spend in year one was around 13.5 billion. Still an eye watering amount, and I don't think the final bill is known yet. But, as others have said, the T&T cost includes all the testing - the last time I looked there had been 510 million test results. The cost of processing those tests must be huge, but mass testing seemed rather popular with the public in my opinion.So everyone now thinks the app on their phone cost said £37 billion. And how can a phone app possibly cost 37 billion sheets? It can't, obviously, but the media never bothered to mention all the rest of it.
Whether the £x billion spent on T&T actually achieved anything is arguable. At least Crossrail leaves a long term piece of infrastructure.
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