Hammersmith Resident Zone Infringement (not parking)
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Hi
Firstly, apologies if this has been covered before, I did search but the engine isn't that good so I got no results.
Yesterday I received two infringement notices in the post from Hammersmith and Fullham council. Basically, I was driving on a "residents" only street (Imperial Road). I got done in both directions as I was driving a friend of mine to his parking garage at the end of that road to replace the battery in his 911 (the fines are an hour apart). 130 quid each with the usual 50% discount for paying in 14 days so 65 each if I do that.
I obviously didn't realise at the time so checked on Google maps afterwards and can see the signs. However, at the time I would have been looking at the road rather than checking some obscure sign to see whether the road I was driving on was somehow off limits for non-residents. The sign itself isn't that obvious, I mean it has a camera notification but as I wasn't speeding I wouldn't have paid too much attention to it. In my opinion, if a road is restricted use they should make it very obvious, such as painting the road surface or putting clear markings on it like they do with bus lanes.
I get why they might restrict roads as sat nav apps are creating rat runs through otherwise quiet streets. But, they should make it more obvious that you are entering a restricted zone. Surely they'd rather people be looking out for kids running onto the road chasing balls instead of looking for road signs telling them not to use an otherwise normal road?
Anyone had any luck appealing this sort of revenue raising scam?
Firstly, apologies if this has been covered before, I did search but the engine isn't that good so I got no results.
Yesterday I received two infringement notices in the post from Hammersmith and Fullham council. Basically, I was driving on a "residents" only street (Imperial Road). I got done in both directions as I was driving a friend of mine to his parking garage at the end of that road to replace the battery in his 911 (the fines are an hour apart). 130 quid each with the usual 50% discount for paying in 14 days so 65 each if I do that.
I obviously didn't realise at the time so checked on Google maps afterwards and can see the signs. However, at the time I would have been looking at the road rather than checking some obscure sign to see whether the road I was driving on was somehow off limits for non-residents. The sign itself isn't that obvious, I mean it has a camera notification but as I wasn't speeding I wouldn't have paid too much attention to it. In my opinion, if a road is restricted use they should make it very obvious, such as painting the road surface or putting clear markings on it like they do with bus lanes.
I get why they might restrict roads as sat nav apps are creating rat runs through otherwise quiet streets. But, they should make it more obvious that you are entering a restricted zone. Surely they'd rather people be looking out for kids running onto the road chasing balls instead of looking for road signs telling them not to use an otherwise normal road?
Anyone had any luck appealing this sort of revenue raising scam?
Your friend should have registered a visitors permit for you.
https://www.lbhf.gov.uk/transport-and-roads/south-...
If he didn’t do that and didn’t warn you, then he’s a dick and you should send him the bill
https://www.lbhf.gov.uk/transport-and-roads/south-...
If he didn’t do that and didn’t warn you, then he’s a dick and you should send him the bill
k left wing 1984 bMy MiL got 3 tickets in the same area as you two hours apart about a year ago. She actually paid the fines (against my advice, I said she should appeal before paying) then wrote to them and was reimbursed fully.
Good luck, I agree it is simply not clear enough and that includes those that have driven in London many years and then find this stuff sneaked on in places you might not have been for a while.
Good luck, I agree it is simply not clear enough and that includes those that have driven in London many years and then find this stuff sneaked on in places you might not have been for a while.
I recently got a ticket for driving down a restricted street in Chiswick on a Saturday afternoon.
I didn’t notice any signs at the time and obviously if they had been more prominent I wouldn’t have continued down that street.
I went online and there are hundreds of complaints about people getting caught out driving down these restricted streets.
It’s a scandal and an absolute disgrace that the council are knowingly catching out thousands of unsuspecting motorists in this way.
I don’t have the time to deal with the hassle of making an appeal (which I would fully expect to lose anyway), so I paid my £65 like a sheep, which I acknowledge only emboldens these thieves to maintain the status quo. I expect most of those entrapped in this way do the same.
I didn’t notice any signs at the time and obviously if they had been more prominent I wouldn’t have continued down that street.
I went online and there are hundreds of complaints about people getting caught out driving down these restricted streets.
It’s a scandal and an absolute disgrace that the council are knowingly catching out thousands of unsuspecting motorists in this way.
I don’t have the time to deal with the hassle of making an appeal (which I would fully expect to lose anyway), so I paid my £65 like a sheep, which I acknowledge only emboldens these thieves to maintain the status quo. I expect most of those entrapped in this way do the same.
I agree these are unusual, and similar schemes have caught out some of my staff in company vehicles, but the No Motor Vehicles sign is not new and there is prior warning further up the road
On a 20mph road, these should be enough, I would have thought...
Warning 200 yds before
Start of zone
On a 20mph road, these should be enough, I would have thought...
Warning 200 yds before
Start of zone
Typically the no motor vehicles sign is used at an entrance to a footpath/bridal way, or perhaps at the start of an obviously pedestrianised or bus only high street.
To just see a no motor vehicles red circle on a "normal" road is probably unexpected for most drivers, as they usually accompany an obvious change in the road type.
This is something drivers will have to get used to no doubt. Even fierce political resistance against some recent traffic schemes in London made little difference.
The idea of the road network being some large, joined up inalienable asset will just have to be reset.
To just see a no motor vehicles red circle on a "normal" road is probably unexpected for most drivers, as they usually accompany an obvious change in the road type.
This is something drivers will have to get used to no doubt. Even fierce political resistance against some recent traffic schemes in London made little difference.
The idea of the road network being some large, joined up inalienable asset will just have to be reset.
I think there is a similar one in Clapham on Crescent Lane, midway down the road.
I was going down it for the first time - sat nav took me through and I saw the sign and recognised it but it was only restricted at certain times (two periods throughout the day).
It took me a little while to work out the current time I was at and if it was allowed to do so. I had slowed right down because I was a little unsure. It occurred to me how absurd this was as actually I don't think I had a choice to suddenly back out of it as it was mid way down the road. Also I was lucky that there was only a taxi driver behind me who must've been a bit annoyed that I suddenly slowed to read and decipher the sign.
Driving in London has got really hard recently and I'm not sure if I've got done about 3 times on my travels yesterday! I also went straight ahead at a traffic light junction somewhere (forget where) and I immediately felt a bit funny because there was a huge load of cars and every single.one of them turned right! I didn't see a no straight ahead sign or no entry or anything like that but it made me feel a bit suspicious about it all...
I was going down it for the first time - sat nav took me through and I saw the sign and recognised it but it was only restricted at certain times (two periods throughout the day).
It took me a little while to work out the current time I was at and if it was allowed to do so. I had slowed right down because I was a little unsure. It occurred to me how absurd this was as actually I don't think I had a choice to suddenly back out of it as it was mid way down the road. Also I was lucky that there was only a taxi driver behind me who must've been a bit annoyed that I suddenly slowed to read and decipher the sign.
Driving in London has got really hard recently and I'm not sure if I've got done about 3 times on my travels yesterday! I also went straight ahead at a traffic light junction somewhere (forget where) and I immediately felt a bit funny because there was a huge load of cars and every single.one of them turned right! I didn't see a no straight ahead sign or no entry or anything like that but it made me feel a bit suspicious about it all...
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