Polestar O2 will be built as the Polestar 6 - reservations o
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The stunning O2 is going to be built. It's way beyond my meagre means (reservations cost $25k). Any guesses on the price?
https://www.polestar.com/uk/polestar-6
https://www.polestar.com/uk/polestar-6
raspy said:
SWoll said:
I assumed that was a misprint..
Madness.
I think 200k USD is good value. Madness.
I'm struggling to make a fair prediction personally. At 200k per unit I'm sure it'll be very good... But can it really be better than a Taycan TS with all performance options for a bit less money!? This is literally a battle between tech boffins at Polestar and generations of sportscar knowledge at Porsche.
Interesting stuff!
TheDeuce said:
raspy said:
SWoll said:
I assumed that was a misprint..
Madness.
I think 200k USD is good value. Madness.
I'm struggling to make a fair prediction personally. At 200k per unit I'm sure it'll be very good... But can it really be better than a Taycan TS with all performance options for a bit less money!? This is literally a battle between tech boffins at Polestar and generations of sportscar knowledge at Porsche.
Interesting stuff!
It looks quite nice. Chunky looking thing and the rendering or a stock taking screen in the middle of the dash is a bit budget and last decade.
What I find mildly interesting about the Polestar brand is that on the M40 where the conventional London to Oxford speed is around 90 they're the only EV that ever passes you, all the Tesla's are hypermiling well below the limit. It comes across as the only EV brand which gets driven normally.
What I find mildly interesting about the Polestar brand is that on the M40 where the conventional London to Oxford speed is around 90 they're the only EV that ever passes you, all the Tesla's are hypermiling well below the limit. It comes across as the only EV brand which gets driven normally.
DonkeyApple said:
It looks quite nice. Chunky looking thing and the rendering or a stock taking screen in the middle of the dash is a bit budget and last decade.
What I find mildly interesting about the Polestar brand is that on the M40 where the conventional London to Oxford speed is around 90 they're the only EV that ever passes you, all the Tesla's are hypermiling well below the limit. It comes across as the only EV brand which gets driven normally.
I understand they have renamed the left lane "the Tesla lane" maybe we could also have a Tesla/Bus lane on the M40 too save getting stuck behind one. It's seams odd that a Tesla with decent range and still the drivers have such anxiety when I assume they are mostly Oxford to London which is a 140 miles round trip max.What I find mildly interesting about the Polestar brand is that on the M40 where the conventional London to Oxford speed is around 90 they're the only EV that ever passes you, all the Tesla's are hypermiling well below the limit. It comes across as the only EV brand which gets driven normally.
DonkeyApple said:
It looks quite nice. Chunky looking thing and the rendering or a stock taking screen in the middle of the dash is a bit budget and last decade.
What I find mildly interesting about the Polestar brand is that on the M40 where the conventional London to Oxford speed is around 90 they're the only EV that ever passes you, all the Tesla's are hypermiling well below the limit. It comes across as the only EV brand which gets driven normally.
I understand they have renamed the left lane "the Tesla lane" maybe we could also have a Tesla/Bus lane on the M40 too save getting stuck behind one. It's seams odd that a Tesla with decent range and still the drivers have such anxiety when I assume they are mostly Oxford to London which is a 140 miles round trip max.What I find mildly interesting about the Polestar brand is that on the M40 where the conventional London to Oxford speed is around 90 they're the only EV that ever passes you, all the Tesla's are hypermiling well below the limit. It comes across as the only EV brand which gets driven normally.
ashenfie said:
I understand they have renamed the left lane "the Tesla lane" maybe we could also have a Tesla/Bus lane on the M40 too save getting stuck behind one. It's seams odd that a Tesla with decent range and still the drivers have such anxiety when I assume they are mostly Oxford to London which is a 140 miles round trip max.
I think it must just be the nature of the type of driver. The Tesla's all seem to be L1 driver types who sit in L2 but while there are far fewer Polestars about when I encounter them they are almost always overtaking me rather than slowing me down by 20mph. Certainly on the Town and Country stretch of the M40 which since it opened has had a 90 L3 the Tesla cars which would be absolutely ideal for doing the 150m round trip without needing to change any driving style instead seem to have attracted your more traditional Leyland-Rover- MINI L2 hypermiler whereas Polestar seems to be the folk who still want to run the M40/A40 section at standard speed.
It might be unique to a particular section of the South East but one seems like the new Rover/Vauxhall sort of product while the other seems more BMW/Merc saloon of old?
DonkeyApple said:
ashenfie said:
I understand they have renamed the left lane "the Tesla lane" maybe we could also have a Tesla/Bus lane on the M40 too save getting stuck behind one. It's seams odd that a Tesla with decent range and still the drivers have such anxiety when I assume they are mostly Oxford to London which is a 140 miles round trip max.
I think it must just be the nature of the type of driver. The Tesla's all seem to be L1 driver types who sit in L2 but while there are far fewer Polestars about when I encounter them they are almost always overtaking me rather than slowing me down by 20mph.ajap1979 said:
DonkeyApple said:
ashenfie said:
I understand they have renamed the left lane "the Tesla lane" maybe we could also have a Tesla/Bus lane on the M40 too save getting stuck behind one. It's seams odd that a Tesla with decent range and still the drivers have such anxiety when I assume they are mostly Oxford to London which is a 140 miles round trip max.
I think it must just be the nature of the type of driver. The Tesla's all seem to be L1 driver types who sit in L2 but while there are far fewer Polestars about when I encounter them they are almost always overtaking me rather than slowing me down by 20mph.Anyway, back on topic. Does anyone get excited at the prospect of an EV sports/supercar? I'm a big EV advocate for daily transport but see zero appeal in this type of car. Too much weight, too little drama, the efficiency of the Ev drivetrain really works against it in this scenario for me.
SWoll said:
Anyway, back on topic. Does anyone get excited at the prospect of an EV sports/supercar? I'm a big EV advocate for daily transport but see zero appeal in this type of car. Too much weight, too little drama, the efficiency of the Ev drivetrain really works against it in this scenario for me.
I'd like to remain opening minded, but I share the same thoughts, and I can't see Polestar being the one to crack the nut, so to speak. However you could argue that the Polestar 6 isn't a sports car, it's potentially more of an electric equivalent to the Mercedes SL?ajap1979 said:
SWoll said:
Anyway, back on topic. Does anyone get excited at the prospect of an EV sports/supercar? I'm a big EV advocate for daily transport but see zero appeal in this type of car. Too much weight, too little drama, the efficiency of the Ev drivetrain really works against it in this scenario for me.
I'd like to remain opening minded, but I share the same thoughts, and I can't see Polestar being the one to crack the nut, so to speak. However you could argue that the Polestar 6 isn't a sports car, it's potentially more of an electric equivalent to the Mercedes SL?However, we also need to appreciate that a huge chunk of sports cars simply aren't used in any kind of sporting capacity.
A heavy thing like this Polestar is going to be restricted to urban usage and when travelling will need to plan ahead and make use of motorways but in reality that's probably not much of an inhibitor. It makes it more of a GT for urban/suburban driveways with other cars next to it but I doubt that will inhibit sales.
Arguably EV sports cars fit the reality of most sports car usage, it's the dream and illusion that's an integral element of the sports car that it inhibits. A bit like many SUVs still clinging to the illusion of offroad freedom, excitement and adventure when all its ever going to do is trundle to the shops or office all its life.
DonkeyApple said:
I've arguably made my views on EVs simply not working as true sports cars due to the battery problem quite clear.
However, we also need to appreciate that a huge chunk of sports cars simply aren't used in any kind of sporting capacity.
A heavy thing like this Polestar is going to be restricted to urban usage and when travelling will need to plan ahead and make use of motorways but in reality that's probably not much of an inhibitor. It makes it more of a GT for urban/suburban driveways with other cars next to it but I doubt that will inhibit sales.
Arguably EV sports cars fit the reality of most sports car usage, it's the dream and illusion that's an integral element of the sports car that it inhibits. A bit like many SUVs still clinging to the illusion of offroad freedom, excitement and adventure when all its ever going to do is trundle to the shops or office all its life.
Whilst I agree about the usage, for me that makes the ICE drivetrain even more important. The ability to entertain and make an emotional connection even at low speeds via factors like the sound, gearbox, vibration and overall mechanical feel of the car is where the sterility and efficiency of the EV drivetrain falls flat IME. That's before getting to te limitations f the battery you eluded to in your post.However, we also need to appreciate that a huge chunk of sports cars simply aren't used in any kind of sporting capacity.
A heavy thing like this Polestar is going to be restricted to urban usage and when travelling will need to plan ahead and make use of motorways but in reality that's probably not much of an inhibitor. It makes it more of a GT for urban/suburban driveways with other cars next to it but I doubt that will inhibit sales.
Arguably EV sports cars fit the reality of most sports car usage, it's the dream and illusion that's an integral element of the sports car that it inhibits. A bit like many SUVs still clinging to the illusion of offroad freedom, excitement and adventure when all its ever going to do is trundle to the shops or office all its life.
I respect it hugely, but for a car in this sector that's not nearly enough IMHO.
SWoll said:
Whilst I agree about the usage, for me that makes the ICE drivetrain even more important. The ability to entertain and make an emotional connection even at low speeds via factors like the sound, gearbox, vibration and overall mechanical feel of the car is where the sterility and efficiency of the EV drivetrain falls flat IME.
I respect it hugely, but for a car in this sector that's not nearly enough IMHO.
I agree but at the same time I don't think there will be a shortage of buyers for EV sports cars because I think the truth and reality was revealed when VW shoved a tractor engine into a TT and it sold like hot cakes. The same with VW sticking a wheezy, non performance diesel in their early Cayennes and it selling like hot cakes to the point that Porsche even worried that it's popularity was going to blow up the brand. I respect it hugely, but for a car in this sector that's not nearly enough IMHO.
I think it's safe to hold the view that most sports cars are for show rather than how you or I might use one.
Cars like this are never value for money or justified.
This is for someone who already has a driveway/garage full of vehicles and will probably use it a handful of times a year.
Comparisons to Porsche EV’s can just stop because this is something you buy with your heart, not a calculator.
This is for someone who already has a driveway/garage full of vehicles and will probably use it a handful of times a year.
Comparisons to Porsche EV’s can just stop because this is something you buy with your heart, not a calculator.
DonkeyApple said:
I agree but at the same time I don't think there will be a shortage of buyers for EV sports cars because I think the truth and reality was revealed when VW shoved a tractor engine into a TT and it sold like hot cakes. The same with VW sticking a wheezy, non performance diesel in their early Cayennes and it selling like hot cakes to the point that Porsche even worried that it's popularity was going to blow up the brand.
I think it's safe to hold the view that most sports cars are for show rather than how you or I might use one.
You're talking about practical everyday cars where the power train is far less important to many buyers. At £170k for a sportscar I'm of the opinion buyers will have rather different motivations.although there will of corse be a few posers and i could be wrong. I think it's safe to hold the view that most sports cars are for show rather than how you or I might use one.
SDK said:
Cars like this are never value for money or justified.
This is for someone who already has a driveway/garage full of vehicles and will probably use it a handful of times a year.
Comparisons to Porsche EV’s can just stop because this is something you buy with your heart, not a calculator.
Cars like this? When has there ever been a car like this before? An electric powered, Chinese made, £170k sportscar?This is for someone who already has a driveway/garage full of vehicles and will probably use it a handful of times a year.
Comparisons to Porsche EV’s can just stop because this is something you buy with your heart, not a calculator.
Probably best to wait and see if it's any good before waxing lyrical about emotive purchasing reasons I'd suggest.
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