Catalina at Oban Airport Saturday 25 June 2022
Catalina at Oban Airport Saturday 25 June 2022
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Skyedriver

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Saturday 2nd July 2022
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Simpo Two

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288 months

Saturday 2nd July 2022
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Lovely. One of my favourite aeroplanes. Always remember those amazing photos of the wealthy American family who took one on holiday and ended up getting attacked by bandits somewhere in the Middle East.

ecsrobin

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188 months

Saturday 2nd July 2022
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Simpo Two said:
Lovely. One of my favourite aeroplanes. Always remember those amazing photos of the wealthy American family who took one on holiday and ended up getting attacked by bandits somewhere in the Middle East.
https://www.messynessychic.com/2014/04/24/all-aboard-the-flying-yacht-circa-1950/

towser44

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138 months

Saturday 2nd July 2022
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Ah, that's where it went too. Saw it fly over my house in Cheshire en-route

Skyedriver

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Wednesday 6th July 2022
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Last here in 2017.
Oban was a major base for Short Sunderlands and Catalinas during WW2, Crew billeted in the various hotels, craft mainly i the bay at Lismore Island with a huge maintenance area up at Ganavan. Have some great photos in the War and Peace Museum including a few taken by the Luftwaffe.......1

hairy v

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167 months

Wednesday 6th July 2022
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towser44 said:
Ah, that's where it went too. Saw it fly over my house in Cheshire en-route
...coming from the Wales Airshow in Swansea.

Simpo Two

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288 months

Friday 8th July 2022
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Just went over my house!

Skyedriver

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Saturday 9th July 2022
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Would love to see it "land" on the water.
Oban was a base for the Catalina and Sunderland flying boats in WW2, protecting the conveys from the German U Boats
Read a brilliant tale the other day about a landing mishap - had me on the edge of my seat. I'll ask the writer if I may borrow it.

Geneve

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242 months

Sunday 10th July 2022
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Went in one many years ago, with the front gun turret - although on a sea plane the nose is called the bow and the tail is called the stern - apparently.

Eric Mc

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288 months

Sunday 10th July 2022
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It’s a flying boat.

Skyedriver

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Sunday 10th July 2022
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Eric Mc said:
It’s a flying boat.
^^this^^

It is in fact a "Flying Boat", not a "Sea Plane"

Front gun turret?

Carbon Sasquatch

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87 months

Sunday 10th July 2022
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Skyedriver said:
Eric Mc said:
It’s a flying boat.
^^this^^

It is in fact a "Flying Boat", not a "Sea Plane"

Front gun turret?
What's the difference ? (genuine question) is it because it lands on the hull rather than having floats instead of wheels ?

It comes to my local air show, which is every 2 years. Fantastic to see it on the water.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzwY_UJ_vys

Dr Jekyll

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284 months

Sunday 10th July 2022
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Carbon Sasquatch said:
What's the difference ? (genuine question) is it because it lands on the hull rather than having floats instead of wheels ?
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Carbon Sasquatch

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87 months

Sunday 10th July 2022
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Every day is a school day.

In the summer I live close to the French Hydro-aviation centre / museum (my favourite bar is right next door) so may be a useful nugget to help me make less of an arse of myself one day.

Eric Mc

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288 months

Sunday 10th July 2022
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Technically, if the aircraft was designed with a boat shaped hull, then it is a flying boat. If it floats on the water using separate floats only, then it is usually called a float plane. “Seaplane” is a bit inaccurate for any of them because many flying boats or floatplanes operate from lakes and rivers.
The very first Catalina were pure flying boats. Later versions were amphibians as they had retractable undercarriages which allowed them to use land airfields.

Float planes are often land planes which have been converted to floats.

CanAm

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295 months

Sunday 10th July 2022
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Carbon Sasquatch said:
What's the difference ? (genuine question) is it because it lands on the hull rather than having floats instead of wheels ?
Though some Catalinas, like this one, are amphibians, with a retractable undercarriage.

Dr Jekyll

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284 months

Sunday 10th July 2022
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Aviation pioneer and high functioning lunatic Noel Pemberton Billing decided that since a boat that could go under water was a submarine, any aircraft that could operate from water should be called a Supermarine.

Then changed his company name to Supermarine, recruited RJ MItchell, and the rest is history.


(I'm sure I've oversimplified this somewhat, but Eric can no doubt fill in the gaps).

Simpo Two

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288 months

Sunday 10th July 2022
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Dr Jekyll said:
Aviation pioneer and high functioning lunatic Noel Pemberton Billing decided that since a boat that could go under water was a submarine, any aircraft that could operate from water should be called a Supermarine.

Then changed his company name to Supermarine, recruited RJ MItchell, and the rest is history.).
And even the Spitfire could operate from water: http://aviationtrivia.blogspot.com/2011/01/spitfir...

Eric Mc

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288 months

Sunday 10th July 2022
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Dr Jekyll said:
Aviation pioneer and high functioning lunatic Noel Pemberton Billing decided that since a boat that could go under water was a submarine, any aircraft that could operate from water should be called a Supermarine.

Then changed his company name to Supermarine, recruited RJ MItchell, and the rest is history.


(I'm sure I've oversimplified this somewhat, but Eric can no doubt fill in the gaps).
No - that was quite succinct. Pemberton -Billing was ever so slightly bonkers.

heisthegaffer

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221 months

Monday 11th July 2022
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Skyedriver said:
Would love to see it "land" on the water.
Oban was a base for the Catalina and Sunderland flying boats in WW2, protecting the conveys from the German U Boats
Read a brilliant tale the other day about a landing mishap - had me on the edge of my seat. I'll ask the writer if I may borrow it.
I posted this the other day but my comment disappeared....

I read a book on the sinking of the USS Indy and one of the search crews in a catalina spotted some survivors but were forbidden to land on the ocean. Despite this, they did land to pick up loads of survivors but in doing so damaged the plane so whilst the survivors rested after being at sea for days, the crew baled water out continuously. 12 hours from memory until rescue came.

Before leaving the stricken plane, it was destroyed so it would sink to prevent the Japanese getting hold of it.

I wonder if the ocean would be too rough usually hence not being allowed to land on water?