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Just watching something about illegal fly tipping on TV. They always focus on illegal activity and the cost of clearing it up.
Why don't local authorities simply accept that everyone needs to get rid of their crap and let everyone dump whatever they want at the local tip? They could devote their energy to making sure recyclables are properly sorted, but other than that the cost of clearing up fly tipping would disappear?
Can someone who knows about this stuff explain, please?
Why don't local authorities simply accept that everyone needs to get rid of their crap and let everyone dump whatever they want at the local tip? They could devote their energy to making sure recyclables are properly sorted, but other than that the cost of clearing up fly tipping would disappear?
Can someone who knows about this stuff explain, please?
Pitre said:
Just watching something about illegal fly tipping on TV. They always focus on illegal activity and the cost of clearing it up.
Why don't local authorities simply accept that everyone needs to get rid of their crap and let everyone dump whatever they want at the local tip? They could devote their energy to making sure recyclables are properly sorted, but other than that the cost of clearing up fly tipping would disappear?
Can someone who knows about this stuff explain, please?
My local tip is great, dump anything for free. No problem at all.Why don't local authorities simply accept that everyone needs to get rid of their crap and let everyone dump whatever they want at the local tip? They could devote their energy to making sure recyclables are properly sorted, but other than that the cost of clearing up fly tipping would disappear?
Can someone who knows about this stuff explain, please?
Doesn’t stop the flytipping scum though.
Pitre said:
Just watching something about illegal fly tipping on TV. They always focus on illegal activity and the cost of clearing it up.
Why don't local authorities simply accept that everyone needs to get rid of their crap and let everyone dump whatever they want at the local tip? They could devote their energy to making sure recyclables are properly sorted, but other than that the cost of clearing up fly tipping would disappear?
Can someone who knows about this stuff explain, please?
Businesses free to tip as well? I know it varies (which is the main problem - all LAs should really have the same operating policies). but just checked mine, I can visit once a week and can take anything I like apart from Japanese knotweed. What can't you take to the local tip? Why don't local authorities simply accept that everyone needs to get rid of their crap and let everyone dump whatever they want at the local tip? They could devote their energy to making sure recyclables are properly sorted, but other than that the cost of clearing up fly tipping would disappear?
Can someone who knows about this stuff explain, please?
They could do that, and fly-tippers would still do it just because they had to wait in line.
You can never underestimate how ferociously selfish and moronic such people are. If someone is the kind of person who thinks fly-tipping is acceptable, nothing still involving any sort of compromise or effort on their part is going to stop them doing it.
You can never underestimate how ferociously selfish and moronic such people are. If someone is the kind of person who thinks fly-tipping is acceptable, nothing still involving any sort of compromise or effort on their part is going to stop them doing it.
m3jappa said:
Councils not taking business waste is totally backwards imo.
They have the means to correctly dispose of everything and make money out of it.
But of course they aren't interested in running an operation thats actually worth it.
Surely that argument would lead to renationalising everything? The state isn’t good at running such things for various reasons. They have the means to correctly dispose of everything and make money out of it.
But of course they aren't interested in running an operation thats actually worth it.
Plus that wouldn’t have any impact on fly tipping anyway.
bigpriest said:
Businesses free to tip as well? I know it varies (which is the main problem - all LAs should really have the same operating policies). but just checked mine, I can visit once a week and can take anything I like apart from Japanese knotweed. What can't you take to the local tip?
Tyres.I agree. It's absolute b
ks. And I really wish that all tips ran some sort of "re-use" rather than "recycle" scheme. So often, you see perfectly good, or easily repairable stuff sat in skips that would make someone else's day...kid's bikes, and Dyson vacuums that probably just need the filter unblocking or new brushes, it seems like such a waste.
It's ridiculous...I can only take a trailer if the load bed is no longer than 1.8m and it's unbraked. So if I don't want to trash the inside of my car with brick rubble or soil, I have to find the correct type of trailer (and at my local tip some jobsworth was arguing over 5cm with a mate of mine). Who cares if it has brakes or not? Sure, if there are regular commercial vehicles repeatedly throwing stuff away, then they need to pay for it, but bearing in mind you have to register with your home address and vehicle details before going anyway, it shouldn't be beyond the wit of man (or the council) to work out who is commercial trying their luck at multiple trips per week and who is a private householder doing a couple of runs a year?
And don't even get me started on the guy who demanded I show him the seats in the back of my Defender before he'd let me dump anything. It's a station wagon, so basically a 5 door estate, with glass all the way round. I got pretty narked off by this, and asked why he wasn't demanding to be shown that back seats were fitted into the Volvo estate next to me. Apparently my Defender could actually be a van...not with two rows of doors and glass all round it couldn't FFS!
ks. And I really wish that all tips ran some sort of "re-use" rather than "recycle" scheme. So often, you see perfectly good, or easily repairable stuff sat in skips that would make someone else's day...kid's bikes, and Dyson vacuums that probably just need the filter unblocking or new brushes, it seems like such a waste.It's ridiculous...I can only take a trailer if the load bed is no longer than 1.8m and it's unbraked. So if I don't want to trash the inside of my car with brick rubble or soil, I have to find the correct type of trailer (and at my local tip some jobsworth was arguing over 5cm with a mate of mine). Who cares if it has brakes or not? Sure, if there are regular commercial vehicles repeatedly throwing stuff away, then they need to pay for it, but bearing in mind you have to register with your home address and vehicle details before going anyway, it shouldn't be beyond the wit of man (or the council) to work out who is commercial trying their luck at multiple trips per week and who is a private householder doing a couple of runs a year?
And don't even get me started on the guy who demanded I show him the seats in the back of my Defender before he'd let me dump anything. It's a station wagon, so basically a 5 door estate, with glass all the way round. I got pretty narked off by this, and asked why he wasn't demanding to be shown that back seats were fitted into the Volvo estate next to me. Apparently my Defender could actually be a van...not with two rows of doors and glass all round it couldn't FFS!
Bobupndown said:
bigpriest said:
Businesses free to tip as well? I know it varies (which is the main problem - all LAs should really have the same operating policies). but just checked mine, I can visit once a week and can take anything I like apart from Japanese knotweed. What can't you take to the local tip?
Tyres.
"Tyres can be recycled at a Recycling Centre. Tyres are shredded and granulated at our partner site in Bury. They are turned into a crumb which is used in equestrian matting, playgrounds and sometimes for drainage. During the shredding process, some wire is removed and recycled. Over 38 million tyres are thrown away in the UK each year and are sometimes flytipped on garage forecourts, industrial estates or car parks. If you have tyres replaced by an garage, they are responsible for disposing the tyres correctly.
bigpriest said:
Businesses free to tip as well? I know it varies (which is the main problem - all LAs should really have the same operating policies). but just checked mine, I can visit once a week and can take anything I like apart from Japanese knotweed. What can't you take to the local tip?
A van.Dingu said:
m3jappa said:
Councils not taking business waste is totally backwards imo.
They have the means to correctly dispose of everything and make money out of it.
But of course they aren't interested in running an operation thats actually worth it.
Surely that argument would lead to renationalising everything? The state isn’t good at running such things for various reasons. They have the means to correctly dispose of everything and make money out of it.
But of course they aren't interested in running an operation thats actually worth it.
Plus that wouldn’t have any impact on fly tipping anyway.
The money in recycling appears to be significant while at the same time recycling which whatever way you look at it makes sense.
The most difficult thing about someone like me starting a recycling business is finding a plot of land where your even allowed to do it. If you can find one then you better have deep pockets as it wont be cheap. The council ( i imagine) could easily access land for recycling use up and down the country.
But yes in reality the state isn't much good and i agree, scumbags will still be scumbags and fly tip.
One that makes me laugh is a place i use to tip hardcore often has hardcore tipped a few hundred meters up the lane from it. The laughable thing is hardcore is a free tip at this place
Pitre said:
bigpriest said:
Businesses free to tip as well?
Don't see why not....Matt_E_Mulsion said:
Pitre said:
bigpriest said:
Businesses free to tip as well?
Don't see why not....Pitre said:
Can someone who knows about this stuff explain, please?
Hold my pint! This is very much my jam!(Behaviour Change Expert for the Global Waste Management Sector)
Pitre said:
Why don't local authorities simply accept that everyone needs to get rid of their crap and let everyone dump whatever they want at the local tip?
Each household in the UK produces around a tonne of waste each year. The cost of tipping a tonne of waste into landfill is between £170 and £220 per tonne.
Each household in the UK contributes on average around £60 a year from their council tax to waste services (which includes kerbside collections, recycling centres, street sweeping, parks maintenance, crematoria, etc).
The difference is managed through recycling (from which a revenue is gained), limiting access to services to those who pay for it and restricting the types and quantities of waste that is disposed of.
To provide the ‘free-for-all-dump-what-you-like’ approach would cost hundreds of millions to accommodate – the technology and machinery needed to sort and separate, transportation, staff costs and more besides.
We have in the UK one of the world’s most efficient systems of waste management. This is because it is properly controlled. Without such control, your council tax would be higher by order of hundreds of pounds per year,
But actually, at a household level.... you can actually dump what you want. You may be restricted on a per-visit basis but this rarely provides any regular and/or meaningful impact to families. The issue lies with businesses:
m3jappa said:
Councils not taking business waste is totally backwards imo.
Business rates do not include waste services because the amount and type generated by different businesses is so variable. You could have an Ad Agency with 100 staff produce a fraction of the waste a manufacturing business of 5 people might. Extracting costs from Council Tax is easy because the range of variable across homes is far less but the same couldn’t be applied to businesses so it’s up to them to pay for what they need.If businesses were granted free access to facilities it would be everyone else who pays for it.
You also see more incidents of hazardous waste from business than you do from households which requires critical controls to apply that cannot easily be enforced if they’re allowed to just chivvy up and dump what they like.
Pitre said:
fly tipping
Correct term is Illegal Dumping. The reason it occurs has nothing to do with any restriction placed upon access to recycling centres, landfills or the intransigence of Local Authorities. It occurs because those who dump waste are lazy, wish to avoid paying the fees that everyone has to pay, are thick or all of the above.Hard-Drive said:
It's absolute bks.!
Given what I have provided here, it may surprise you if I say that I agree!ks.!I am constantly pushing my LA clients to review the rules imposed at recycling centres as I see so many that are just plain wrong. My mantra is that to change behaviour the preferred behaviour must be the easiest option. So when you have to register your car and explain why your Defender is a car (whilst your neighbour’s Galaxy is never classified as a van) is anything but simple.
In (sort of) their defence, few of them actually run the sites and it’s the waste management companies who implement the rules but it’s the Local Authorities that retain overall governance of them.
Johnnytheboy said:
bigpriest said:
Businesses free to tip as well? I know it varies (which is the main problem - all LAs should really have the same operating policies). but just checked mine, I can visit once a week and can take anything I like apart from Japanese knotweed. What can't you take to the local tip?
A van.I borrow a sign written van from work and it’s no problem.you need a permit which takes ten minutes to apply for online,and can be used for twelve visits in a year.
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