RE: Government scraps plug-in buying grant
RE: Government scraps plug-in buying grant
Monday 13th June 2022

Government scraps plug in buying grant

No more plug-in perks for new car buyers from today as focus switches to charging infrastructure


Having recently been reduced to £1,500, the Government’s plug-in car grant has now been scrapped entirely. Introduced in 2011, the grant orginally offered £5,000 off eligible hybrid vehicles to encourage buyers into cleaner transport. (Assuming they plugged their car in, of course, but that’s a discussion for another time.) A lowering of the price threshold had already seen the number of eligible EVs drastically reduced, but today the Government has confirmed that it will end the discount with immediate effect.

Instead £300m of grant money will now be allocated to extending plug-in benefits for taxi, bike, van and truck buyers, while the private buyer apparently stands to benefit from a planned expansion in public charging spots. They’ll be needed - there were 39,000 EV registrations in the UK in March, more than the whole of 2019, and the government’s stated plan is to have 10 times more on street chargers by 2030.

Having spent more than £1.4bn on the plug-in grant, the government’s research has shown it was “having less of an effect on demand”, though it might equally be said that the reduced amount of the grant did that. Having kickstarted the electric car revolution (the statement’s words, not ours), the plug-in grant has been retired permanently to instead refocus funding “towards the main barriers to the EV transition.” 

Transport Minister Trudy Harrison added: “We now want to use plug-in grants to match that success across other vehicle types, from taxis to delivery vans and everything in between, to help make the switch to zero emission travel cheaper and easier… We are continuing to lead the way in decarbonising transport, with generous government incentives still in place, while creating high-skilled jobs and cleaner air across the UK.” 

So, what does this mean for the customer? As with the previous reduction in funding, this has been sprung without much warning. The statement says that all applications in process will be honoured, and any car sold in the past two working days (where perhaps the application hasn’t yet been submitted) will be eligible. Otherwise, that’s it; a decade and a bit of plug-in discount - back in 2011, just 1,000 pure electric cars were sold in the UK - is finished.  

Given the advances in both technology and popularity of EVs since that time - almost 100,000 have been sold here in the first five months of 2022 - it’s perhaps no surprise the grant has been wound up. Though it does potentially make the case for all the plug-in hybrids a little harder to make for the private buyer. Did you benefit from the grant? Should the government continue to offer some sort of incentive - or is the electric vehicle (and its infrastructure) far enough advanced to make it redundant? Over to you - this one could run a little while… 


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Niffty951

Original Poster:

2,401 posts

259 months

Tuesday 14th June 2022
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Of course they did. Catching the early bird grants remained the only temptation to jump early before the vastly superior 800V plus architecture became the market default.

This settles my choice to wait it out. Now no reason to go electric right now.

What percentage of road registered cars are electric in the UK? I last heard 6%, I assumed there would be grants in place up to 15-20% to support the switch.

The balance of waiting and hoping to catch the last of the grants was always a risk

Edited by Niffty951 on Tuesday 14th June 10:39

GroundEffect

13,864 posts

187 months

Tuesday 14th June 2022
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Plug-in does not mean PHEV. The H means hybrid. You're thinking PEV.


Zumbruk

7,848 posts

291 months

Tuesday 14th June 2022
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Confused. Is this for hybrids or all electric cars? The Honda-e isn't a hybrid.

pb8g09

3,293 posts

100 months

Tuesday 14th June 2022
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It's clear the government see the motorist as a point of great income for them - hence the refusal to drop fuel duty and constant taxing of the motorist.

This is fine if you're trying to push an alternative but public transport in this country is also prohibitive compared to other countries - such as in Europe where trains are monumentally cheaper for commuters.

Boris can't keep having a go at the public for not wanting to return to the offices whilst at the same time the government continue to push transport into being some form of luxury travel for the wealthy rather than what ought to really be an affordable thing for all.

Town centres outside of London city are being turned into gentrified blocks of poorly architected and expensive flats at the expense of retail units and actual amenities which means we'll all end up having to travel further to get to large towns that actually have employers on the transport we can't afford!

simonrockman

7,128 posts

286 months

Tuesday 14th June 2022
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The headline is wrong. This isn't about hybrids at all.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/plug-in-grant-f...

silver st2

6 posts

214 months

Tuesday 14th June 2022
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The Grant only applied to cars up to £32000 anyway.. so only a few cars can claim anyway.. the prices might be re aligned now...

66HFM

882 posts

56 months

Tuesday 14th June 2022
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I can't help thinking a little notice.. e.g. end of July would have helped make some potential customers make the choice as to whether to purchase or not...

Not that it affects me but if I had an electric vehicle on order and was waiting for it to be delivered in a few months, would I still get my grant or is it only applicable for those that have now been registered...?

Not too sure what the incentive is now to move to electric, as the price of fuel is escalating and last time I looked my electric bill was only going one way...

RicksAlfas

14,584 posts

275 months

Tuesday 14th June 2022
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I'm not sure the author knows what they are on about.
nuts

LayZ

1,836 posts

273 months

Tuesday 14th June 2022
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Tbh I support them cutting this, it supports the most well-off anyway and it feels like EV adoption is in the escape-velocity zone. At £2/litre all but the richest who are looking for a new car is going to be seriously considering it .

CarCrazyDad

4,280 posts

66 months

Tuesday 14th June 2022
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silver st2 said:
The Grant only applied to cars up to £32000 anyway.. so only a few cars can claim anyway.. the prices might be re aligned now...
I would argue if you're in the financial position to buy a £32,000 you don't need £3,000 off

Many of the poorest and most hard working people don't even have a £3,000 car!

Same for company car users

If you are a 40% tax payer and you are important enough, and your company is wealthy enough to fund you a Tesla Model 3 / S / Y / X through the business as a company car, you should be paying a damn sight more than £80 per month on it!

EV's and low emission vehicles have been open tax dodges for a long time - completely legal of course, and I would also take full advantage myself. But what I'm saying is the hole shouldn't be there!

Zoon

7,306 posts

152 months

Tuesday 14th June 2022
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CarCrazyDad said:
If you are a 40% tax payer and you are important enough, and your company is wealthy enough to fund you a Tesla Model 3 / S / Y / X through the business as a company car, you should be paying a damn sight more than £80 per month on it!
Where do I get a Tesla for £80 a month?
Don’t forget the car will need funding via profits that will have incurred significant corporation tax. Not to mention the VAT incurred if the car is used for any private mileage. You are only including the monthly tax liability.

dibblecorse

7,662 posts

223 months

Tuesday 14th June 2022
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Zoon said:
CarCrazyDad said:
If you are a 40% tax payer and you are important enough, and your company is wealthy enough to fund you a Tesla Model 3 / S / Y / X through the business as a company car, you should be paying a damn sight more than £80 per month on it!
Where do I get a Tesla for £80 a month?
Don’t forget the car will need funding via profits that will have incurred significant corporation tax. Not to mention the VAT incurred if the car is used for any private mileage. You are only including the monthly tax liability.
Don't spoil a badly thought out and presented rant, its PH at its best lol ....

Silvanus

6,918 posts

54 months

Tuesday 14th June 2022
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About time too

CarCrazyDad

4,280 posts

66 months

Tuesday 14th June 2022
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Zoon said:
CarCrazyDad said:
If you are a 40% tax payer and you are important enough, and your company is wealthy enough to fund you a Tesla Model 3 / S / Y / X through the business as a company car, you should be paying a damn sight more than £80 per month on it!
Where do I get a Tesla for £80 a month?
Don’t forget the car will need funding via profits that will have incurred significant corporation tax. Not to mention the VAT incurred if the car is used for any private mileage. You are only including the monthly tax liability.
Easy to fudge private v business mileage

As for profits, you can easily use "the profits" to buy the car which reduces the profits - ergo reducing tax

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/money-mentor/story/tax-...
"I did it for my childrens health not for the £15,500 in tax I saved!"

https://comcar.co.uk/companycar/tax/calculation/?v...

You can call it a rant, don't act like it doesn't happen, and don't act like your Typical Tesla or premium EV owner needs any further incentives to save money , they're already in the top

Can't find the details to the UK but in the US
https://hedgescompany.com/blog/2018/11/tesla-owner...
Average Tesla owner household earns more than 2x the national average, I would imagine the average Tesla owner in the UK to be on at least £60,000 per annum (of course some less, some more) - if business owners then I'm sure they'll be on minimum wage smile





Edited by CarCrazyDad on Tuesday 14th June 12:01

Cold

16,742 posts

121 months

Tuesday 14th June 2022
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Not sure I was ever convinced the taxpayer needed to help fund an individual's luxury purchase.

SidewaysSi

10,742 posts

265 months

Tuesday 14th June 2022
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CarCrazyDad said:
Zoon said:
CarCrazyDad said:
If you are a 40% tax payer and you are important enough, and your company is wealthy enough to fund you a Tesla Model 3 / S / Y / X through the business as a company car, you should be paying a damn sight more than £80 per month on it!
Where do I get a Tesla for £80 a month?
Don’t forget the car will need funding via profits that will have incurred significant corporation tax. Not to mention the VAT incurred if the car is used for any private mileage. You are only including the monthly tax liability.
Easy to fudge private v business mileage

As for profits, you can easily use "the profits" to buy the car which reduces the profits - ergo reducing tax

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/money-mentor/story/tax-...
"I did it for my childrens health not for the £15,500 in tax I saved!"

https://comcar.co.uk/companycar/tax/calculation/?v...

You can call it a rant, don't act like it doesn't happen, and don't act like your Typical Tesla or premium EV owner needs any further incentives to save money , they're already in the top

Can't find the details to the UK but in the US
https://hedgescompany.com/blog/2018/11/tesla-owner...
Average Tesla owner household earns more than 2x the national average, I would imagine the average Tesla owner in the UK to be on at least £60,000 per annum (of course some less, some more) - if business owners then I'm sure they'll be on minimum wage smile





Edited by CarCrazyDad on Tuesday 14th June 12:01
Whoa there - and I thought the only reason people bought these cars was to save the environment?

To do my bit, I will be selling my Model S which I have had for 2 years and done about 3k miles in it to run the kids to school. Will be getting a Taycan for the same duties.

May run that for 5k miles or so then probably replace it with a FFRR when the electric version is available.

I can then laud it over the ICE parents at my local school about who is the greenest of them all...

smile

2ZZ Top

3,367 posts

170 months

Tuesday 14th June 2022
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That's a new low for PH news desk.

ntiz

2,689 posts

167 months

Tuesday 14th June 2022
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EV ownership has been in a false paradise for quite some time. It was never going to last.

By the time 2030 rolls round they won’t be a penny cheaper to run than an ICE.

It has been a bit of a joke that my father and I have put a couple of hundred thousands pound worth of cars through our company at pretty hilarious minimal cost. At one stage BIK was 0% personal cost to me negligible. It’s literally the only reason we bought Teslas we think they are terrible cars other than being cheap.

ate one too

2,914 posts

177 months

Tuesday 14th June 2022
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2ZZ Top said:
That's a new low for PH news desk.
PHEV = PistonHeadsElectricVehicles ... obviously smile

sidesauce

2,967 posts

249 months

Tuesday 14th June 2022
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ntiz said:
EV ownership has been in a false paradise for quite some time. It was never going to last.

By the time 2030 rolls round they won’t be a penny cheaper to run than an ICE.
Difference is the one can power their BEV themselves from sun or wind power - maybe not in the UK specifically but it IS an option that no ICE car could ever claim. Thus, by default they would be cheaper to run unless the government can tax sunlight and wind... and I'm sure they'd give it a damn good try!