Motorways - increasingly hostile
Discussion
Opinions welcome but are driving standards in the UK plummeting even lower?
Having had a lovely week holiday in Scotland Ive spent 5h on our wonderful motorway network this evening wishing I had some kind of weapon which could vaporise t0ssers leaving no trace of either them or more importantly anything traceable back to me
Pet hate 1 is obvs MLM/Lane3w
kers who have utterly no common sense and spacial awareness leading to tailbacks of peeps wishing to get past them and considerable numbers of impatient wkers who just floor it and take to lane 1 or the hard shoulder to get past then barge in without thought to lanes 2 or 3 usually leading to panic braking and more bunching of the traffic streamPet hate 2 and my peak irritation - others are available - id self entitled Lane 3 royalty
OK, Im in Lane 2 overtaking a constant stream of nose to tail HGVs doing 55mph. My cruise control is set at 70mph exactly and Im approaching a car in Lane 2 doing 65 which I obvs need to overtake.
Its clear to overtake as Lane 3 is available and although I can see a car approaching its far more than 2 seconds away there is plenty of space for me to safely pull out. Except that whilst Im in Lane 3 finishing my overtake and well after 2 seconds have elapsed the car which TBH is exceeding the speed limit which may not necessarily be relevant will have inevitably attached itself to my rear bumper and is now angrily flashing its lights, sounding its horn and the driver is waving his/her fist at me
How do the rest of you proceed in these circumstances?
Meekly stay in Lane 2 and reduce your speed or pull out in perfectly good time but incur the wrath of angrys who think Lane 3 is their own private fast track lane?
Cheers
numtumfutunch said:
Opinions welcome but are driving standards in the UK plummeting even lower?
Having had a lovely week holiday in Scotland Ive spent 5h on our wonderful motorway network this evening wishing I had some kind of weapon which could vaporise t0ssers leaving no trace of either them or more importantly anything traceable back to me
Pet hate 1 is obvs MLM/Lane3wkers who have utterly no common sense and spacial awareness leading to tailbacks of peeps wishing to get past them and considerable numbers of impatient wkers who just floor it and take to lane 1 or the hard shoulder to get past then barge in without thought to lanes 2 or 3 usually leading to panic braking and more bunching of the traffic stream
Pet hate 2 and my peak irritation - others are available - id self entitled Lane 3 royalty
OK, Im in Lane 2 overtaking a constant stream of nose to tail HGVs doing 55mph. My cruise control is set at 70mph exactly and Im approaching a car in Lane 2 doing 65 which I obvs need to overtake.
Its clear to overtake as Lane 3 is available and although I can see a car approaching its far more than 2 seconds away there is plenty of space for me to safely pull out. Except that whilst Im in Lane 3 finishing my overtake and well after 2 seconds have elapsed the car which TBH is exceeding the speed limit which may not necessarily be relevant will have inevitably attached itself to my rear bumper and is now angrily flashing its lights, sounding its horn and the driver is waving his/her fist at me
How do the rest of you proceed in these circumstances?
Meekly stay in Lane 2 and reduce your speed or pull out in perfectly good time but incur the wrath of angrys who think Lane 3 is their own private fast track lane?
Cheers
Taking the bait here. Having had a lovely week holiday in Scotland Ive spent 5h on our wonderful motorway network this evening wishing I had some kind of weapon which could vaporise t0ssers leaving no trace of either them or more importantly anything traceable back to me
Pet hate 1 is obvs MLM/Lane3w
kers who have utterly no common sense and spacial awareness leading to tailbacks of peeps wishing to get past them and considerable numbers of impatient wkers who just floor it and take to lane 1 or the hard shoulder to get past then barge in without thought to lanes 2 or 3 usually leading to panic braking and more bunching of the traffic streamPet hate 2 and my peak irritation - others are available - id self entitled Lane 3 royalty
OK, Im in Lane 2 overtaking a constant stream of nose to tail HGVs doing 55mph. My cruise control is set at 70mph exactly and Im approaching a car in Lane 2 doing 65 which I obvs need to overtake.
Its clear to overtake as Lane 3 is available and although I can see a car approaching its far more than 2 seconds away there is plenty of space for me to safely pull out. Except that whilst Im in Lane 3 finishing my overtake and well after 2 seconds have elapsed the car which TBH is exceeding the speed limit which may not necessarily be relevant will have inevitably attached itself to my rear bumper and is now angrily flashing its lights, sounding its horn and the driver is waving his/her fist at me
How do the rest of you proceed in these circumstances?
Meekly stay in Lane 2 and reduce your speed or pull out in perfectly good time but incur the wrath of angrys who think Lane 3 is their own private fast track lane?
Cheers
If you pulled out in front of a car causing it to slow down then you're in the wrong. The priority should be for the car already established in the lane regardless of your speed or how much over the limit they are driving.
If you wish to move into another lane then you should make sure it’s clear without disrupting other traffic? The speed they are doing is not relevant, you should stay in your lane and slow, wait for a suitable gap then pull out and complete ‘your’ manoeuvre
As always, apply some common sense too
As always, apply some common sense too
If I clearly can't be out, past and back in without causing faster moving traffic to slow down then I don't do it. At times that is difficult admittedly, eg on the A14 before the average cams sometimes you could start an overtake past a camel train of nose to tail heavies, absolutely nothing behind, but before reached the front there would be a 120mph merchant bearing down. They could just FRO.
Clearly there are some, possibly dash cam wkers, who though you are able to make the pass without any effect on them, as soon as they see the signal and move commencing then immediately floor it to create a 'situation'.
Those people need vaporising along with the ones, mostly seen in heavy traffic in average camera reduced speed sections, who deliberately play a game to block people in from changing lanes. Sitting alongside plus speeding up or slowing down in order to continue the block. They need high voltage electrodes attached to intimate areas and then vaporising.
Clearly there are some, possibly dash cam w
kers, who though you are able to make the pass without any effect on them, as soon as they see the signal and move commencing then immediately floor it to create a 'situation'.Those people need vaporising along with the ones, mostly seen in heavy traffic in average camera reduced speed sections, who deliberately play a game to block people in from changing lanes. Sitting alongside plus speeding up or slowing down in order to continue the block. They need high voltage electrodes attached to intimate areas and then vaporising.
car user said:
Taking the bait here.
If you pulled out in front of a car causing it to slow down then you're in the wrong. The priority should be for the car already established in the lane regardless of your speed or how much over the limit they are driving.
I have to say, if I can see an approaching car is going to be slowed down by me pulling into their lane then I just wait for them to pass. Isn’t that what considerate drivers do? It’s just sIf you pulled out in front of a car causing it to slow down then you're in the wrong. The priority should be for the car already established in the lane regardless of your speed or how much over the limit they are driving.
t driving to pull out and fail to anticipate the speed of traffic approaching from behind - regardless of whether the other car is speeding. Don’t come back to Scotland if you pull out at 68mph to overtake and then sit at that speed overtaking. Just like 2 lorries elephant racing.
Let the car go by( you said you seen it coming up fast behind) , so stay in your lane for 20s then move out, perform your slow overtake and everyone is happy. No stress, no stramash.
Your blood pressure will be lower as will the guy behind you.
You then will get even less annoyed as you won’t come on here and get slated for your bad driving, which will get you even more annoyed
Let the car go by( you said you seen it coming up fast behind) , so stay in your lane for 20s then move out, perform your slow overtake and everyone is happy. No stress, no stramash.
Your blood pressure will be lower as will the guy behind you.
You then will get even less annoyed as you won’t come on here and get slated for your bad driving, which will get you even more annoyed
Il either wait for the faster car in lane 3 to pass or just give the right pedal a squeeze to complete my overtake quicker, which is what I’d do anyway if I was only going a few mph more than them.
But on the flip side If I’m cruising at a speed more than the limit and catch someone doing the limit then I can’t complain imo and I wouldn’t start flashing etc unless they literally pulled out right in front causing me to harshly brake.
But on the flip side If I’m cruising at a speed more than the limit and catch someone doing the limit then I can’t complain imo and I wouldn’t start flashing etc unless they literally pulled out right in front causing me to harshly brake.
Edited by Glenn63 on Sunday 29th May 22:43
Crumpet said:
car user said:
Taking the bait here.
If you pulled out in front of a car causing it to slow down then you're in the wrong. The priority should be for the car already established in the lane regardless of your speed or how much over the limit they are driving.
I have to say, if I can see an approaching car is going to be slowed down by me pulling into their lane then I just wait for them to pass. Isn’t that what considerate drivers do? It’s just sIf you pulled out in front of a car causing it to slow down then you're in the wrong. The priority should be for the car already established in the lane regardless of your speed or how much over the limit they are driving.
t driving to pull out and fail to anticipate the speed of traffic approaching from behind - regardless of whether the other car is speeding. i was always taught this. its basic highway code. you shouldn't have to cause someone that's 'in priority' to have to stop/slowdown or change direction. Thats a minor, in some cases can be a major on a driving test.
JmatthewB said:
I have seen self confessed MLM defending their habit by claiming that if they are going 70mph then there is no reason for anyone to overtake them.
but ''always keep to the leftmost lane except for when overtaking''the only time I break this rule (and when the motorway isnt busy) is when there's a slip road coming up. I'll move out of lane 1, to lane 2. giving stress free access for someone to enter the motorway without impacting my progress
The only time I ever flash my lights (or indicate right) in lane 3 is if the car in front has a clear lane 2 and IMO has not noticed. Just because I might want to make some progress does not mean that I should behave aggressively to someone driving to the speed limit in lane 3 in front of me. I drive a 2001 Defender and often get people behind me being aggressive because (a) they can't see past me to see the car in front that is keeping me at the speed I'm at, or (b) can't believe a Defender might actually be waiting to accelerate to 70 or just beyond. Mine is remapped so is quite capable of exceeding motorway speeds if I want to. I generally don't want to... as it has no ABS or anything else vaguely safety related!
However I behave the same way when I'm in the RS6. There's not much worse than an aggressive twot tailgating or flashing. Life is too short to behave like that.
However I behave the same way when I'm in the RS6. There's not much worse than an aggressive twot tailgating or flashing. Life is too short to behave like that.
Glenn63 said:
Il either wait for the faster car in lane 3 to pass or just give the right pedal a squeeze to complete my overtake quicker, which is what I’d do anyway if I was only going a few mph more than them.
But on the flip side If I’m cruising at a speed more than the limit and catch someone doing the limit then I can’t complain imo and I wouldn’t start flashing etc unless they literally pulled out right in front causing me to harshly brake.
Completely agree But on the flip side If I’m cruising at a speed more than the limit and catch someone doing the limit then I can’t complain imo and I wouldn’t start flashing etc unless they literally pulled out right in front causing me to harshly brake.
Edited by Glenn63 on Sunday 29th May 22:43
numtumfutunch said:
My cruise control is set at 70mph exactly and Im approaching a car in Lane 2 doing 65 which I obvs need to overtake.
There's your problem. Overtaking at 70 would be OK if lane 3 behind you is clear, but in the scenario you described, pulling into lane 3 at 70, with faster cars approaching close behind also demonstrates a lack of common sense and spatial awareness.
If you are looking for advice, in your scenario, I would either wait for a larger gap in lane 3 so that you don't baulk approaching vehicles, or speed up momentarily to complete the overtake in a shorter time, again so that you don't baulk approaching vehicles.
ambuletz said:
Crumpet said:
car user said:
Taking the bait here.
If you pulled out in front of a car causing it to slow down then you're in the wrong. The priority should be for the car already established in the lane regardless of your speed or how much over the limit they are driving.
I have to say, if I can see an approaching car is going to be slowed down by me pulling into their lane then I just wait for them to pass. Isn’t that what considerate drivers do? It’s just sIf you pulled out in front of a car causing it to slow down then you're in the wrong. The priority should be for the car already established in the lane regardless of your speed or how much over the limit they are driving.
t driving to pull out and fail to anticipate the speed of traffic approaching from behind - regardless of whether the other car is speeding. i was always taught this. its basic highway code. you shouldn't have to cause someone that's 'in priority' to have to stop/slowdown or change direction. Thats a minor, in some cases can be a major on a driving test.
I don't know but most people don't seem to use indicators to precede a maneuver, more often it's whilst performing the maneuver... I blame the 3 blinks tap myself.
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