Things wot I 'ave learned this week (ID.3 content)

Things wot I 'ave learned this week (ID.3 content)

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mikeyr

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3,192 posts

207 months

Tuesday 2nd August 2022
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Got my first EV recently (an ID.3, 58kwh Pro Performance) and thought I'd update on my EV journey which has been pretty painless so far. However, am learning a few bits as I go along!

1. Had an OHME charger fitted last week and works well with the car. It's a tethered one but the car (a lease) also came with a cable. I'd foolishly assumed this can make a handy extension cable but a quick google shows that this is very much not the case. Presumably these are for if you have an untethered home box. I'm yet to use a charger out in the wild (e.g. a supermarket car park) but guessing that they all are tethered?

2. Still haven't changed tariff as keeping an eye on the amount we end up spending but having looked at a couple of websites such as Octopus it's almost impossible to switch provider at the moment anyway. Might hold fire to see if my current provider reopen their EV tariff.

3. The VW We Connect app kept telling me my VIN was wrong. It was only after a lot of headscratching I realised there was a specific My Connect ID app. Doesn't really do much anyway other than control charging and remotely put on the aircon. On that subject, this works only sporadically!

4. Every car should have the autohold function, no more faffing with a handbrake in queues.

5. Wish could default to the B mode for driving instead of D mode. Nice though the D mode is for drifting along for miles the lack of 'engine' braking means it feels like you have to stand on the brakes. Even if it isn't quite one pedal driving I prefer B mode now am used to the clever feedback through the throttle. Steering feel is really nice, accurate and smooth thanks to not being driven wheels.

6. The haptic buttons look and feel futuristic and I really want to like them but they can be a little frustrating. When driving I want that security of knowing I hit the right button and not having to check. Touch screen works fine. On the subject, the voice control is appalling. I can get it to navigate to home. But any other sat nav requests via voice control are like having a conversation with my 90 year old neighbour. Either doesn't hear the question or answers with a completely different response. Anyone know if later software updates improve it? Also, mine hasn't had the 2.4 update and new battery yet. Can I proactively ask the local VW dealership to do it or is it a case of waiting to be summoned by VW HQ?

7. I can totally get on board with the lack of engine noise and all the safety stuff. Lane assist, object detection, ACC. All stuff that makes a drive more relaxing and I could turn it off for a spirited B road drive if wanted. Don't feel nannied at all.

8. If I'd had the luxury of choosing I'd like to have had the reversing camera and HUD. I can live without (other car is 20 years old and a real shed so I'm not precious. But the rear view isn't great through the mirror. And it's frustrating to have to press a switch for the mirror to automatically dip. Mainly I'm just jealous of the auto parking option which would have been great with our tiny driveway. I also don't have the fancy matrix headlights and it doesn't do the cool wake up blink thing. But the lights are best I think I've had on any car so not complaining. And the steel wheel / hubcap combo looks fine too. I'm happy not to be worrying about accidentally kerbing a real alloy.

9. 200bhp is nice. And it is a very quiet cruiser. Bit different as I'm not used to brand new cars but I have no qualms with quality of interior and comfort. The space inside is mental. It's so much shorter than the C class estate it replaced but even at six foot the passenger behind has leg room for days. Saw a new golf the other day and not only did it look old fashioned in comparison it was much smaller insider. Short cars rock!

10. Yet to try individual mode but can't see any reviews of the difference setting the suspension to 'sport' mode makes. I roll around in comfort mode. Maybe when it gets more autumny then will switch to eco but I like a cold aircon so making most of the full power version of that currently.

11. Would never have chosen white but in person it's my fave colour. Which is surprising!

12. The outside spaceship noise sounds cool for pedestrians. Can't hear it at all in the car.

13. I'm hoping the maths will work out that it's not much different than the overall costs of running round in a ten year old diesel. My reasons weren't environmental really; longer term hoping that a post pandemic world will have more home working and less need to build cars full stop. But for me it was a combo of cheap enough to justify leasing, general quietness and the reduced emissions.

somouk

1,425 posts

212 months

Tuesday 2nd August 2022
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Sounds like you’ve taken a big leap forward and are enjoying it.

For point 1 - the lead is for if you are using a public charger.

SWoll

20,449 posts

272 months

Tuesday 2nd August 2022
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1) You will find a mixture at low speed destination chargers (7kW) some of which will require you to provide a cable, some not.

4) Every modern auto I've driven has it. Agree, it's awesome.

5) Coasting mode makes high speed driving a lot easier I find, and more efficient. I do prefer high regen around town though.

6) Yep, haptic steering wheel buttons are hugely annoying and should be binned. Find yourself brushing them constantly.

7) Can't stand most of it and the first thing I turn off in ours.

8) Reverse cameras are ace, wouldn't be without one now by choice. Auto parking a gimmick you'll use once, scare yourself and then never bother again IME. smile

9) Benefit of a ground up EV design. All of ours have been tardis like for that reason, whereas some of the shared platform stuff is very poor.

13) Our reasoning has similarly never been about green credentials or saving money. We just prefer the usability of an EV to ICE as a daily.

mikeyr

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3,192 posts

207 months

Tuesday 2nd August 2022
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SWoll said:
4) Every modern auto I've driven has it. Agree, it's awesome.

8) Reverse cameras are ace, wouldn't be without one now by choice. Auto parking a gimmick you'll use once, scare yourself and then never bother again IME. smile

9) Benefit of a ground up EV design. All of ours have been tardis like for that reason, whereas some of the shared platform stuff is very poor.
4. My 1996 Impreza had it (released by raising the clutch) and don't know why it wasn't widespread.

8. Agree, had one in a crappy old Nissan TIno and could get it into crazy spaces.

9. I really enjoyed a test drive in a Mazda MX-30 but hard to justify when the bonnet was a third of the car. ID.3 has bigger boot, so much more space inside and I think drives just as nicely if not better. Quite surprised how much I like tooling around in it, weight not noticeable.



Edited by mikeyr on Tuesday 2nd August 14:36

mikeyr

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207 months

Tuesday 2nd August 2022
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somouk said:
Sounds like you’ve taken a big leap forward and are enjoying it.

For point 1 - the lead is for if you are using a public charger.
I am indeed!

sjg

7,592 posts

279 months

Tuesday 2nd August 2022
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Some pins in the cable are deliberately short so it can't be an extension. As said, slower public AC chargers are usually a type 2 socket for your own cable, as are some home chargers.

When you're charging out and about though you'll usually be wanting a rapid charger with CCS (aka DC Combo) which looks similar but with two big pins underneath. The car will take AC but be much slower.

mikeyr

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3,192 posts

207 months

Tuesday 2nd August 2022
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Thanks, I'm looking forward to trying this for the first time - kinda feels novel at the mo.

somouk

1,425 posts

212 months

Wednesday 3rd August 2022
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mikeyr said:
Thanks, I'm looking forward to trying this for the first time - kinda feels novel at the mo.
Public charging with anything but a Tesla can be hit and miss, the novelty soon wears off or it becomes expensive either due to the electricity cost or the fact the chargers are at a service station where even a drink is expensive.

PLuKE

283 posts

204 months

Thursday 4th August 2022
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Interesting thread.

I have been looking into the ID3, currently own a 2016 330d estate.

How do you find the space, interior and boot, compared to your C Class?

Lastly, fuel vs electric cost? How is that shaping up?

Kind regards

ChocolateFrog

31,663 posts

187 months

Thursday 4th August 2022
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The Haptic buttons are terrible, worst thing about the car IMO.

The matrix lights are rubbish too. Nice idea in theory but not quite clever enough to work properly. They struggle with the concrete central dividers on motorways, I guess because the car can't see the headlights on the other carriageway? it randomly blinds oncoming traffic. It's bad enough that I've become paranoid about using them and often just switch off the intelligent aspect.

The brakes also feel poor once past the regen and into the actual brakes. They feel woefully inadequate for the weight of the car the couple of times I've actually had to step on them, not confidence inspirsing at all. I reckon 90% of the driving I do I solely regen braking though which works well as long as you plan ahead sufficiently.

Other than that it's not a bad car at all and was by far the cheapest EV on our salary sacrifice scheme, I think they're quite a bit more expensive now.

A dual motor version with circa 300-350hp would be a brilliant daily IMO. Hopefully they build the sporty version that they've hinted at.

ChocolateFrog

31,663 posts

187 months

Thursday 4th August 2022
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I even took ours on my favourite driving road that I regularly use between Bedale and Sedbergh.

It's a bit heavy which you can feel in the corners but perfect for the 30-60 bursts you need to make use of the overtaking opportunities.

It was genuinely enjoyable to drive, yes it doesn't sound as good as a TVR but I reckon I'm faster in the ID3 than the Chimaera laugh

Less conspicuous and less likely to die in a crash.

mikeyr

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3,192 posts

207 months

Tuesday 6th September 2022
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PLuKE said:
Interesting thread.

I have been looking into the ID3, currently own a 2016 330d estate.

How do you find the space, interior and boot, compared to your C Class?

Lastly, fuel vs electric cost? How is that shaping up?

Kind regards
Sorry for delay, went on hols and forgot about this thread!

Space inside is much roomier than the C Class. Leg and head room for days. Interior is more minimalist but I like the airiness.
Boot is smaller but deeper so works better for dogs in some ways as the rear seat backs are same height as them so they can sit up but without worrying about them bounding into the car from the boot. Obviously miss out on the size when put seats down, it's big enough but rear seats don't fold flat couldn't get a range oven in there (which managed in the Merc!).

Fuel costs...well, if my maths is right it costs us about a quarter of the price per mile in general.



mikeyr

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207 months

Tuesday 6th September 2022
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ChocolateFrog said:
The Haptic buttons are terrible, worst thing about the car IMO.

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The brakes also feel poor once past the regen and into the actual brakes. They feel woefully inadequate for the weight of the car the couple of times I've actually had to step on them, not confidence inspiring at all. I reckon 90% of the driving I do I solely regen braking though which works well as long as you plan ahead sufficiently.

It is frustrating when you go to toggle the switch for the passenger mirror for a better view reversing and then accidentally graze the haptic button that folds up the wing mirrors! Done that several times now, suddenly staring at the sky biggrin

Like you it's regen all the way for me, car felt like it was 'running away' from me otherwise. I found the brakes in D mode did feel a little underpowered, or at least needed a big prod to start the process, but I've found them okay when combined with B mode.

mikeyr

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207 months

Tuesday 6th September 2022
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I had the 12v battery update and 2.4 software last week. Thoroughly painless experience at Peter Cooper who were great, I contacted them directly to get it booked in. They also replaced a rear tyre that had a nail in it, first irreparable puncture in 20 years.

Off topic but on the subject of matrix headlights, I was driving our shed last week and a BMW of some description was behind that had them. It was amazing, their headlights extended way beyond my own on either side of my car but didn't blind me at all. They also swivelled to the right/left when following me through corners. Wasn't even that close behind me and made my life much easier as wasn't relying on 20 year old crappy headlights. Shame it sounds like the VW ones aren't as good.

mikeyr

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3,192 posts

207 months

Monday 21st November 2022
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An update on the ID.3 and the good/bad/downright weird. I'd give it a 7 out of 10 currently.

It can be...flakey. I'm still on software 2.4 which may resolve some issues and therefore voice control is still as woeful as it was before. Anyway, I can live with that in a car I haven't brought outright but if I'd dropped £35k of my own money on it I would be annoyed that:

1. It'll throw up random messages occasionally, e.g.
- a - Once a fortnight (on average) it'll tell me "Front Assist Availability Limited". Car is clean so not likely to be a covered up sensor.
- b - Every so often the ID bar will light up red and warn me I'm about to crash and die. I'm guessing could be a leaf flashing past the sensors but maybe it also knows my cholesterol is high?
- c - Had a nice new warning last week for five minutes, told me dynamic cornering lights were playing up. As I don't have the matrix lights I'm guessing it meant the way the front light dims slightly when indicating. But again, came and went so who knows.

2. The app is not massively useful and I have about a 10% success rate getting it to turn on heating/air con remotely.

3. The mirrors are downright frustrating when reversing. As I mentioned last time round, turn the mirror directional switch to the left when in reverse and the mirror points downwards. Which is great, but you've got a double whammy of either turning the switch a mm too far OR accidentally pressing the actual haptic button which folds them up anyway. Either way, reversing is less fun when the mirrors point to the sky. It's a disastrous set up and I managed to do this 3 (yes, THREE) times when reversing onto the drive one night.

Good stuff is:
1. It's super accurate with the mileage. If I set off knowing I have 200 miles there for me I'm pretty confident it'll do the 200 miles. Recent trip to Bristol confirmed this to be the case even though car was not regularly being used for long motorway blats before this journey.

2. Heated seats are toasty and I find it a comfortable place to be even for longer journeys.

3. I changed the interior LED lights to a funky purple and now I feel like a 70's disco when I drive at night. This makes me happy. Even though if you change these for individual mode it stays the same colour in every mode, e.g. sport is no longer red lighting, economy green lighting, etc. Sounds silly but I liked the visual clue to the mode. I've gone for everything in standard mode apart for air con which is set to economy as then doesn't pile cold air at you quite so enthusiastically.

4. Our 'fuel' bill for it seems to be about £65 a month. Which is currently the amount we all get off our leccy bills. So that works out nicely,

raspy

1,995 posts

108 months

Monday 21st November 2022
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mikeyr said:
An update on the ID.3 and the good/bad/downright weird. I'd give it a 7 out of 10 currently.

It can be...flakey. I'm still on software 2.4 which may resolve some issues and therefore voice control is still as woeful as it was before. Anyway, I can live with that in a car I haven't brought outright but if I'd dropped £35k of my own money on it I would be annoyed that:

1. It'll throw up random messages occasionally, e.g.
- a - Once a fortnight (on average) it'll tell me "Front Assist Availability Limited". Car is clean so not likely to be a covered up sensor.
- b - Every so often the ID bar will light up red and warn me I'm about to crash and die. I'm guessing could be a leaf flashing past the sensors but maybe it also knows my cholesterol is high?
- c - Had a nice new warning last week for five minutes, told me dynamic cornering lights were playing up. As I don't have the matrix lights I'm guessing it meant the way the front light dims slightly when indicating. But again, came and went so who knows.

2. The app is not massively useful and I have about a 10% success rate getting it to turn on heating/air con remotely.

3. The mirrors are downright frustrating when reversing. As I mentioned last time round, turn the mirror directional switch to the left when in reverse and the mirror points downwards. Which is great, but you've got a double whammy of either turning the switch a mm too far OR accidentally pressing the actual haptic button which folds them up anyway. Either way, reversing is less fun when the mirrors point to the sky. It's a disastrous set up and I managed to do this 3 (yes, THREE) times when reversing onto the drive one night.

Good stuff is:
1. It's super accurate with the mileage. If I set off knowing I have 200 miles there for me I'm pretty confident it'll do the 200 miles. Recent trip to Bristol confirmed this to be the case even though car was not regularly being used for long motorway blats before this journey.

2. Heated seats are toasty and I find it a comfortable place to be even for longer journeys.

3. I changed the interior LED lights to a funky purple and now I feel like a 70's disco when I drive at night. This makes me happy. Even though if you change these for individual mode it stays the same colour in every mode, e.g. sport is no longer red lighting, economy green lighting, etc. Sounds silly but I liked the visual clue to the mode. I've gone for everything in standard mode apart for air con which is set to economy as then doesn't pile cold air at you quite so enthusiastically.

4. Our 'fuel' bill for it seems to be about £65 a month. Which is currently the amount we all get off our leccy bills. So that works out nicely,
I would be annoyed with a car like that where the software is not fit for purpose, regardless of whether it's leased or purchased. Good luck!

somouk

1,425 posts

212 months

Tuesday 22nd November 2022
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Interesting to see the VW CEO has now admitted the tech and lack of buttons are a failure and they are making big changes to go back to physical buttons and improve the tech.

Welcome changes for them to backtrack for me but I'm already a lost customer for the VAG group.

mikeyr

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3,192 posts

207 months

Tuesday 22nd November 2022
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The software isn't great, certainly not what you'd expect from a car that has now been available for a couple of years. I think I'm probably pretty tolerant of the bugs as I'm used to driving cars that are a fair bit older. I do find the app more frustrating than it should be; interestingly, if I try to turn on the heating remotely it'll do nothing. But if I set a departure time remotely it will warm/cool the car. Which shows it isn't an issue with the signal.

If there is one thing I can't work out how got past the design stage it's the fact the temperature or volume controls aren't backlit. The joy of stabbing in the dark at a black surface in the hope it'll warm up is ridiculous.

TheDrownedApe

1,386 posts

70 months

Tuesday 22nd November 2022
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mikeyr said:
The software isn't great, certainly not what you'd expect from a car that has now been available for a couple of years. I think I'm probably pretty tolerant of the bugs as I'm used to driving cars that are a fair bit older. I do find the app more frustrating than it should be; interestingly, if I try to turn on the heating remotely it'll do nothing. But if I set a departure time remotely it will warm/cool the car. Which shows it isn't an issue with the signal.

If there is one thing I can't work out how got past the design stage it's the fact the temperature or volume controls aren't backlit. The joy of stabbing in the dark at a black surface in the hope it'll warm up is ridiculous.
Also a lease iD3 owner and agree with all your points, except the accuracy of the range. recently charged to 90% and showed 210 miles. took it out for the day, next night charged again and showed 186 miles. Drove economically for about 8 miles and the range went down to 164. annoys me a little but most of my journeys are within 100 miles anyway so idk.

I have a C40 recharge coming in Mar and it has...some buttons smile so excited. Range will be slightly less though even with slightly bigger battery. My only range inducing sweats are 145 miles on the motorway up north and 160 x country to Harlech.

I would prefer another id3 but doesn't make financial sense with salary lease

mikeyr

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3,192 posts

207 months

Wednesday 23rd November 2022
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Interesting on the range stuff there Ape, wonder if it was temperature related? Been fortunate so far this year that not really had any frosts.