BTL - Tenants allowed pets in proposed reforms
Discussion
98elise said:
Anything that increases costs across the board will push rents higher.
Personally I don't care if my Tenants have pets (some do). Mine are all long term and I'll fully refurb for a new tenant.
We have one tenant who asked to have a dog - to which we agreed as they decorate the house themselves and keep good.Personally I don't care if my Tenants have pets (some do). Mine are all long term and I'll fully refurb for a new tenant.
That said, we have a couple of places where i wouldn't be averse to them keeping pets - but rents "may" need to increase. Carpets / scratch marks on kitchen units & internal doors etc The damage all comes out of the deposit anyhow i suppose.
My tenants have got a couple of cats. They (the tenants, not the cats) have been in the house for 19 years now, so it seems a bit churlish to say they can't have a pet. I fully expect to have to change the carpets, paint, kitchen etc when/if they leave so a few extra cat hairs won't make a difference.
Sure I read something this morning that landlords can insist the tenant take out an insurance policy for any damage caused by their pet.
So instead of ‘no pets allowed’ will it be ‘pets allowed with insurance’ ?
Also, on the point of benefit claimants not being penalised for a private rent - surely they wouldn’t pass the affordability to rent?
Can a LL still refuse them?
So instead of ‘no pets allowed’ will it be ‘pets allowed with insurance’ ?
Also, on the point of benefit claimants not being penalised for a private rent - surely they wouldn’t pass the affordability to rent?
Can a LL still refuse them?
“We will give tenants the right to request a pet in their property, which the landlord must consider and cannot unreasonably refuse. We will also amend the Tenant Fees Act 2019 so that landlords can request that their tenants buy pet insurance.’
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/a-faire...
It’s not a right to have a pet, but a right to request to have a pet.
We occasionally allow small pets, but nothing that is likely to cause damage to property.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/a-faire...
It’s not a right to have a pet, but a right to request to have a pet.
We occasionally allow small pets, but nothing that is likely to cause damage to property.
A tenant of mine had a dog in a flat.
Barked all day keeping the neighbor up next door who worked nights.
Piss stains on carpets.
Chewed door frames.
Come poo time, he'd open front door and dog would run out and s
t in the communal area, where the bbq and seating/kids toys were.
Never cleared it up.
There are only bad landlords, no bad tenants it seems, according to the reforms.
Barked all day keeping the neighbor up next door who worked nights.
Piss stains on carpets.
Chewed door frames.
Come poo time, he'd open front door and dog would run out and s
t in the communal area, where the bbq and seating/kids toys were.Never cleared it up.
There are only bad landlords, no bad tenants it seems, according to the reforms.
philv said:
There are only bad landlords, no bad tenants it seems, according to the reforms.
This is the problem I have with these reforms - pendulum swinging too far towards the tenants.Not surprised really considering the concerted campaigns made by charities like Shelter over the years to go after the low hanging fruit of PS landlords rather than the large institutional, charity, council or social housing ones who seem to be able get away with murder - no mention in the article of the Salvation Army being prosecuted yet, I'm sure if it had been a PS landlord, he would have been dragged through the courts.
LooneyTunes said:
“We will give tenants the right to request a pet in their property, which the landlord must consider and cannot unreasonably refuse. We will also amend the Tenant Fees Act 2019 so that landlords can request that their tenants buy pet insurance.’
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/a-faire...
It’s not a right to have a pet, but a right to request to have a pet.
We occasionally allow small pets, but nothing that is likely to cause damage to property.
Wonder how they will define ‘cannot unreasonably refuse’ ?https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/a-faire...
It’s not a right to have a pet, but a right to request to have a pet.
We occasionally allow small pets, but nothing that is likely to cause damage to property.
LooneyTunes said:
“We will give tenants the right to request a pet in their property, which the landlord must consider and cannot unreasonably refuse. We will also amend the Tenant Fees Act 2019 so that landlords can request that their tenants buy pet insurance.’
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/a-faire...
It’s not a right to have a pet, but a right to request to have a pet.
We occasionally allow small pets, but nothing that is likely to cause damage to property.
How were they prevented from requesting it before?https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/a-faire...
It’s not a right to have a pet, but a right to request to have a pet.
We occasionally allow small pets, but nothing that is likely to cause damage to property.
Square Leg said:
LooneyTunes said:
“We will give tenants the right to request a pet in their property, which the landlord must consider and cannot unreasonably refuse. We will also amend the Tenant Fees Act 2019 so that landlords can request that their tenants buy pet insurance.’
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/a-faire...
It’s not a right to have a pet, but a right to request to have a pet.
We occasionally allow small pets, but nothing that is likely to cause damage to property.
Wonder how they will define ‘cannot unreasonably refuse’ ?https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/a-faire...
It’s not a right to have a pet, but a right to request to have a pet.
We occasionally allow small pets, but nothing that is likely to cause damage to property.
Budgie, goldfish, cat can't be reasonably refused.
A constantly barking dog may be a different matter.
markiii said:
They weren't it's playing to the gallery, in reality it changes nothing
Depends to a degree on the property. Sure, nobody was prevented from asking before (and many of them did) but “no pets” was easier than potentially getting into any discussion around whether a pack of not quite banned dogs was “reasonable” for the property. Won’t change much on mine in terms of which properties are suitable for various types of pet. mwstewart said:
Good to know about the insurance aspect - thanks folks.
Pet insurance isn’t going to cover the increased wear and tear that can be associated with some pets (either by them being there or by their owners not dealing with them properly). Instead you’re looking at higher rents and longer minimum tenancies to cover the increased wear and tear plus more intensive cleaning at changeovers.
LooneyTunes said:
mwstewart said:
Good to know about the insurance aspect - thanks folks.
Pet insurance isn’t going to cover the increased wear and tear that can be associated with some pets (either by them being there or by their owners not dealing with them properly). Instead you’re looking at higher rents and longer minimum tenancies to cover the increased wear and tear plus more intensive cleaning at changeovers.
I will however say that I am becoming less interested in renting properties. I like to be a good landlord and I've cut some trusted tenants serious slack over the past few years - including non payment for several months whilst finding jobs etc. It all worked out fine, but I don't like the way that the market/regulations are going so I'm becoming increasingly minded to review the whole situation.
I’m a landlord, we’ve got a cottage in quite an affluent part of Leicestershire and a load of flats/HMO’s in West Bridgford, Nottingham .
The cottage has had the same tenants in it for years - Two vets. They’ve got sphinx cats and some reptiles … I’d imagine the cats will have destroyed the carpets by now, last time I visited the stair carpet was threadbare.
I’d rather not allow the cats but they are good tenants, pay on time and to be honest I’m not mad on the carpets anyway - when they move out I’ll just take the carpets up and go back to wooden floors.
For the HMO’s and flats in Notts we allow small dogs but not cats - I find cats cause more damage, and finding rented property which does allow dogs is extremely difficult so we try and be flexible.
The cottage has had the same tenants in it for years - Two vets. They’ve got sphinx cats and some reptiles … I’d imagine the cats will have destroyed the carpets by now, last time I visited the stair carpet was threadbare.
I’d rather not allow the cats but they are good tenants, pay on time and to be honest I’m not mad on the carpets anyway - when they move out I’ll just take the carpets up and go back to wooden floors.
For the HMO’s and flats in Notts we allow small dogs but not cats - I find cats cause more damage, and finding rented property which does allow dogs is extremely difficult so we try and be flexible.
LooneyTunes said:
“We will give tenants the right to request a pet in their property, which the landlord must consider and cannot unreasonably refuse. We will also amend the Tenant Fees Act 2019 so that landlords can request that their tenants buy pet insurance.’
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/a-faire...
It’s not a right to have a pet, but a right to request to have a pet.
We occasionally allow small pets, but nothing that is likely to cause damage to property.
They can request what they wish. You can decide who you want as a tenant. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/a-faire...
It’s not a right to have a pet, but a right to request to have a pet.
We occasionally allow small pets, but nothing that is likely to cause damage to property.
I do not encourage tenants having pets cats & dogs, particularly in upper floor flats. Although my tenancy agreements state no pets, I have noticed that several tenants in differing ground floor flats do have cats and dogs etc. I am also presently having to deal with a barking dog from one of those flats, causing a nuisance, disturbance to adjoining neighbours
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