High mileage early 991 - thoughts
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What's the price. Would need to be uber cheap just because the market hates miles on these cars. It's all about the price. Very likely the car is good for another 100k miles without a major rebuild. But the market discounts for miles heavily and you;d also want to price in the at least somewhat increased risk of the engine or transmission being worn out.
Not cheap enough for me. You could argue that it's cheaper than just about any other 991. But if you search AT for 911s between 2011 and 2016 and sort by mileage, this is the highest mileage car on the market with hardly any even close to this mileage.
There are 185 cars listed and only four above 80k miles and only this car is over 90k miles. On page 18 out of 19 listing by ascending mileage, most of the cars are on 60k miles. In other words, there are hardly any high mile examples. In market valuation terms, this car is very rare but in a bad way.
No doubt the seller won't see it that way.
There are 185 cars listed and only four above 80k miles and only this car is over 90k miles. On page 18 out of 19 listing by ascending mileage, most of the cars are on 60k miles. In other words, there are hardly any high mile examples. In market valuation terms, this car is very rare but in a bad way.
No doubt the seller won't see it that way.
If it was a 964 or 993 people would be saying buy on condition rather than mileage.
These are quite possibly motorway miles in the main, so yes it could be a bit of a bargain. Some things age with time and others mileage, but hopefully regular servicing and care has taken care of the latter. The suspension might need a bit of work. Hopefully the water pump has been replaced.
These are quite possibly motorway miles in the main, so yes it could be a bit of a bargain. Some things age with time and others mileage, but hopefully regular servicing and care has taken care of the latter. The suspension might need a bit of work. Hopefully the water pump has been replaced.
I've got a 2012 Carrera S and its done nearly 90k miles. I bought it from JZM 5 years ago with 20k on the clock and they had given it a big service as it was due. I took it to Porsche and asked them to warranty it and they said they would have to service the car again and do a 111 point check first so I didn't bother. Next time I took it in for a service they did the 111 point check and it cost just under £5k to fix all the small issues they identified and another £2k for a 2 year warranty. So an expensive exercise to get it back under cover.
Since then it has broken down once, high pressure fuel pump solenoid, small issue but took 7 weeks to get the part as it was on back order, Porsche reading supplied a loan (Mercedes) for the duration. Otherwise they have covered a worn wheel bearing, cracked windscreen washer pipe, set of sports exhaust valves, cabin heater circulation fan, faulty rear spoiler electrical cable, and a worn coffin arm.
I do about 40 miles a day commuting and I think this regular use on a decent run where the car gets warmed up properly mitigates the high mileage to a degree. Ive had a few 911's before and they were not my daily, I used to leave it parked up all week and then take it out every weekend and drive it quite hard, certainly harder that I drive this one. When I see lower mileage cars I wonder how many of them are used in this way?
OP, If I was looking at a high mileage 911 as an affordable entry point to Porsche ownership, I would definitely look for a car that has Porsche warranty because it makes the cost of ownership predictable and relatively affordable. You can warranty any Porsche until it is 15 years old and max 125,000 miles.
Since then it has broken down once, high pressure fuel pump solenoid, small issue but took 7 weeks to get the part as it was on back order, Porsche reading supplied a loan (Mercedes) for the duration. Otherwise they have covered a worn wheel bearing, cracked windscreen washer pipe, set of sports exhaust valves, cabin heater circulation fan, faulty rear spoiler electrical cable, and a worn coffin arm.
I do about 40 miles a day commuting and I think this regular use on a decent run where the car gets warmed up properly mitigates the high mileage to a degree. Ive had a few 911's before and they were not my daily, I used to leave it parked up all week and then take it out every weekend and drive it quite hard, certainly harder that I drive this one. When I see lower mileage cars I wonder how many of them are used in this way?
OP, If I was looking at a high mileage 911 as an affordable entry point to Porsche ownership, I would definitely look for a car that has Porsche warranty because it makes the cost of ownership predictable and relatively affordable. You can warranty any Porsche until it is 15 years old and max 125,000 miles.
Converse2020 said:
Does anyone have any experience of high miles (100k) in an early 2912 991 manual ?
Price is good, advert reads well, colour not something I’d normally consider and mileage is on 100k miles.
Would you consider?
When I bought my 993 I was intentionally looking for a post 100K mile car as I was sick and tired of odometer watching on previous 911s as I just love driving them. Price is good, advert reads well, colour not something I’d normally consider and mileage is on 100k miles.
Would you consider?
It was that long ago that at the time 100K miles 993 was pretty much unheard of.
When looking at it (at a specialists) the name and address of the previous owner was written in the service book so I got on this new fangled thing called Google earth, found where she lived, I also found out what she did as a job from a simple Google search.
It was the owners daily drive. My 911 had spent 14 years of driving four miles to the M6 at Kendal, then 15 miles on the M6 to Lancaster and three miles off the motorway to her place of work. So a round trip of 44 miles a day…… and it had chance to warm up before getting on the M6 in the morning and on the way home.
So basically around 70% of travel was spent I assume in top gear trundling along the motorway.
This bears out in the comprehensive service history that came with the car. In 110K miles the total sum on suspension expense was one offside front ball joint.
When I bought her I replaced all the dampers though none were leaking and the original clutch was replaced last
year at a gobsmacking 160K miles.
So mileage (dependant on use if you can find it out) is of no concern imo if there’s a damn decent history with the car and you find out how that mileage stacked up.
Wozy68 said:
When I bought my 993 I was intentionally looking for a post 100K mile car as I was sick and tired of odometer watching on previous 911s as I just love driving them.
It was that long ago that at the time 100K miles 993 was pretty much unheard of.
When looking at it (at a specialists) the name and address of the previous owner was written in the service book so I got on this new fangled thing called Google earth, found where she lived, I also found out what she did as a job from a simple Google search.
It was the owners daily drive. My 911 had spent 14 years of driving four miles to the M6 at Kendal, then 15 miles on the M6 to Lancaster and three miles off the motorway to her place of work. So a round trip of 44 miles a day…… and it had chance to warm up before getting on the M6 in the morning and on the way home.
So basically around 70% of travel was spent I assume in top gear trundling along the motorway.
This bears out in the comprehensive service history that came with the car. In 110K miles the total sum on suspension expense was one offside front ball joint.
When I bought her I replaced all the dampers though none were leaking and the original clutch was replaced last
year at a gobsmacking 160K miles.
So mileage (dependant on use if you can find it out) is of no concern imo if there’s a damn decent history with the car and you find out how that mileage stacked up.
Brilliant to have an essentially (mechanically at least) nearly new car with zero attention being paid to the mileage. Top work. It was that long ago that at the time 100K miles 993 was pretty much unheard of.
When looking at it (at a specialists) the name and address of the previous owner was written in the service book so I got on this new fangled thing called Google earth, found where she lived, I also found out what she did as a job from a simple Google search.
It was the owners daily drive. My 911 had spent 14 years of driving four miles to the M6 at Kendal, then 15 miles on the M6 to Lancaster and three miles off the motorway to her place of work. So a round trip of 44 miles a day…… and it had chance to warm up before getting on the M6 in the morning and on the way home.
So basically around 70% of travel was spent I assume in top gear trundling along the motorway.
This bears out in the comprehensive service history that came with the car. In 110K miles the total sum on suspension expense was one offside front ball joint.
When I bought her I replaced all the dampers though none were leaking and the original clutch was replaced last
year at a gobsmacking 160K miles.
So mileage (dependant on use if you can find it out) is of no concern imo if there’s a damn decent history with the car and you find out how that mileage stacked up.
To the OP - I’d just get a PPI done by a reputable specialist and use any findings to negotiate the price as required.
It’s so much car for 35k. It will cost money to own - that’s the nature of the beast. But you’re driving a 991 - and you’re going to love every journey.
Edited by Royal Jelly on Wednesday 14th September 09:53
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