Weissach 3rs compared to 991.1
Discussion
I'm considering trading my .1 rs against a weissach rs. I drove the car I like yesterday and made a few observations. Firstly, the steering felt sharper and more connected. Secondly the throttle was much sharper. Finally the ride was a little more firmer.
The car was fabulous though, which is to be expected I suppose so it's difficult to tell if it's a move worth making.
What are peoples opinion on the differences? Would love to hear other people's opinions who have made the same move. With the additional 70ish k I could do my 360 track/project with so it's an important decision for me.
Thanks.
The car was fabulous though, which is to be expected I suppose so it's difficult to tell if it's a move worth making.
What are peoples opinion on the differences? Would love to hear other people's opinions who have made the same move. With the additional 70ish k I could do my 360 track/project with so it's an important decision for me.
Thanks.
Depends on whether you think its worth for you personally to upgrade at a cost of £70k. The RS WP is a much rarer car and newer with a pretty much bomb proof engine. The weighh pretty much the same and the extra 20HP can hardly be felt despite the throttle response being sharper on the newer car.
The ride on the .1RS is pretty amazing for an RS which makes it a better road car IMO but the RS WP with twice the spring rates yet softer dampers is still pretty acceptable. The RS WP is better on track but surprisingly prone to under steer and then snap over steer when you lift off. If you buy an RS WP I stongly advise you to take it to Ben at String Theory Garage in Stratford and get a thorough geo done. He completely transformed mine and I'm much more confident in pushing it hard on track compared to standard OEM settings. Rather surprisingly I found it also behaved better on bumpy B roads which I wasn't expecting.
Despite my bias I still have a very soft spot for an Ultra Violet .1RS with Black rims and Yellow PCCBs and where the smart money should go IMO
The ride on the .1RS is pretty amazing for an RS which makes it a better road car IMO but the RS WP with twice the spring rates yet softer dampers is still pretty acceptable. The RS WP is better on track but surprisingly prone to under steer and then snap over steer when you lift off. If you buy an RS WP I stongly advise you to take it to Ben at String Theory Garage in Stratford and get a thorough geo done. He completely transformed mine and I'm much more confident in pushing it hard on track compared to standard OEM settings. Rather surprisingly I found it also behaved better on bumpy B roads which I wasn't expecting.
Despite my bias I still have a very soft spot for an Ultra Violet .1RS with Black rims and Yellow PCCBs and where the smart money should go IMO
Thank you for your concise response. I'm not sure, hence me asking here. It did feel a little more special, it felt a little like being in a Speciale bizarrely enough.
In terms of power, mine is more than enough on and off track, the WP is more than enough.
I've never been interested in values and I'm lucky and blessed enough to have other cars which have done well (fluke) in that respect. I'm more interested in a better driving experience. And it did feel better, but not sure if that's the 'new car feeling' or its genuinely special.
Your point about ultra violet is interesting, personally it isn't for me but I have noticed they're everywhere, more UV and Lava than most other colours I think? So not sure about smart money. But I might be talking out of my hat.
In terms of power, mine is more than enough on and off track, the WP is more than enough.
I've never been interested in values and I'm lucky and blessed enough to have other cars which have done well (fluke) in that respect. I'm more interested in a better driving experience. And it did feel better, but not sure if that's the 'new car feeling' or its genuinely special.
Your point about ultra violet is interesting, personally it isn't for me but I have noticed they're everywhere, more UV and Lava than most other colours I think? So not sure about smart money. But I might be talking out of my hat.
I've got a .1 RS and have driven the .2 WP around Silverstone back to back. Overall I felt my .1 was a bit more raw (which is also what the guys at RPM feel as well) but overall I was quicker in the .2 by a few seconds. IMO there is no way it's 'worth' £70k more but if you have the dollar and it doesn't faze you then spend it.
I can't really help, but to me 70k seems way too much if that money could be used on something else/it is an either or scenario for something else, which you might enjoy (which it sounds like). I suspect you could get closer to the driving experience by making a few changes to your RS, which will cost less than 70k.
I have to be honest if you're at the limit of taking the gen 1 flat out around a circuit and one of the quickest drivers on track days then I'd buy the gen 2. If the cars better than you I'd stick to the gen 1. This constant marketing in the West that we have to have the latest and greatest is just awful. £70k extra for a few extra secs around a circuit seems pointless to me. The gen 1 is still an RS after all and stunning.
I did 19,000 miles in my 991.1 GT3 RS and then got a gen 2 Weissach……
The gen 2 is definitely a sharper tool all round, better steering and feels quicker when you put your foot down.
However, the huge disappointment for me regarding the gen 2 was the ceramic brakes felt crap- really poor feel to them yet the gen 1 brakes were absolutely superb.
I sold my gen 2 RS and wouldn’t consider getting another.
I know of other owners who also considered the brakes poor on the gen 2- too much pressure needed to get some bite.
I do think a gen 1 Ultra Violet RS with silver wheels and silver spoiler mounts the best spec.
The gen 2 is definitely a sharper tool all round, better steering and feels quicker when you put your foot down.
However, the huge disappointment for me regarding the gen 2 was the ceramic brakes felt crap- really poor feel to them yet the gen 1 brakes were absolutely superb.
I sold my gen 2 RS and wouldn’t consider getting another.
I know of other owners who also considered the brakes poor on the gen 2- too much pressure needed to get some bite.
I do think a gen 1 Ultra Violet RS with silver wheels and silver spoiler mounts the best spec.
Desert Dragon said:
I have to be honest if you're at the limit of taking the gen 1 flat out around a circuit and one of the quickest drivers on track days then I'd buy the gen 2. If the cars better than you I'd stick to the gen 1. This constant marketing in the West that we have to have the latest and greatest is just awful. £70k extra for a few extra secs around a circuit seems pointless to me. The gen 1 is still an RS after all and stunning.
Great points. You are highlighting that the OP should decide whether it's about the ownership experience or the capability of the car on track. I fully understand why the former matters to people and that getting a "new" car is exciting. If it is about the driving then I fully concur with you. I'd then invest into driver tuition and set-up of the car (including swapping the PASM stuff for proper KW kit)donutskidmark said:
I did 19,000 miles in my 991.1 GT3 RS and then got a gen 2 Weissach……
The gen 2 is definitely a sharper tool all round, better steering and feels quicker when you put your foot down.
However, the huge disappointment for me regarding the gen 2 was the ceramic brakes felt crap- really poor feel to them yet the gen 1 brakes were absolutely superb.
I sold my gen 2 RS and wouldn’t consider getting another.
I know of other owners who also considered the brakes poor on the gen 2- too much pressure needed to get some bite.
I do think a gen 1 Ultra Violet RS with silver wheels and silver spoiler mounts the best spec.
I have an RS WP and I track it and have no issue with the brakes. However I agree they need more effort than you expect until you get used to them. I have never had them fade and always do a couple of slower warm up laps and another couple to cool down, I notice a lot of other don't bother.The gen 2 is definitely a sharper tool all round, better steering and feels quicker when you put your foot down.
However, the huge disappointment for me regarding the gen 2 was the ceramic brakes felt crap- really poor feel to them yet the gen 1 brakes were absolutely superb.
I sold my gen 2 RS and wouldn’t consider getting another.
I know of other owners who also considered the brakes poor on the gen 2- too much pressure needed to get some bite.
I do think a gen 1 Ultra Violet RS with silver wheels and silver spoiler mounts the best spec.
OTOH if buying an RS today with my own money I'd get a gen 1 in UV and spend some of the saving on Manthey KW dampers and ST brakes.
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