RE: Steal or no steal | Front-engine coupes
RE: Steal or no steal | Front-engine coupes
Saturday 9th July 2022

Steal or no steal | Front-engine coupes

Convinced it's the end times? Probably the ideal time to invest in an affordable coupe...


Audi TT quattro Sport, 2006, 96k, £8,995 

Yes, alright - it’s a TT. The anti-sports car; an Audi A3 in a party frock. And sure, you’re going to have to live with the pitying looks of everyone who ever bought a Porsche Boxster. But that’s fine. You’ll live: the original TT is a design icon. The original Boxster is a blancmange in comparison.

Okay, fine - the Boxster runs rings round the TT. And the Cayman is the far horizon; a place the TT could only reach if Audi had thrown the baby out with the bath water, and relocated the engine along with just about everything else. But it didn’t do that. Instead it trusted its Californian design office to ignite a ruddy great fire under the general public. Which it duly did. 

Easy to forget now, as the current TT slips under the waterline of abandonment, but the first model hit the shelves like Haribo in a bowling alley. Moose test, shmoose test - people descended on it like Knebworth tickets. Primarily because it looked the business, and secondly because it didn’t cost the earth. That enthusiasm meant Audi sold like a billion units, which in turn means you can have arguably the best version today for the fiscal equivalent of shekels and lint. And while you can, you absolutely should. NC

Vauxhall Monaro, 2006, 36k, £14,495

There is no point in history where the Monaro didn’t seem old school. It was born that way; offering so much V8 for so little outlay (relative to other coupes) was central to its appeal. That it also looked smart and drove well only added to the charm. This really was priced as a TT alternative, except it didn’t drive like an A3, because it packed a 5.7 V8 and drove the back axle exclusively. 

Even in a sector that included sports cars as good as the Nissan 350Z, BMW Z4 Coupe and Mazda RX-8, the big Vaux stood out; this was before right-hand drive Mustangs, remember, and nothing else offered quite such a combination of talents. One which UK buyers could hardly get enough of.  

A decade and a half since the Monaro’s demise and even with everything going on it still looks conspicuously good value. Perhaps because of what’s going on, in fact - a Monaro will cost rather more than a TT to tax and fuel. But in a world of £20k EP3 Civic Type Rs, the Monaro’s case looks a compelling one at sub-£15k: this 2006 car has covered just 35,300 miles and comes with a fresh service as well as some handy upgrades. Maybe not the bargain it once was, but it’s hard to think many more entertaining coupes for supermini money. MB

Alpina B3 3.3, 2000, 75k, £13,995 

It wasn’t that long ago that you could jump into the classifieds and find a clean, manual BMW E46 M3 for a little over £10,000. How things have changed. Now, you’re looking at well over double that for a car with a fixed roof and a clean bill of health. 

But worry not, there’s another way to get your hands on an E46 that’s rarer considerably rarer than most M cars – the Alpina B3 3.3. Granted, it’s not going to be quite as rewarding when you’re really chasing it, but the B3 is for those times where you want go somewhere very quickly and very comfortably - i.e. every time you get in it. And, yes, it may be difficult to justify spending the best part of £15k on a car that doesn’t look all that different to a 320Ci - but isn’t that the point? 

Nobody has to know that you could match an M3 in a 0-60mph sprint, or that you’re driving one of only 90 examples built for the UK and 275 worldwide. It’s also defying the laws of depreciation, and, with only 75,000 miles on the clock, it’s barely run in. For an Alpina, that is. CT


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Dombilano

Original Poster:

1,470 posts

86 months

Saturday 9th July 2022
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Alpina B3 for me, timeless classic

On a coupe trawl I found this, I don't know whether to laugh or cry...

cuda

470 posts

271 months

Saturday 9th July 2022
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I think an extra '9' snuck its way into that price no?!

b14

1,314 posts

219 months

Saturday 9th July 2022
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This article is an excellent illustration of how hard it is to read Nick Cackett's work. Please can he tone down the meandering and hamming?

gonnagetyoursBenny

103 posts

136 months

Saturday 9th July 2022
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ballans

939 posts

136 months

Saturday 9th July 2022
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I spend more time than should searching Alpina on Auto Trader. They have always appealed but I’ve never owned one. What’s the ownership experience like? I always get scared off as I have the perception they will be difficult to keep due to the rarity of parts and people that know how to fix them.

PS, for those who struggle with Nic Cackets writing style, read it as if you are reading out loud to someone. Makes his text ‘come alive’. He’s actually very good.


Andy83n

612 posts

93 months

Saturday 9th July 2022
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Aren't all coupes front engined?

Stuart70

4,166 posts

214 months

Saturday 9th July 2022
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Andy83n said:
Aren't all coupes front engined?
What is a Porsche Cayman?

Brooksay

1,291 posts

101 months

Saturday 9th July 2022
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Hold up! A 16 year old, MK1 TT is 9 grand??

Filibuster

3,406 posts

246 months

Saturday 9th July 2022
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That Alpina B3 is lovely! IIRC they used the E36 US spec M3 engine as a base for their 3.3l.
The auto really suits this car, especially today. Makes for a very cool, understated everyday cruising coupe.

I remember the B3S coming out ca. 2 years later being a vastly improved car/engine.

soad

34,735 posts

207 months

Saturday 9th July 2022
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Andy83n said:
Aren't all coupes front engined?
Most, not all. Boxster, Cayman, Elise, Esprit, MG TF, MR2, VX220 etc spring to mind.

Then you have numerous super cars.

AC43

13,678 posts

239 months

Saturday 9th July 2022
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From those three, I'd have the Alpina all day long.

Hub

7,156 posts

229 months

Saturday 9th July 2022
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Brooksay said:
Hold up! A 16 year old, MK1 TT is 9 grand??
It's a Quattro Sport, which is a bit more desirable than a standard MK1 TT

wpa1975

14,811 posts

145 months

Saturday 9th July 2022
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Alpina would be my choice, looks fabulous

soad

34,735 posts

207 months

Saturday 9th July 2022
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Brooksay said:
Hold up! A 16 year old, MK1 TT is 9 grand??
This particular model was always more expensive:
https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-spottedykywt/a...

Brooksay

1,291 posts

101 months

Saturday 9th July 2022
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soad said:
Brooksay said:
Hold up! A 16 year old, MK1 TT is 9 grand??
This particular model was always more expensive:
https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-spottedykywt/a...
Oh man, I'm so out of touch. That article is 4 years old and the car was only 1k more than this one today.


jamieduff1981

8,092 posts

171 months

Saturday 9th July 2022
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Brooksay said:
Hold up! A 16 year old, MK1 TT is 9 grand??
Everything's worth what someone is willing to pay for it. I'm comfortable with that. I'm not sure I personally would be pleased to have a TT to drive even if I was given it for free, but honestly if I gave someone a 9-grand note for a TT I'd be looking for £8,500 change back. There are some far superior cars which have been close to worthless from arrival due to association with a lesser cooking model car, even when they felt nothing like the car upon which they were based. Every TT I've ever driven has felt just as indifferent as the Golf it is underneath. Sure, it has poorly engineered concrete suspension that meticulously blends a bottom-quartile ride quality with mediocre handling like most Audis. It's also the only car that's ever made me feel borderline claustrophobic inside, which is quite impressive given that it's quite a substantial pile of stodge.

In this part of the market, I'd take the Nissan 350Z or Alfa Romeo Brera. The latter isn't great to drive either, but at least it's nice to look at inside and out.

anonymous-user

85 months

Saturday 9th July 2022
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Monaro for me, it’s the only one of the three that rocks on its suspension when idling at the traffic lights. With a decent exhaust, it sounds the part too. 5 years ago, that car would have been worth under 10k, so not bad value.

Pughmacher

441 posts

74 months

Saturday 9th July 2022
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Brooksay said:
Hold up! A 16 year old, MK1 TT is 9 grand??
And there it is! Was scrolling down looking as to who would be first to comment. I cannot believe that there is a market for a £9K mk1 TT. Confirmation of “it’s a funny old world” isn’t it?

Baldchap

9,635 posts

123 months

Saturday 9th July 2022
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ballans said:
I spend more time than should searching Alpina on Auto Trader. They have always appealed but I’ve never owned one. What’s the ownership experience like?
I'm spending an unhealthy amount of time reading about the current B5 and would love to hear the same from Alpina owners...

sidesauce

2,967 posts

249 months

Saturday 9th July 2022
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Brooksay said:
soad said:
Brooksay said:
Hold up! A 16 year old, MK1 TT is 9 grand??
This particular model was always more expensive:
https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-spottedykywt/a...
Oh man, I'm so out of touch. That article is 4 years old and the car was only 1k more than this one today.
Honestly, don't feel bad at all - there are so, so many on this forum who are much further out of touch, particularly when it comes to car pricing, than you!