RE: Cupra Leon veers from hot to affordably warm

RE: Cupra Leon veers from hot to affordably warm

Monday 5th September 2022

Cupra Leon veers from hot to affordably warm

Put off by the thought of a profligate Leon? Cupra has a predictable engine-based plan...


Cupra has done a relatively good job of imposing itself on the UK market with bespoke models like the Formentor and its first EV, the Cupra Born. Granted, neither are the sort of option to blow you out of your socks, but they’re acutely well targeted at the modern car buyer, and seem to be selling accordingly. The current Cupra Leon though - counterintuitively, perhaps - seems like a harder sell. 

Not because it isn’t decent to drive or easy to understand; it is both of these things. The problem (and we’re semi-educated guessing here) is that the Leon launched as a relatively straightforward hot hatch, and the problem with doing that is that you’re limited to straightforward hot hatch buyers. And those buyers are a) very spoilt for choice, and b) not always as numerous as the market seems to think they are. 

Accordingly, much as it does with the Formentor, Cupra has opted to supplement the Leon lineup to ensorcel a broader cross-section of hatchback searchers. That means from next month you’ll be able to order one with either the 150hp 1.5-litre TSI or the 190hp 2.0-litre TSI. Needless to say, neither is going to be quite as invigorating as the 245hp and 300hp configurations currently available, but they will be handily cheaper - helped along by a new ‘V1’ entry-level trim - and almost certainly more cost effective to run. 

“The CUPRA Leon is already a king on the road, but we’re always developing the vehicle to maximise the offering for our customers, making it more customisable and grow its sales targets,” said Kai Vogler, Vice-president for Sales and Marketing at CUPRA. “With the introduction of these engines, our ambition is to achieve a big success with the CUPRA Leon, as we have done with the Formentor.”

The difference here, of course, is that the Formentor is exclusively available with a Cupra badge - and the Leon is not. You hardly need us to tell you that you can already buy one with the more efficient engines with a Seat badge on the nose, and if you told us that you favoured the toned-down FR look to Cupra’s copper-heavy stylings anyway, we might be inclined to agree with you. Either way, (and admittedly without knowing how much the new Leons will cost) there is clearly a premeditated case of Peter robbing Paul here. But evidently the powers that be think it worth the risk. 

And given the broader drift of the market (i.e. toward electrified compact SUVs) we’re not inclined to discourage any manufacturer from offering a conventional C-segment hatchback with a wider choice of unassisted petrol engines. Have at it, gents. Moreover, Cupra’s land grab also means that you’ll finally be able to order one with a manual gearbox. Attached to the wrong engine, sure. But still: progress. Of a sort. 


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big_rob_sydney

Original Poster:

3,596 posts

207 months

Monday 5th September 2022
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I do wonder about what is essentially the same car, built with different inputs. Can they really be all that different to manufacture in terms of price? These are, after all, road cars which must meet warranty requirements, and not F1 machines that are made from unobtainium. It wouldn't surprise me if the cost per unit to manufacture is nowhere near the disparity in final sales price.

Maybe the issue is pricing, and especially in the current times with inflation and cost of living pressures?

RumbleOfThunder

3,658 posts

216 months

Monday 5th September 2022
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This feels like an ad.

Martyn76

743 posts

130 months

Monday 5th September 2022
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RumbleOfThunder said:
This feels like an ad.
It did have me looking for the 'Promotion' header\graphic, certainly reads like one.

ED209

5,931 posts

257 months

Monday 5th September 2022
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Sure you will be able to order one but will they actually be able to supply you with one?

I ordered a Cupra Leon back in April and still no build date

ED209

5,931 posts

257 months

Monday 5th September 2022
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Sure you will be able to order one but will they actually be able to supply you with one?

I ordered a Cupra Leon back in April and still no build date

David87

6,858 posts

225 months

Monday 5th September 2022
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So the base car was made sporty and you can now get that sporty one, but not as sporty anymore. All the while you can get a more sporty version of the original SEAT one, the FR? Righto. thumbup

CarCrazyDad

4,280 posts

48 months

Monday 5th September 2022
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How much did Seat pay you to write this? smile

fantheman80

1,864 posts

62 months

Monday 5th September 2022
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“The CUPRA Leon is already a king on the road, .." - righto fella

I remember on the launch they gave the Uk journos a German car, with the brembo brakes, switchable modes on the steering wheel few other bits...which you couldn't actually order in the UK.

How the separate sporty offshoot cant emulate the quick Seat ibizas and Cupra R's of old is a real shame and missed opportunity

Jon_S_Rally

3,872 posts

101 months

Monday 5th September 2022
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When are they going to admit that the whole Cupra idea was a stupid one I wonder?

theplayingmantis

4,762 posts

95 months

Monday 5th September 2022
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Jon_S_Rally said:
When are they going to admit that the whole Cupra idea was a stupid one I wonder?
Actually its not, plenty of numpties ordered or drive one in my neck of the woods. Good idea in practice charge a slight premium (Genesis take note as your aiming to high and at wrong demographic) for bits of copper coloring to make people think there buying a premium product. They have relied on enough silly people to fall for it and UK market id brimming with them.

Average cars that look a bit snazzy, i quite like the transformers look now, but the cars leave me cold. All fur coat no knickers, yet the buying public with little knowledge or interest in cars laps it up! Genius marketing.

Leon R

3,414 posts

109 months

Monday 5th September 2022
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Isn’t the Cupra Leon and the equivalent price point that the Leon Cupra was?

Nimerino

300 posts

126 months

Monday 5th September 2022
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This is stupid.

The Formentor at least has the benefit of unique looks to the SEAT counterparts, even as the vast majority of them here in Sweden are 1.5 hybrids rented as three-year leases for a couple of hundred quid pcm. What’s the point of this thing?

Olivergt

1,838 posts

94 months

Monday 5th September 2022
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"ensorcel"?

I had to look that up.

Mike1990

1,068 posts

144 months

Monday 5th September 2022
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The 190bhp one will be pretty potent enough, you could get that in the older Leon FR. Plenty of performance, plus send it to Revo or something and you’ll easily have 240/50 bhp.


Motormatt

500 posts

231 months

Monday 5th September 2022
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theplayingmantis said:
Jon_S_Rally said:
Average cars that look a bit snazzy, i quite like the transformers look now, but the cars leave me cold. All fur coat no knickers, yet the buying public with little knowledge or interest in cars laps it up! Genius marketing.
Yup, this has worked very well for other manufacturers, I'm surprised they didn't do it sooner.

You've only got to look at the number of low powered hatches running about with M Sport, AMG line, S Line packages to see how popular they are, especially with younger customers who want the looks but not the insurance or running costs that come with the 'fast' versions.

blearyeyedboy

6,622 posts

192 months

Monday 5th September 2022
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The problem with low powered versions of snazzy looking performance brands is that the brand has to have enough gravitas to pull it off.

M Sport or AMG Line? Not my cup of tea but fair enough.
Audi S Line? Just about acceptable?

This? Like a Happy Shopper special.

There nothing wrong with the Leon and I generally line VAG performance cars. This leaves me cold though, it looks less Cupra and more coppery tat to me, I'm afraid.

Honourable Dead Snark

581 posts

32 months

Monday 5th September 2022
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theplayingmantis said:
Actually its not, plenty of numpties ordered or drive one in my neck of the woods. Good idea in practice charge a slight premium (Genesis take note as your aiming to high and at wrong demographic) for bits of copper coloring to make people think there buying a premium product. They have relied on enough silly people to fall for it and UK market id brimming with them.

Average cars that look a bit snazzy, i quite like the transformers look now, but the cars leave me cold. All fur coat no knickers, yet the buying public with little knowledge or interest in cars laps it up! Genius marketing.
My brother in law has a new Cupra Leon and I find this post bewildering to be honest.

What exactly are you comparing the cars to? No one is paying a “slight premium”, they’re getting a VW (except much better looking imo) for less money…

The buying public with little knowledge or interest in cars wouldn’t even be able to tell you what a Cupra is, my BIL gets blank stares when he tells people down the pub!

theplayingmantis

4,762 posts

95 months

Monday 5th September 2022
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Honourable Dead Snark said:
My brother in law has a new Cupra Leon and I find this post bewildering to be honest.

What exactly are you comparing the cars to? No one is paying a “slight premium”, they’re getting a VW (except much better looking imo) for less money…

The buying public with little knowledge or interest in cars wouldn’t even be able to tell you what a Cupra is, my BIL gets blank stares when he tells people down the pub!
I find it equally bewildering that anyone would buy (srry lease/pcp) one so we are even!

A premium over a perfectly fine Seat. Cupra is a marketing exercise.

No the public wouldn't have a clue, hence people actually buy these things taken in by the transformers looks and coppery badges, thinking they must be fast or 'premium' or whatever else they care about. Fair play i like the looks to degree (not the born completely nondescript), but the drive and performance leave me cold, fur coat no knickers as i say...

Baldchap

8,988 posts

105 months

Monday 5th September 2022
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I thought Cupra badged cars were the performance versions of SEAT models. Now you can get non-performance ones, isn't that just a SEAT?

Glosphil

4,599 posts

247 months

Monday 5th September 2022
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Mike1990 said:
The 190bhp one will be pretty potent enough, you could get that in the older Leon FR. Plenty of performance, plus send it to Revo or something and you’ll easily have 240/50 bhp.
2.0L 190hp is still availible in Mk4 Leon FR/FR Sport.