Lithium-sulphur batteries?
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Sounds almost too good to be true. Is it?
How an accidental discovery made this year could change the world.
A lucky discovery involving lithium-sulfur batteries has a legitimate chance to revolutionize how we power our world
https://bigthink.com/the-future/lithium-sulfur-bat...
How an accidental discovery made this year could change the world.
A lucky discovery involving lithium-sulfur batteries has a legitimate chance to revolutionize how we power our world
https://bigthink.com/the-future/lithium-sulfur-bat...
If it's true... And we'll know if the science checks out because the companies trying to bring solid state cells to the market will lose billions in share value if it does.
What is absolutely true is that the world is hamstrung by li-i cells, obviously EV's, smart phones and laptops but everything else in between too, including the power grid itself. The company that makes the next big step in cell tech commercially viable is going have the world at its feet and make an unbelievable amount of money. If Google 'owns' the net, a company that makes a better battery owns the physical side of technology.
Interesting stuff! I hope it's not just fluff and fairytales designed to ramp up the share price on speculation.
What is absolutely true is that the world is hamstrung by li-i cells, obviously EV's, smart phones and laptops but everything else in between too, including the power grid itself. The company that makes the next big step in cell tech commercially viable is going have the world at its feet and make an unbelievable amount of money. If Google 'owns' the net, a company that makes a better battery owns the physical side of technology.
Interesting stuff! I hope it's not just fluff and fairytales designed to ramp up the share price on speculation.
It's like a Daily Express 'Cancer Cure Found' headline.
Lots of work is being don on all sorts of battery chemistry, it's being going on for decades.
I'm sure different batteries will eventually be an improvement on the various Lithium options we have today, but I'd be surprised if any car hits the market within 5 years using a completely new battery chemistry.
Arguably a bigger need at the moment is cheap bulk batteries for grid level storage, where $/kWh is the main thing and energy density, mass etc are much less important than in vehicle or flight batteries.
sodium sulfur sounds promising, because both those elements are abundant, but making it work seems to involve nano-carbon and other stuff which keeps it in the 'expensive lab curiosity' department currently.
Lots of work is being don on all sorts of battery chemistry, it's being going on for decades.
I'm sure different batteries will eventually be an improvement on the various Lithium options we have today, but I'd be surprised if any car hits the market within 5 years using a completely new battery chemistry.
Arguably a bigger need at the moment is cheap bulk batteries for grid level storage, where $/kWh is the main thing and energy density, mass etc are much less important than in vehicle or flight batteries.
sodium sulfur sounds promising, because both those elements are abundant, but making it work seems to involve nano-carbon and other stuff which keeps it in the 'expensive lab curiosity' department currently.
TheDeuce said:
If it's true... And we'll know if the science checks out because the companies trying to bring solid state cells to the market will lose billions in share value if it does.
What is absolutely true is that the world is hamstrung by li-i cells, obviously EV's, smart phones and laptops but everything else in between too, including the power grid itself. The company that makes the next big step in cell tech commercially viable is going have the world at its feet and make an unbelievable amount of money. If Google 'owns' the net, a company that makes a better battery owns the physical side of technology.
Interesting stuff! I hope it's not just fluff and fairytales designed to ramp up the share price on speculation.
I don't think it's quite that clear cut. Today, what drives the addoption of cells is their availability at massive volumes. Tesla for example, making cells by the billions means that cell is economically useful, but any new chemistry and technology must be similarly available to make it useful. That bit, the productionisation process is what takes the time and cost.....What is absolutely true is that the world is hamstrung by li-i cells, obviously EV's, smart phones and laptops but everything else in between too, including the power grid itself. The company that makes the next big step in cell tech commercially viable is going have the world at its feet and make an unbelievable amount of money. If Google 'owns' the net, a company that makes a better battery owns the physical side of technology.
Interesting stuff! I hope it's not just fluff and fairytales designed to ramp up the share price on speculation.
Max_Torque said:
TheDeuce said:
If it's true... And we'll know if the science checks out because the companies trying to bring solid state cells to the market will lose billions in share value if it does.
What is absolutely true is that the world is hamstrung by li-i cells, obviously EV's, smart phones and laptops but everything else in between too, including the power grid itself. The company that makes the next big step in cell tech commercially viable is going have the world at its feet and make an unbelievable amount of money. If Google 'owns' the net, a company that makes a better battery owns the physical side of technology.
Interesting stuff! I hope it's not just fluff and fairytales designed to ramp up the share price on speculation.
I don't think it's quite that clear cut. Today, what drives the addoption of cells is their availability at massive volumes. Tesla for example, making cells by the billions means that cell is economically useful, but any new chemistry and technology must be similarly available to make it useful. That bit, the productionisation process is what takes the time and cost.....What is absolutely true is that the world is hamstrung by li-i cells, obviously EV's, smart phones and laptops but everything else in between too, including the power grid itself. The company that makes the next big step in cell tech commercially viable is going have the world at its feet and make an unbelievable amount of money. If Google 'owns' the net, a company that makes a better battery owns the physical side of technology.
Interesting stuff! I hope it's not just fluff and fairytales designed to ramp up the share price on speculation.
It'll still take a few years for massive volumes to become available though, so could see it being used for premium vehicles first (the Roadster, for example).
Max_Torque said:
TheDeuce said:
If it's true... And we'll know if the science checks out because the companies trying to bring solid state cells to the market will lose billions in share value if it does.
What is absolutely true is that the world is hamstrung by li-i cells, obviously EV's, smart phones and laptops but everything else in between too, including the power grid itself. The company that makes the next big step in cell tech commercially viable is going have the world at its feet and make an unbelievable amount of money. If Google 'owns' the net, a company that makes a better battery owns the physical side of technology.
Interesting stuff! I hope it's not just fluff and fairytales designed to ramp up the share price on speculation.
I don't think it's quite that clear cut. Today, what drives the addoption of cells is their availability at massive volumes. Tesla for example, making cells by the billions means that cell is economically useful, but any new chemistry and technology must be similarly available to make it useful. That bit, the productionisation process is what takes the time and cost.....What is absolutely true is that the world is hamstrung by li-i cells, obviously EV's, smart phones and laptops but everything else in between too, including the power grid itself. The company that makes the next big step in cell tech commercially viable is going have the world at its feet and make an unbelievable amount of money. If Google 'owns' the net, a company that makes a better battery owns the physical side of technology.
Interesting stuff! I hope it's not just fluff and fairytales designed to ramp up the share price on speculation.
No good if it takes a week to make one cell.
No good if over the lifetime of the product it takes more energy to produce than the device will ever put out.
No good if the price is 10x current market competitors.
annodomini2 said:
Max_Torque said:
TheDeuce said:
If it's true... And we'll know if the science checks out because the companies trying to bring solid state cells to the market will lose billions in share value if it does.
What is absolutely true is that the world is hamstrung by li-i cells, obviously EV's, smart phones and laptops but everything else in between too, including the power grid itself. The company that makes the next big step in cell tech commercially viable is going have the world at its feet and make an unbelievable amount of money. If Google 'owns' the net, a company that makes a better battery owns the physical side of technology.
Interesting stuff! I hope it's not just fluff and fairytales designed to ramp up the share price on speculation.
I don't think it's quite that clear cut. Today, what drives the addoption of cells is their availability at massive volumes. Tesla for example, making cells by the billions means that cell is economically useful, but any new chemistry and technology must be similarly available to make it useful. That bit, the productionisation process is what takes the time and cost.....What is absolutely true is that the world is hamstrung by li-i cells, obviously EV's, smart phones and laptops but everything else in between too, including the power grid itself. The company that makes the next big step in cell tech commercially viable is going have the world at its feet and make an unbelievable amount of money. If Google 'owns' the net, a company that makes a better battery owns the physical side of technology.
Interesting stuff! I hope it's not just fluff and fairytales designed to ramp up the share price on speculation.
No good if it takes a week to make one cell.
No good if over the lifetime of the product it takes more energy to produce than the device will ever put out.
No good if the price is 10x current market competitors.
Obviously a prototype cell stack in a lab isn't going to change the world, but it will attract investment if it does work a be D does have the potential for mass production.
Several firms have attracted multiple billions of investment with cell prototypes that only 'probably' can be made to work commercially.
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