Murder in The Alps
Discussion
LimaDelta said:
Is that the one where they killed the cyclist/witness?
yes.nothing new so far, while the brother appears unlikeable and strange and is still
denying there was a rift over an inheritance I don't think he's capable of arranging a hit
from the UK.
why Saad took his work papers and laptop on holiday is strange, the cyclist
who was killed is coming under more scrutiny, in that he might have been the target and
and the Ah-Hillis were in the wrong place at the wrong time.
the overpowering music is fit for a slasher movie , not a documentary.
Looking forward to watching this, been fascinated by it especially since we holiday in Annecy most years and I've cycled this very road myself.
There were some insane links between all the parties involved I remember reading about, but never sure on the credibility when you read it on the internet, so many amateur crime solvers online put two and two together and get 350.
Anything ground breaking?
There were some insane links between all the parties involved I remember reading about, but never sure on the credibility when you read it on the internet, so many amateur crime solvers online put two and two together and get 350.
Anything ground breaking?
Hmmmm? Just watched it.
One thing I always thought odd. It was a completely random / last minute decision by the family to go to France on holiday when they did.
Even more so, to be on that road / track where they were assassinated. It would have been very hard I guess for a hit man to know or anticipate their movements.
The French cyclist on the other hand?
The notion that Saiid took important docs / IT equipment on holiday as being unusual ?
I always take my Shotgun cabinet keys on holiday with me, just because it’s security - more safe.
The murder weapon also? An ancient Luger?
Casings left lying all over the place, 20-odd shots let off - 4 victims?
Professional hit?
Not a bad documentary and worth a watch, whether it will ever be solved is a whole different matter!
Certainly the French Police spear to have been rather sloppy in a few areas .
One thing I always thought odd. It was a completely random / last minute decision by the family to go to France on holiday when they did.
Even more so, to be on that road / track where they were assassinated. It would have been very hard I guess for a hit man to know or anticipate their movements.
The French cyclist on the other hand?
The notion that Saiid took important docs / IT equipment on holiday as being unusual ?
I always take my Shotgun cabinet keys on holiday with me, just because it’s security - more safe.
The murder weapon also? An ancient Luger?
Casings left lying all over the place, 20-odd shots let off - 4 victims?
Professional hit?
Not a bad documentary and worth a watch, whether it will ever be solved is a whole different matter!
Certainly the French Police spear to have been rather sloppy in a few areas .
Edited by Jim H on Tuesday 28th June 14:54
Jim H said:
Certainly the French Police spear to have been rather sloppy in a few areas .
Massive understatement. Inspector Cluseau could've done a better job. I mean the passports? And getting the wrong brother tied to the calls to Romania.FFS
And the apparent outright unwilligness to delve too deep into the Schutz/Mollier angle. Makes you wonder if it's more than just racism and jingoism behind their approach or whether there's something more to it. It seemed the prosecutor wanted to make it clear that he was directed by the investigating judge...
Definitely a lot of things that don't add up. I just don't believe the investigators were that incompetent and they even waited 8 hours for a more specialised team to come down from Paris.
I don't believe the brother was directly involved but I do believe he knows something about his brother than he let on, was he a spy, I guess we'll never know. However how many people go on a caravan holiday to France with their family and bring sensitive documents with them, material that he wasn't supposed to have.
I don't believe the brother was directly involved but I do believe he knows something about his brother than he let on, was he a spy, I guess we'll never know. However how many people go on a caravan holiday to France with their family and bring sensitive documents with them, material that he wasn't supposed to have.
You have to be a bit careful with documentaries like this as you often find they are based on books/theories by the people interviewed in them so they aren't impartial.
Mollier being the target does make a lot of sense and the French never seam to miss an opportunity to have a go at the Brits but the history of the al-Hilli family is a complex one to say the least.
The wikipedia page lists even more possibilities than the documentary highlighted:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annecy_shootings
Mollier being the target does make a lot of sense and the French never seam to miss an opportunity to have a go at the Brits but the history of the al-Hilli family is a complex one to say the least.
The wikipedia page lists even more possibilities than the documentary highlighted:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annecy_shootings
sutoka said:
Definitely a lot of things that don't add up. I just don't believe the investigators were that incompetent and they even waited 8 hours for a more specialised team to come down from Paris.
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I number that in the long list of errors, while a crime scene should be protected, it can't be expected to be a sterile area, was the police surgeon or a GP even allowed to examine the bodies and pronounce them dead ?.
to not give a cursory check of the car's interior is mind -boggling, the child alive in the car might have been suffocating under a body, or injured and slowly dying.
A strange and fascinating case.
Firstly, the narrator changed part-way through the 3rd episode. Female (weirdly, a British rapper called Speech Debelle) to a male, and then back to female again towards the end of episode 3.
Also strange was the guy in the white shirt who was being interviewed - one side of his goatee beard was missing. His facial hair around his mouth was a C-shape. Maybe trendy if you are a young man but this guy was in his 60’s with white hair.
Anyway, the case itself. Why no PM on the American ex-hubby who died on the same day, and why did the son refuse permission to allow the body to be exhumed?
Also, I wonder if the entire thing was to target the British ex-RAF guy who was also out on a bike ride and who was overtaken on the road by Mollier shortly before the shooting. If the killer didn’t know what the RAF guy looked like and had been told, a minute or two before, to be on the lookout for a cyclist coming up the road then the wrong cyclist was targeted?
Doubt the real story will ever be known/publicised though. There were definitely oddities around Saad and his wife, taking his work stuff on hols, the safe, her not wanting an email address etc.
Firstly, the narrator changed part-way through the 3rd episode. Female (weirdly, a British rapper called Speech Debelle) to a male, and then back to female again towards the end of episode 3.
Also strange was the guy in the white shirt who was being interviewed - one side of his goatee beard was missing. His facial hair around his mouth was a C-shape. Maybe trendy if you are a young man but this guy was in his 60’s with white hair.
Anyway, the case itself. Why no PM on the American ex-hubby who died on the same day, and why did the son refuse permission to allow the body to be exhumed?
Also, I wonder if the entire thing was to target the British ex-RAF guy who was also out on a bike ride and who was overtaken on the road by Mollier shortly before the shooting. If the killer didn’t know what the RAF guy looked like and had been told, a minute or two before, to be on the lookout for a cyclist coming up the road then the wrong cyclist was targeted?
Doubt the real story will ever be known/publicised though. There were definitely oddities around Saad and his wife, taking his work stuff on hols, the safe, her not wanting an email address etc.
Whats on Second said:
sutoka said:
Definitely a lot of things that don't add up. I just don't believe the investigators were that incompetent and they even waited 8 hours for a more specialised team to come down from Paris.
.
I number that in the long list of errors, while a crime scene should be protected, it can't be expected to be a sterile area, was the police surgeon or a GP even allowed to examine the bodies and pronounce them dead ?.
to not give a cursory check of the car's interior is mind -boggling, the child alive in the car might have been suffocating under a body, or injured and slowly dying.
On the IT/paperwork issue (that another post mentions) I did find it all a bit odd with regards what he had taken with him in relation to his job and that he shouldn't have actually had any highly confidential information.
I didn't quite understand the British cop's explanation of the order of the shots (cyclist first and last). And although it shouldn't have meant that assumptions should have been made (if they were), I think it's unlikely that if the cyclist was the target he would have been shot in front of a whole family in a car meaning that whole family would then have needed to have been killed. Since the cyclist is basically exposed for the whole of his ride wouldn't it have been more logical to wait for a better moment?
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