RE: Honda Prelude | Spotted
RE: Honda Prelude | Spotted
Wednesday 14th September 2022

Honda Prelude | Spotted

Clean looks, VTEC power and rear-wheel steering makes this Prelude interesting in so many ways...


I’ve been driving a few cars with rear-wheel steering recently – most recently, many Range Rovers from the big ‘un to the latest Sport last week. That, plus seeing a Mk5 Honda Prelude last weekend while I was in Nottingham, reminded me just what a handsome and interesting car it is. It made this one jump right out of the screen when I was perusing the classifieds this morning. And my first thought was "Is that a salvage car?" A car being sold on after an unfortunate heavy hit with a kerb that had broken the rear control arm. I just couldn’t compute that the Prelude’s rear-wheel steering turned the back wheels that much. I mean, look at it. That’s an amazing angle.

The Prelude’s innovative RWS appeared first on the Mk3 that ran from 1987-91. It wasn’t a huge hit in Europe but the home market loved it. According to reports, Honda expected take-up of 30 per cent in Japan but, in the end, 80 per cent of Japanese buyers opted for RWS in the car’s first year of production. Apparently it helped the Prelude blitz the competition in Road & Track’s slalom test, completing the course at an average speed of 65.5mph – and seeing off the challenge from Porsche and Ferrari as well.

Unlike today’s systems, which are electric, Honda’s first RWS system was all mechanical. There was shaft running from the steering rack at the front to a box on the back axle that operated the rear track control arms and turned the wheels. The steering angle and direction was controlled by a planetary gearbox. It still worked along the same principles as today’s systems, though. When small steering inputs were applied, it boosted high-speed stability by moving the rear wheels in the same direction as the fronts by up to 1.5 degrees. When more steering lock was added (if the steering wheel was turned past 246 degrees) the system would steer the rear wheels at up to 5.3 degrees in the opposite direction to the fronts, cutting the turning circle by about 10 per cent.

There were other manufacturers doing similar things, of course. Honda beat Mazda by a matter of weeks when the latter launched RWS on its 626 and MX-6. Mitsubishi, Nissan and Toyota all came up with their equivalents at around the same time as well. It was almost as if the Japanese manufacturers were spying on each other, but they wouldn’t have been doing that, would they? Surely it was all just a happy coincidence rather than espionage?

That said, Mitsubishi’s and Nissan’s RWS was more advanced. Those versions had no mechanical link between the front and rear steering systems and, instead, used computer controlled hydraulic actuators to move the rear wheels. And by 1991, when the Mk4 Prelude arrived, Honda had emulated that set-up and gone further. Its new system used a computer to direct the rear wheels using an electric motor, which, in effect, is the same system we see on modern cars.

Every version of the Prelude has a certain stylistic appeal as far as I am concerned: the original, for its classic 70s look; the oh-so-80s theme of the Mk2 and Mk3; and the cohesive curves of the 90s Mk4. But there is something about the Mk5 that wins out. I think it's because this is one of those rare pieces of design that’s left pure and simple. It was the work of Manabu Konaka, who had joined Honda’s design department in 1990 and, by 1996, he was lead designer for the Mk5 Prelude. There’s a hint of NSX-R in the Mk5’s headlight design, but otherwise it's thoroughly original and fuss free. Is there anything you can point to, from its nose to its tail, that looks unnecessary, over designed or out of place?

Along with its sublime looks and the fascination of the extreme angles produced by its rear-wheel steering, there’s also a VTEC motor lurking under the bonnet. Here it’s the H22A5, which isn’t quite as pokey as the 212hp H22A7 red-top in the Accord Type R, but it's not far off that high watermark. It can still muster up a healthy 185hp, and on the way to producing that power it’ll rev to a glorious 7,000-plus RPM. Yes, I know it’s attached to a four-speed auto, but with classic cars – especially rare ones; it seems just 173 2.2 VTIs are taxed in the UK right now – you can’t always have everything you desire. And the gearbox is not enough to quell my desire for this car. What say you?


Specification | Honda Prelude 2.2 VTI

Engine: 2,157cc, four-cylinder, naturally aspirated
Transmission: four-speed automatic, front-wheel drive
Power (hp): 185 @ 7,000rpm
Torque (lb ft): 152lb ft @ 5,300rpm
CO2: 248g/km
MPG: 27.2
Recorded mileage: 70,000
Year registered: 1998
Price new: N/A
Yours for: £7,995

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Jon_S_Rally

Original Poster:

4,508 posts

119 months

Wednesday 14th September 2022
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Always liked these. Think I *just* prefer the previous shape, but both are pretty decent looking cars, and a reminder of the now dead affordable coupe market. A shame.

Would need a manual 'box for me though.

Dombilano

1,466 posts

86 months

Wednesday 14th September 2022
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Nice, but a 4 speed auto would ruin it for me. I'd rather spend a bit more on this


thewarlock

3,285 posts

76 months

Wednesday 14th September 2022
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I had a Mk3 with the mechanical 4WS system. Fantastic car, should never have sold it. Pop up headlights rule.

vikingaero

13,483 posts

200 months

Wednesday 14th September 2022
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I much prefer the previous shape too - the 4th gen beaky eagle front looking one.

Honda are a strange company. One minute they produce a car that is a hit styling wise and the next they pull back and produce something bland. The 1991 Civic was lovely and svelte and it took 20 years for them to emerge from the doldrums with the stormtrooper helmet 9th gen. They should learn to evolve the styling of their cars more. Same with the Jazz. The previous 3 gens are quite nice for shopping trolleys, yet the current 4th gen defines bland on wheels.

Warren Obhead

51 posts

52 months

Wednesday 14th September 2022
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Another 4th gen lover here, although the general shape of the mk5 is really nice.

Type S really is the version to have. 217bhp or something like that.

I found out recently that my 2002 hrv has a kind of rear steering, where it toes in automatically around corners. I got to say, in general, hondas always feel like a fun drive.

pardonmyenglish

107 posts

142 months

Wednesday 14th September 2022
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From what I understand, the previous shape did not sell well worldwide in comparison with the 3g. As the 91 civic, it was designed to appeal to the european market. The 5g is some sort of modernized 3g when you look at it. I also much prefer the previous gen. The early 90s were the heyday of honda design, even the small honda city looked quite good.

Panamax

9,971 posts

65 months

Wednesday 14th September 2022
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Another of Honda's cars where interesting mechanical parts are let down by inappropriate styling, either too bland or too aggressive. Shouldn't be hard to guess which category applies here.

MightyBadger

4,726 posts

81 months

Wednesday 14th September 2022
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Panamax said:
Another of Honda's cars where interesting mechanical parts are let down by inappropriate styling, either too bland or too aggressive. Shouldn't be hard to guess which category applies here.
Previous model beats it hands down for looks imho.

Hatchoo

218 posts

234 months

Wednesday 14th September 2022
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One of LJK Setright's favourite cars.

Deranged Rover

4,693 posts

105 months

Wednesday 14th September 2022
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Test drove one of these years ago and it was a manual. When the VTEC system did its stuff it was an absolute hoot and hilarious fun.

Trouble is, when the VTEC system wasn't doing its stuff, frankly, it felt sluggish. I decided I didn't want to drive everywhere bouncing off the rev limiter and so bought a Mazda MX-6 instead. Never regretted this decision.

Stunters

619 posts

225 months

Wednesday 14th September 2022
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I know that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but I still remember fairly vividly the first time I saw a Mk 4 Prelude, which was in Bristol in the early 90s. The car was a lovely shade of metallic blue, and it looked both cohesive and from the future at the same time.

I had no idea what car it actually was until I went over to have a close look at it.

I remember being very underwhelmed by the looks of the Mk 5 Prelude when it came out. I just looked dull and bland by comparison to the Mk 4.

I agree with others who have said how good, and well-engineered, Honda's cars generally were back then. I test drove a Civic VTi in 1996 which was the first Honda I'd ever driven and I thought it was really nice and properly sorted. It had over 150 horsepower I think, which was quite a lot back then for a hatchback. I ended up buying a new Megane Coupe 16v instead but I thought the Civic was nicer than the other hot hatches that I tested around the same time.

And the Mazda MX-6 was a really nice-looking car too. Good decision!

nebpor

3,753 posts

266 months

Wednesday 14th September 2022
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Stunters said:
I agree with others who have said how good, and well-engineered, Honda's cars generally were back then. I test drove a Civic VTi in 1996 which was the first Honda I'd ever driven and I thought it was really nice and properly sorted. It had over 150 horsepower I think, which was quite a lot back then for a hatchback.
It was actually 160BHP - first mass made cars with 100BHP/litre!

romac

608 posts

177 months

Wednesday 14th September 2022
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Boss of mine had several, and I had many rides in them, including some drives. Two things stand out: (1) you could crab into / out of a tight parallel parking spot by forward/reverse using the "rear wheels turn the same way" range on the steering lock, and (2) the totally weird feeling sitting in the back when he drove round roundabouts quickly - felt like crazy oversteer. Even driving it you sometimes felt the urge to give it a "dab of oppo" and ended up with a saw-tooth line round sharp bends, until accustomed.

"Interesting" car! And yes, along with Bristols, a great favourite of LJKS.

Agree that the earlier pop-up lights versions were more stylish.

Rostyle

61 posts

106 months

Wednesday 14th September 2022
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Loved all Preludes up until this one , it just wasn't very good looking , so why buy a coupe otherwise . I always wondered if this was an Accord coupe in other markets so badly styled it was , until I realised other markets did get an Accord coupe and it was better looking !

MightyBadger

4,726 posts

81 months

Wednesday 14th September 2022
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Massive amount of regret after selling this one..

Type R Tom

4,334 posts

180 months

Wednesday 14th September 2022
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I had a manual VTI in Blue, loved it. Did plenty of mile, and was fairly practical. Used a bit of oil but otherwise reliable

JayEmm recently did a video on one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EJZeyVuBlM


Augustus Windsock

3,807 posts

186 months

Wednesday 14th September 2022
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romac said:
Boss of mine had several, and I had many rides in them, including some drives. Two things stand out: (1) you could crab into / out of a tight parallel parking spot by forward/reverse using the "rear wheels turn the same way" range on the steering lock, and (2) the totally weird feeling sitting in the back when he drove round roundabouts quickly - felt like crazy oversteer. Even driving it you sometimes felt the urge to give it a "dab of oppo" and ended up with a saw-tooth line round sharp bends, until accustomed.

"Interesting" car! And yes, along with Bristols, a great favourite of LJKS.

Agree that the earlier pop-up lights versions were more stylish.
Er, I hate to ask but didn’t the front and rear wheels turn in the opposite direction at low speed, so therefore it wouldn’t ‘crab’ as you suggested?
And the weird sensation you mention whilst sitting in the back going around a roundabout makes me think there was something wrong with that particular example?

Indeed the late great LJKS loved these as well as Bristols (the car…) and was moved to write:
“ The very first thing one might notice about the Prelude is its wanton simplicity. There are no bump strips on the body side. The lamps are oblongs. There is no feature-line at the c-pillar to rear wing. The grille is a slat. And then you look again.

First, the bonnet line is very nearly, but not quite so flat as to suggest – suggest – it is inclined in a way opposite to one’s expectations. The window line’s lower edge is slightly curved and not dead straight like the two nearly-parallel lines on the body side. Those lamps aren’t square but very, very slightly oblong and make the front look narrower than it might be, offsetting the horizontal slat.

The boot is slightly higher than it might be so that there is not one line from front lamp to the rear. There is a small amount of noise in all the order and plain-ness. I can’t help feeling all of this was deliberate. Your eye never settles but roams over the shape, resting here and there and moving on.”

Nuff said…

James Junior

856 posts

188 months

Wednesday 14th September 2022
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Loved the MK4 - shame it has such a short run in the UK (90 - 94 if I recall?). Always fancied the 2.2 Vtec but very rarely see them for sale (not that I'd actually buy one now). A quick and handsome car. The graphics on the dashboard looked like those old Tomy hand held/ binocular computer games from the 80s.

I always thought the MK5 was ugly and bloated by compairson. It somehow looks too long and the front bonnet and angle of the headlights looks all wrong, a bit like an Alfa 166. They do look a bit better in Motegi spec however with the body kit and bigger wheels.

I can't say that a boggo spec burgundy automatic Preulude MK5 has any appeal to me.

MightyBadger

4,726 posts

81 months

Wednesday 14th September 2022
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Deranged Rover said:
Test drove one of these years ago and it was a manual. When the VTEC system did its stuff it was an absolute hoot and hilarious fun.

Trouble is, when the VTEC system wasn't doing its stuff, frankly, it felt sluggish. I decided I didn't want to drive everywhere bouncing off the rev limiter and so bought a Mazda MX-6 instead. Never regretted this decision.
Have had an mx6 gt and a gen4 2.2, as lovely as the 6 was and sounded it just didn’t give me same level of excitement and drama that the h22 at full clatter did. Never found myself bouncing off the limiter but had much fun keeping it in the sweet spot.

romac

608 posts

177 months

Wednesday 14th September 2022
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Augustus Windsock said:
romac said:
Boss of mine had several, and I had many rides in them, including some drives. Two things stand out: (1) you could crab into / out of a tight parallel parking spot by forward/reverse using the "rear wheels turn the same way" range on the steering lock, and (2) the totally weird feeling sitting in the back when he drove round roundabouts quickly - felt like crazy oversteer. Even driving it you sometimes felt the urge to give it a "dab of oppo" and ended up with a saw-tooth line round sharp bends, until accustomed.

"Interesting" car! And yes, along with Bristols, a great favourite of LJKS.

Agree that the earlier pop-up lights versions were more stylish.
Er, I hate to ask but didn’t the front and rear wheels turn in the opposite direction at low speed, so therefore it wouldn’t ‘crab’ as you suggested?
And the weird sensation you mention whilst sitting in the back going around a roundabout makes me think there was something wrong with that particular example?

Indeed the late great LJKS loved these as well as Bristols (the car…) and was moved to write:
“ The very first thing one might notice about the Prelude is its wanton simplicity. There are no bump strips on the body side. The lamps are oblongs. There is no feature-line at the c-pillar to rear wing. The grille is a slat. And then you look again.

First, the bonnet line is very nearly, but not quite so flat as to suggest – suggest – it is inclined in a way opposite to one’s expectations. The window line’s lower edge is slightly curved and not dead straight like the two nearly-parallel lines on the body side. Those lamps aren’t square but very, very slightly oblong and make the front look narrower than it might be, offsetting the horizontal slat.

The boot is slightly higher than it might be so that there is not one line from front lamp to the rear. There is a small amount of noise in all the order and plain-ness. I can’t help feeling all of this was deliberate. Your eye never settles but roams over the shape, resting here and there and moving on.”

Nuff said…
I think you'll find that the amount and direction of the rear-wheel steer was dictated by steering angle, not speed. At small steering angles, the wheels moved the same way, though the rear wheels obviously turned much less than the front. This was to make it more stable when switching lanes at high speed IIRC. So crabbing in/out involved using small steering angles. As the steering angles increased, the rear wheels gradually straightened again then turned in the opposite direction. The weird "oversteer" feeling sitting in the back was very pronounced on smaller roundabouts, where the steering angle was high. And there was nothing wrong with any of the examples I was riding in. The first time was just after he'd picked up the car brand new and he took three of us out for a spin. I think he had three or four altogether, keeping them for 3 years / 90k each. But yeah, great cars.