Early 991 - things to look out for, mileage related work?
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Hi, I'm currently mulling over swapping my wife's C43 estate for an early 991. Currently run two estates as dailies (mine is a 340i) and don't really need to do that these days (more wfh, fewer dogs to cart about etc). As such we really only need one. May as well then get something more special as the other daily (keeping the BMW as I prefer it, it's a bit newer, better equipped etc).
An early 991 would fit the bill nicely. Only needs to be a Carrera rather than an S. Has to be PDK and have sensible "daily driver" options so bum warmers nav, etc. Anything like PASM etc a nice bonus.
Looking at prices high £40s to early £50s seems to be a weird crossover point currently between nice low miles Gen 2 997s and early 991s. The 991 appeals more simply due to the more modern platform, tech etc given the intended use.
At those prices the 991s are typically somewhere around 40k miles up. Obviously they don't have the much talked about (and overblown) engine issues of Gen 1 997s and the like but I'm just wondering what else to look for, known weaknesses, big ticket mileage related maintenance work that might be required etc. Looked at a couple of buyers guides but they all seem to offer pretty generic info so thought I'd ask here.
An early 991 would fit the bill nicely. Only needs to be a Carrera rather than an S. Has to be PDK and have sensible "daily driver" options so bum warmers nav, etc. Anything like PASM etc a nice bonus.
Looking at prices high £40s to early £50s seems to be a weird crossover point currently between nice low miles Gen 2 997s and early 991s. The 991 appeals more simply due to the more modern platform, tech etc given the intended use.
At those prices the 991s are typically somewhere around 40k miles up. Obviously they don't have the much talked about (and overblown) engine issues of Gen 1 997s and the like but I'm just wondering what else to look for, known weaknesses, big ticket mileage related maintenance work that might be required etc. Looked at a couple of buyers guides but they all seem to offer pretty generic info so thought I'd ask here.
Nice position to be in, I was in a similar one and went for a 997.2 as it seemed to have less of a reputation for big bills than the 997.1 and was a tad smaller and more direct steer plus I wanted an NA engine ....
If you are looking for a little more luxury and use it as a GT car mainly that you can wring the neck out of occasionally and don't have a preference for NA or not, then I'd go 991.
If you are looking for a little more luxury and use it as a GT car mainly that you can wring the neck out of occasionally and don't have a preference for NA or not, then I'd go 991.
Benmac said:
I'm just wondering what else to look for, known weaknesses, big ticket mileage related maintenance work that might be required etc. Looked at a couple of buyers guides but they all seem to offer pretty generic info so thought I'd ask here.
The usual items that most Porsche cars seem to suffer with, under body parts that corrode that won't be covered under warranty such as brackets, heat shields, some suspension components etc etc. These can add up to approx. £3k if all need doing at once (OPC Quote) or half that at an Indy.Defo worth getting an inspection done on any car (circa £200-300), will probably pick up on a few things you can use to negotiate on so it will most likely pay for itself and give you some level of peace of mind.
I love the 997 era cars, but for a daily would be inclined to go for a 991.
PASM and PSE are worth having on a base Carrera if you can find one with these options. The PASM gives you -20mm in ride height which looks way better IMO.
Bear in mind as well, that Porsche will warranty their cars up to 15 years old - and once you've owned the car 3 months, will allow it to be inspected and put back into under warranty. Also keep an eye on the private ads, as some cars will be up for sale with warranties on - and as the warranty is on the car, it will move with the sale. (I sold a 991.1 last year with 16 months warranty left on it).
JamesW said:
Bear in mind as well, that Porsche will warranty their cars up to 15 years old - and once you've owned the car 3 months, will allow it to be inspected and put back into under warranty. Also keep an eye on the private ads, as some cars will be up for sale with warranties on - and as the warranty is on the car, it will move with the sale. (I sold a 991.1 last year with 16 months warranty left on it).
Useful stuff all, thanks. Just seen on the warranty front that the official Porsche used warranty is 24months which (checking the exact cover provided notwithstanding) would justify the higher prices charged over a decent specialist.I just bought an approved 991.1 as I wanted a NA car.
The OPC added on the 24 months warranty onto the remainder of the warranty already on the car via previous owner, so I have managed to get 2 years and 8 months warranty!
I think it is great - I test drove a 992 Carrera but was a bit underwhelmed by it for the money. The 991.1 howls and makes you smile when ‘on chat’. A nice amount of useable power as well.
The OPC added on the 24 months warranty onto the remainder of the warranty already on the car via previous owner, so I have managed to get 2 years and 8 months warranty!
I think it is great - I test drove a 992 Carrera but was a bit underwhelmed by it for the money. The 991.1 howls and makes you smile when ‘on chat’. A nice amount of useable power as well.
Well to draw this one to a close I've bought one, or at least agreed to. From RPM Tecnik who seem a good bunch.
2012 Carrera PDK, Dark blue, PASM, Sports exhaust, Sport Chrono, Cruise, Sports wheel with the paddles, 20" sport classic wheels, 14 months of remaining official Porsche warranty.
Sorted!
2012 Carrera PDK, Dark blue, PASM, Sports exhaust, Sport Chrono, Cruise, Sports wheel with the paddles, 20" sport classic wheels, 14 months of remaining official Porsche warranty.
Sorted!
Benmac said:
Well to draw this one to a close I've bought one, or at least agreed to. From RPM Tecnik who seem a good bunch.
2012 Carrera PDK, Dark blue, PASM, Sports exhaust, Sport Chrono, Cruise, Sports wheel with the paddles, 20" sport classic wheels, 14 months of remaining official Porsche warranty.
Sorted!
Congratulations, gorgeous looking car and very well specced.... and RPM are a fantastic bunch of people.2012 Carrera PDK, Dark blue, PASM, Sports exhaust, Sport Chrono, Cruise, Sports wheel with the paddles, 20" sport classic wheels, 14 months of remaining official Porsche warranty.
Sorted!
Enjoy
RPM Technik are a quality outfit and a pleasure to deal with.
I sold my 991.2 through them last year and they made sure it was near-perfect for resale even though they already had a buyer for it. They really went through it with a fine toothcomb.
I then bought my GT3 through them a couple of months later and could not have been happier with the result.
I sold my 991.2 through them last year and they made sure it was near-perfect for resale even though they already had a buyer for it. They really went through it with a fine toothcomb.
I then bought my GT3 through them a couple of months later and could not have been happier with the result.
Collected it on Wednesday. The RPM Technik set up is amazing, the 2 Carrera GTs paled into insignificance next to the two 959s they had there.
Anyway, my 991 is fabulous, really pleased with it. Just feels "right" in all regards and I felt at home in it within only a few miles. While only the C2 I'm pleased with the pace it has and the fact you have to work it a bit to get it only adds to the fun. Also, helpfully I was surprised just how comfortable it is loping along, the seats are great. Key benefit though is my wife already utterly adores it. She was sad to see the C43 go and was a touch sceptical and her liking it as much as she does justifies my man maths element of the purchase in stopping her wanting to drive some of my other things quite so much.
Anyway, my 991 is fabulous, really pleased with it. Just feels "right" in all regards and I felt at home in it within only a few miles. While only the C2 I'm pleased with the pace it has and the fact you have to work it a bit to get it only adds to the fun. Also, helpfully I was surprised just how comfortable it is loping along, the seats are great. Key benefit though is my wife already utterly adores it. She was sad to see the C43 go and was a touch sceptical and her liking it as much as she does justifies my man maths element of the purchase in stopping her wanting to drive some of my other things quite so much.
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