New Rav4 Hybrid or older diesel Evoque

[Scrubs]

Few thoughts on this please:


A 2019 diesel Land Rover Evoque


https://www.easternwestern.co.uk/lexus/used-vehicl...


or a 2021 Rav4 Hybrid Black Edition


https://westerndunfermline.usedcars.toyota.co.uk/e...






I have never owned a LR before in 20 years of car ownership and always liked the look of the Evoque. The LR reliability reputation side of things worries me a tad more than the Toyota, but that's only going on what you read and hear about them. Both cars are around the same price point. The Rav4 coming with an almost 5 year warranty and the Evoque now with just a 6 month warranty unless I pay extra for a 3rd party type one. Would prefer to stay away from diesel but the newer hybrid or petrol Evoque would be a bit out of budget just now.

Looks wise and badge snobbery wise the Evoque wins it, but I also do like the all black look of the Rav. Feel like I am really just talking to myself at this point but any sensible thoughts appreciated, especially on the Evoque.

My pros for the Evoque - Better looking, better interior, prob hold its value more? Cons are it's older and a diesel, and more chances of it being problematic?

My pros for the Rav4 - Still looks decent in all black, has a 5 (well 4 now) year warranty, and is a petrol hybrid so a bit more future proof. Cons are it's not quite as striking looking as the Evoque.

Thoughts?


EDIT: Just to add in, my work commute is 15 miles each way 3/4 times a week and the rest of the time it's usually shorter trips to shops and local places.

[ZX10R NIN]

It sounds like you might be better suited to the Rav4 journey wise or maybe a petrol Evoque?

2018 Autobiography 290 with a years warranty that you'll be able to extend:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202205125...

If a diesel works for you then I'd say have a good look at the diesel hybrid Hyundai Tucson as an alternative to the Rav4:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202202252...

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202203023...

Or for nearer the price of the two cars you listed you'll get a very nice diesel hybrid XC60 B5D R Design Pro, again a years warranty that you can extend:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202205145...

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202202011...

If you'd like a posher petrol hybrid than the RAV4 then there are some nice options.

Lexus NX F Sport as long as you have these serviced at Lexus you'll be able to warranty them for 10 years from when the car was registered:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202206106...

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202203304...



XC60 R Design:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202205246...

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202203173...

Edited by ZX10R NIN on Friday 17th June 22:00

[jaydeeuk1]

Lexus NX is an alternative. Think 2020 models got an improved infotainment system and traffic sign recognition. Basically it's a posh Rav4, but with a but more oomph. Premier / takumi spec is the one you want, comes with every toy you can think of as standard, think only the sunroof was an option.

Plus I believe you can extend warranty to 10 years if car is under 100k miles. A 10 year warranty on a LR would bankrupt jaguar

[Scrubs]

Cheers for the replies and links. Never really considered the Lexus as an alternative to the Rav. Going to have a look at a few of them now. More options the better I suppose!

[HaydenS2k]

Rav4 all the way and not even close.
I work for a Toyota dealer and we have a 68 Evoque that we've sold and been rejected twice now.
It has had endless electrical issues and has most recently returned with a clogged dpf which was an absolute mare if a job with 5 sensors in the exhaust and having to take the rear valance off just for clearance.
On top of that the Evoque is what I'd call a yummy mummy Mobil and has a serious image problem for any bloke.
Buy the rav and have 10 years trouble free motoring l. If you go for the phev it will 0-60 in 6 seconds flat too which is quite entertaining for a big old bus.

[ToastMan76]

HaydenS2k said:

Rav4 all the way and not even close.
I work for a Toyota dealer and we have a 68 Evoque that we've sold and been rejected twice now.
It has had endless electrical issues and has most recently returned with a clogged dpf which was an absolute mare if a job with 5 sensors in the exhaust and having to take the rear valance off just for clearance.
On top of that the Evoque is what I'd call a yummy mummy Mobil and has a serious image problem for any bloke.
Buy the rav and have 10 years trouble free motoring l. If you go for the phev it will 0-60 in 6 seconds flat too which is quite entertaining for a big old bus.

We were in this predicament ordering our new car with the choice between LR and Rav4 BE.

Lr pro’s - nice looking, plusher interior, ‘badge snobbery’
Negatives - unreliable, quite bland nowadays since so many people have them, quite girly, actually quite small internal space wise

Rav4 pros - better economy and a lush engine, bigger, decent spec
Cons - mmi is poor by todays standards, not a ‘premium’ badge

The Black Edition is a gorgeous looking car and what we had on order before Toyota unfortunately discontinued it! The engine drive was lovely and it effortlessly switches between electric and petrol in the hybrid. Its boring to say but the economy is one of the best without compromising performance in a medium SUV, and on a 15 mile commute is more practical than a diesel.

End of the day its down to what you like and what you need, go with your heart!

[cayman-black]

I love LR but out of those two the Rav 4 looks much better. Lexus looks nice too, a little slow maybe?

[M.F.D]

Rav 4 all day long. I wouldn't even consider the Evoque.

My wife previously had a Discovery Sport (shares many parts with the Evoque) and it was really unreliable. Luckily we had warranty for expensive fixes (£4000 steering rack replacement, £1250 rear camera replacement etc...) but dealing with JLR was pretty painful to say the least.

[troika]

Toyota, all day long.

[rosejem]

If in doubt go for the RAV4 , my brother in law had a 2.0 diesal Evoque & it needed a new turbo & EGR just after 3 years old . Foutuntley he had an extended warranty & Landrover covered the full cost.

To be fair it had been faultless till this & had covered nearly 70,000 mile mostly motorway work.

[Zippee]

We've owned our 64 plate evoque from new and covered 70k, been utterly reliable but dealer service is shocking.
We've been warned by those in the know to stay clear if the ingenium engines though. We'll be looking to change next year and we're likely going lexus, mainly due to the customer service from LR.

[Jaguar99]

JLR electrics are not great but worse than that are the Ingenium Diesel engines when fitted to cars with transverse engines (Evoque, Disco Sport, E-Pace) as they have a design flaw which messes up the DPF and (allegedly?) causes oil dilution.

I think Ingenium diesels are in Evoques from around 2017

Toyota is a more sensible and safer option - but so dull and Japanese car interiors still lack a certain something IMO. They are just a bit too hardy overall and in some areas have a hint of 80s/90s hifi

[georgeyboy12345]

Out of those two, I'd pick the Toyota too.

Can't believe I'm saying I'd pick a Rav4 over a Range Rover but there you go. It's the better car for what you need. Also has a better image too.

[ninjag]

RAV4 out of the two. A friend of mine had a Land Rover Evoque from new and couldn't wait to get rid. Constant problems and it would even completely shut down all electrics and power whilst on the motorway. Their dealerships and HQ aren't very good.

[gangzoom]

Scrubs said:

The LR reliability reputation side of things worries me a tad more than the Toyota

Surely that's one for understament of the year!!

Pop into any Lexus/Toyota forum and the discussions on 'reliability' is halirous. The most 'worrying' thing that comes up about our now 7 year old Lexus IS300H is...........the 12V battery!!!

Apparently Lexus think am mad not to keep a 12V trickle charger connected to it as our Lexus sometimes isn't used for weeks.

Given my other car is a Tesla (LR build quality), I have a slightly different take on reliability 'worries', oh our Lexus is still on its original factory 12V battery and starts fine even after been left for 2-3 weeks at a time, and in 7 years I haven't ever needed to even top up the oil let alone get anything on it fixed .

Edited by gangzoom on Sunday 19th June 06:06

[troika]

I’d never touch another LR but would also be wary of one being sold by a Lexus dealer. Chances are the owner got fed up and swapped it for something which works properly.

[jaydeeuk1]

troika said:

I’d never touch another LR but would also be wary of one being sold by a Lexus dealer. Chances are the owner got fed up and swapped it for something which works properly.

Tbf that's pretty much how it looks.

Down the golf club, moaning to his mate that his LR is a bag of st and they can't fix issues, and coming up to end of warranty. Mate says his LC has been bullet proof, and only needs the bonnet lifting during its service. Monday morning, drives to nearest lexus dealer and trades it for an RX.

[M.F.D]

troika said:

I’d never touch another LR but would also be wary of one being sold by a Lexus dealer. Chances are the owner got fed up and swapped it for something which works properly.

This, says it all IMO.

[Silvanus]

Think I'd be looking at a Kia or Mazda