Anyone else had the call

[tedblog]

Placed an order for a Macan GTS in jan 22 , tbh a pretty smug salesman saying we,ve filled our allocation and id be looking at q3 2023 so no build date.
This week ive had the call from the same salesman offering me 2 builds for December 22 and Jan 23 , he got a bit funny when i said im still happy to wait for the original date , but he cant force me to take my car early.
I want to hang it out as long as possible to see how the next 12 months pan out tbh.

Edited by tedblog on Thursday 11th August 18:17

[andyeds1234]

I’d take it now if I were you. Although the car market is in correction, interesting Porsches and anything with a GTS badge seem to be shifting pretty well.
Almost all the new shape Macan GTS are listed at a chunk over £90k, with the OPCs, and they seem to be selling. Worst case (at a guess) you’ll get 12-18 months free motoring.

Edited by andyeds1234 on Thursday 11th August 16:18

[esotericar]

andyeds1234 said:

I’d take it now if I were you.

I wouldn't, unless I particularly needed to / was desperate for a shiny new Macan. Delivery in December with 18 months - two years ownership could see owner selling into a pretty grim market. Or not. But it remains to be seen.

I'd be interested in seeing what the market looks like next spring. Things could really have nose dived by then, in which case picking up a nearly new car could be the value option. Or if it turns out that everything is fine still in spring despite all the warning signs, fine, take the delivery in Q3.

Just to qualify that, I'm not sure at what point you have to make an absolute commitment to buy.

[First Sea Lord]

tedblog said:

Placed an order for a Macan GTS in jan 21 , tbh a pretty smug salesman saying we,ve filled our allocation and id be looking at q3 2023 so no build date.
This week ive had the call from the same salesman offering me 2 builds for December 22 and Jan 23 , he got a bit funny when i said im still happy to wait for the original date , but he cant force me to take my car early.
I want to hang it out as long as possible to see how the next 12 months pan out tbh.

Placed an order in Jan 22? Otherwise that'll have been one of the longest waits in recent times I suspect.

[andyeds1234]

esotericar said:

andyeds1234 said:

I’d take it now if I were you.

I wouldn't, unless I particularly needed to / was desperate for a shiny new Macan. Delivery in December with 18 months - two years ownership could see owner selling into a pretty grim market. Or not. But it remains to be seen.

I'd be interested in seeing what the market looks like next spring. Things could really have nose dived by then, in which case picking up a nearly new car could be the value option. Or if it turns out that everything is fine still in spring despite all the warning signs, fine, take the delivery in Q3.

Just to qualify that, I'm not sure at what point you have to make an absolute commitment to buy.

It’s clearly a guessing game, but I’d place a fiver on the new/nearly new Porsche market remaining buoyant, due to undersupply, and the target market.

[tedblog]

First Sea Lord said:

Placed an order in Jan 22? Otherwise that'll have been one of the longest waits in recent times I suspect.

Ive corrected it for you sir.

[tedblog]

esotericar said:

I wouldn't, unless I particularly needed to / was desperate for a shiny new Macan. Delivery in December with 18 months - two years ownership could see owner selling into a pretty grim market. Or not. But it remains to be seen.

I'd be interested in seeing what the market looks like next spring. Things could really have nose dived by then, in which case picking up a nearly new car could be the value option. Or if it turns out that everything is fine still in spring despite all the warning signs, fine, take the delivery in Q3.

Just to qualify that, I'm not sure at what point you have to make an absolute commitment to buy.

Dont have to commit until.it goes into build , so free to cancel up until then.
I think jan 23 will be a big month and a sign of things to come ,
Things wont really bite until then .
Im 50 50 at the moment, just dont want to commit if my car money is being taken up with the increase in the cost of living?

Edited by tedblog on Thursday 11th August 19:08

[esotericar]

andyeds1234 said:

It’s clearly a guessing game, but I’d place a fiver on the new/nearly new Porsche market remaining buoyant, due to undersupply, and the target market.

Porsche is building cars in record numbers according to their own official figures. Add that to a recession and it's hard to see how the current situation, which people seem to forget is abnormal, continues. Not that a recession is guaranteed. But if it does happen and it's fairly substantial, I absolutely do not see the market remaining buoyant.

It won't take much to go from under supply to significant oversupply.

[andyeds1234]

esotericar said:

andyeds1234 said:

It’s clearly a guessing game, but I’d place a fiver on the new/nearly new Porsche market remaining buoyant, due to undersupply, and the target market.

Porsche is building cars in record numbers according to their own official figures. Add that to a recession and it's hard to see how the current situation, which people seem to forget is abnormal, continues. Not that a recession is guaranteed. But if it does happen and it's fairly substantial, I absolutely do not see the market remaining buoyant.

It won't take much to go from under supply to significant oversupply.

As I said, it’s a guessing game.
However, real world experience, having ordered a 992, at the end of 2021, it won’t be delivered until the beginning of 2023 at the earliest.
Macan GTS orders are typically 10-12 months from order to delivery. There’s a stack of orders after mine for the 992, and I believe it’s the same for the Macan GTS.

Change in supply/demand will take some time to change that situation.

Edited by andyeds1234 on Friday 12th August 10:09

[simonsti]

Macan GTS orders are least 18 months!

[Koln-RS]

If the expectations of 'doom and gloom' do materialise - then £90k fossil-fuelled SUVs might well be piling up on the forecourts.

[tedblog]

simonsti said:

Macan GTS orders are least 18 months!

Thats what i signed up for.

[andyeds1234]

tedblog said:

simonsti said:

Macan GTS orders are least 18 months!

Thats what i signed up for.

A friend of mine ordered in September last year and took delivery in June, but he had one of the first orders in at our OPC, so I’m not surprised lead time are longer now.

It’s actually sat on my drive now, as he left it with me while he’s on holiday. Having been out a few times in it, it’s a bit small for us, compared with our Cayenne S, but it feels more special. The ride is superb, better than the Cayenne, which is a surprise as they are both on air springs, but the Macan is just better settled. It also makes a superb noise when pushing on. I can see why it’s the pick of the Macan bunch.

[AMV93]

I got very lucky with mine, ordered it November '21 and it was delivered April this year. I ordered another one when I collected this one, with the logic that this one is still worth its list price and if that's the case when the next one arrives why wouldn't I switch to a newer car with brand new consumables and another year away from its first service etc for effectively free?

At the last checkin with my OPC, the next car isn't looking likely until at least Q1 next year. What the market is like by then is anyone's guess, but I'm only committed when the spec is locked. That will probably be December/Jan so we should have a better idea of the market by then.

My further thinking now that they're likely to take a bit of a hit value wise next year is that as long as this car sells for [cost price - monthly payments up to new car delivery] it's still a decent deal, as I'm not out of pocket per se.

I also went a little overboard on the options (Burmeister etc) as I figured one of these will be a keeper, I have zero interest in the electric version that will replace it. That means I'll probably take more of a hit on it than I would otherwise, even if I sold it in the current climate.

[Slaav]

tedblog said:

Dont have to commit until.it goes into build , so free to cancel up until then.
I think jan 23 will be a big month and a sign of things to come ,
Things wont really bite until then .
Im 50 50 at the moment, just dont want to commit if my car money is being taken up with the increase in the cost of living?

Edited by tedblog on Thursday 11th August 19:08

With the best will in the world - and I honestly mean that despite the following:

If you’re worried personally about the ‘cost of living crisis’ when buying a bright shiny new Macan GTS, may I suggest you walk away from the car altogether? I’m not sure priorities are sensibly weighted and ordered if both the above are true? In that if there isn’t plenty of room in your budget or spare cash, don’t spend upwards of £80k on a Porsche.

Any (real) doubt, dump the shiny toy!

I know it’s perfectly possible to manage finances and PCP these cars but unless your finances are pretty robust, don’t put yourself under that much pressure. If things go further t1ts up, which they may well do, losing money on that car will just be a second kick to the bks.

Sorry for sounding like a grumpy grandad but I’ve lent cash to people/good friends to pay monthly bills, school fees and even mortgage payments while everybody sees the shiny toys and assumes they are loaded. The stress financial pressure can put you under affects people in different ways.

Lecture over!

Or just get it sooner, smile from ear to ear, assuming the worst case and in your head, write off that worst case scenario cash.

Again, sorry for being a grump!

[SuperPav]

Reason for the calls is dealers have been given allocation to end of 2022 earlier than they usually would see it, so they'll be looking to fill slots that 2 months ago they weren't sure whether they'd get or not.
GTS of all Macan is still in high demand..

[Kickstart]

I suspect we will also be seeing some chunky price rises which makes taking it sooner than later rather appealing

[tedblog]

Slaav said:

With the best will in the world - and I honestly mean that despite the following:

If you’re worried personally about the ‘cost of living crisis’ when buying a bright shiny new Macan GTS, may I suggest you walk away from the car altogether? I’m not sure priorities are sensibly weighted and ordered if both the above are true? In that if there isn’t plenty of room in your budget or spare cash, don’t spend upwards of £80k on a Porsche.

Any (real) doubt, dump the shiny toy!

I know it’s perfectly possible to manage finances and PCP these cars but unless your finances are pretty robust, don’t put yourself under that much pressure. If things go further t1ts up, which they may well do, losing money on that car will just be a second kick to the bks.

Sorry for sounding like a grumpy grandad but I’ve lent cash to people/good friends to pay monthly bills, school fees and even mortgage payments while everybody sees the shiny toys and assumes they are loaded. The stress financial pressure can put you under affects people in different ways.

Lecture over!

Or just get it sooner, smile from ear to ear, assuming the worst case and in your head, write off that worst case scenario cash.

Again, sorry for being a grump!

I understand your point, not boasty, but the money is sat there waiting. I wouldnt hp or pcp .
I dont see the point of hiring a car for 3 years at the cost of £40k .but each to their own.
Been caught in the past where ive lost big money on cars due to past situations etc etc.
Tbh when the 2030 arrives i think ice will become an expensive commodity so hence why do this now.
Ill wait and assess as id prefer not to lose too much.

Edited by tedblog on Wednesday 17th August 09:48

[tedblog]

Kickstart said:

I suspect we will also be seeing some chunky price rises which makes taking it sooner than later rather appealing

Yes they reckon around 5%

[AMV93]

Kickstart said:

I suspect we will also be seeing some chunky price rises which makes taking it sooner than later rather appealing

For sure, there's been a further price rise on the Macan since I ordered my second on in April, I ordered the GT4 at the same time and there's been 2 further increases on that car too, I think the last one was around £1200.

It does make you wonder how much more the base car will be by this time next year - when I ordered my current Macan GTS the base price was something like £65k, it's now £68,800 on the configurator.