M15 Agent used secret status to terrorise girlfriend
Discussion
Beyond the appaling treatment of his GF - quite righly being made public, it's surely not very M15 being so public about your M15 job? Seems like something that would be an immediate vetting fail, if true - or I guess the other option is extreme Walting.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61508520
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61508520
It seems to be a common tactic for these abusive guys and conmen to say they work for something like MI5 or as a mercenary/special forces soldier. Gives them plausible deniability if they have to disappear.
There’s a doc on Netflix about a guy who said he was MI5 and basically kidnapped a woman for years. He’s still at it, he had moved a woman away from her family and stopped contact while the doc was being made.
There’s a doc on Netflix about a guy who said he was MI5 and basically kidnapped a woman for years. He’s still at it, he had moved a woman away from her family and stopped contact while the doc was being made.
pquinn said:
He isn't an 'agent', he's a dodgy foreign right wing terrorist type working as an informant.
Guess it sexes up the headline a bit calling him an agent? No one would be surprised at scum acting like scum, though they might be at the protection he gets.
The impression gained from the first report I heard about this was that he worked for MI5 - as a "civil servant", rather than some dodgy character being paid as an informant.Guess it sexes up the headline a bit calling him an agent? No one would be surprised at scum acting like scum, though they might be at the protection he gets.
It seemed odd, and when I checked up, he wasn't actually recruited for the university graduate scheme and working in an office at MI5 HQ.
My wife had thought he was an officer until I told her otherwise.
Stupid thing is that the story is more than grubby enough without the extra confusion.
That said it's hard to distinguish facts from opinion in some of the history of events. But the court action and injunction does add a *lot* of credibility to the whole thing which it might not have had otherwise.
That said it's hard to distinguish facts from opinion in some of the history of events. But the court action and injunction does add a *lot* of credibility to the whole thing which it might not have had otherwise.
krisdelta said:
Beyond the appaling treatment of his GF - quite righly being made public, it's surely not very M15 being so public about your M15 job? Seems like something that would be an immediate vetting fail, if true - or I guess the other option is extreme Walting.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61508520
It’s MI5 not M15, you ‘tard.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61508520
I am not sure 'He's an informant, not an agent' line works given the Covert Human Intelligence Bill is now statute.
It works as a line to possibly dismiss the news story as perhaps if it's not entirely correct.
https://bills.parliament.uk/bills/2783
So not just police officers or Spooks can commit crimes if it helps their 'investigations'.
Could the Covert Human Intelligence Sources (Criminal Conduct) Act 2021 lead to cover ups of injustices here because someone is a 'CHIS' or a Civil Servant investigating Food Safety?:
FBI to Tonko: We'll never talk about informant tied to limo crash
Federal agency rejects congressman's plea to discuss relationship between agents and Shahed Hussain, an FBI informant who owned the unsafe limo that crashed three years ago in Schoharie:
https://www.timesunion.com/business/article/FBI-to...
Shahed Hussain is an informant or just somebody that entraps vulnerable people or those who are easily led into incriminating actions?
It works as a line to possibly dismiss the news story as perhaps if it's not entirely correct.
https://bills.parliament.uk/bills/2783
So not just police officers or Spooks can commit crimes if it helps their 'investigations'.
Could the Covert Human Intelligence Sources (Criminal Conduct) Act 2021 lead to cover ups of injustices here because someone is a 'CHIS' or a Civil Servant investigating Food Safety?:
FBI to Tonko: We'll never talk about informant tied to limo crash
Federal agency rejects congressman's plea to discuss relationship between agents and Shahed Hussain, an FBI informant who owned the unsafe limo that crashed three years ago in Schoharie:
https://www.timesunion.com/business/article/FBI-to...
Shahed Hussain is an informant or just somebody that entraps vulnerable people or those who are easily led into incriminating actions?
Edited by carinaman on Friday 20th May 22:44
krisdelta said:
Beyond the appaling treatment of his GF - quite righly being made public, it's surely not very M15 being so public about your M15 job? Seems like something that would be an immediate vetting fail, if true - or I guess the other option is extreme Walting.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61508520
M15 ffs https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61508520
do you think it’s a motorway. They should have just got the guy's aliases and photo out into the public domain via one of the many possible routes first then let the courts play catch up afterwards.
One problem likely goes away with approriately extreme prejudice, and the other side of it gets a decent cleansing dose of sunlight.
Doesn't exactly sound like their CHIS is doing much except letting some people look like they're actively working on monitoring cases, otherwise his activity wouldn't have stretched out over so many years.
One problem likely goes away with approriately extreme prejudice, and the other side of it gets a decent cleansing dose of sunlight.
Doesn't exactly sound like their CHIS is doing much except letting some people look like they're actively working on monitoring cases, otherwise his activity wouldn't have stretched out over so many years.
pquinn said:
He isn't an 'agent', he's a dodgy foreign right wing terrorist type working as an informant.
Guess it sexes up the headline a bit calling him an agent? No one would be surprised at scum acting like scum, though they might be at the protection he gets.
If he's working for us as an informant/spy then he would be an agent.Guess it sexes up the headline a bit calling him an agent? No one would be surprised at scum acting like scum, though they might be at the protection he gets.
If he's a civil servant working at MI5 then he would be an intelligence officer (or similar title).
Hollywood generally gets it wrong
98elise said:
If he's working for us as an informant/spy then he would be an agent.
If he's a civil servant working at MI5 then he would be an intelligence officer (or similar title).
Hollywood generally gets it wrong
While that might be true, it's not how the vast majority would interpret it.If he's a civil servant working at MI5 then he would be an intelligence officer (or similar title).
Hollywood generally gets it wrong
Calling him an informant or similar removes the ambiguity.
gotoPzero said:
As others have said, he is not an actual officer he is an informant.
Massive difference. As usual pretty disappointing from the media in reporting, having the good name of our great British spooks and boffins and sneaky beaky types being dragged through the mud like this.
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