Single higher tax rate of 40%
Single higher tax rate of 40%
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coetzeeh

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2,889 posts

265 months

Friday 23rd September 2022
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So the bump between £100k and £125k is to be abolished.?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-629947...

Dave350

359 posts

147 months

Friday 23rd September 2022
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That bump exists due to losing personal allowance, that still remains in play I beleive.

bmwmike

8,679 posts

137 months

Friday 23rd September 2022
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coetzeeh said:
So the bump between £100k and £125k is to be abolished.?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-629947...
Unchanged as far as I can see. Where do you think you are seeing any reference to it changing? There is a stamp duty change at 125k but thats obviously nothing to do with PAYE.

Mr_Megalomaniac

1,272 posts

95 months

Friday 23rd September 2022
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But the 45% bracket is being abolished!! SWEEEEET!

Condi

20,292 posts

200 months

Friday 23rd September 2022
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This must be levelling up in action. Reduce taxes for the rich, make those on benefits do more hours!

The Ferret

1,289 posts

189 months

Friday 23rd September 2022
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Surely removing the effective 60% band (which everyone avoids by sacrificing into pension) and keeping/moving the 45% band to apply from £100k plus would have seen a higher tax take overall. Would have won them a lot more brownie points/votes too.

If so, another bk dropped by Govt

Mr_Megalomaniac

1,272 posts

95 months

Friday 23rd September 2022
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anonymous said:
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Why?

Muzzer79

13,032 posts

216 months

Friday 23rd September 2022
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Mr_Megalomaniac said:
anonymous said:
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Why?
Because she's flinging money around like Floyd Mayweather in a tacky jewellery store.

Today's mini-budget, plus the energy price cap could cost up to £300billion plus we still have the cost of Covid to pay for.

The money has to come from somewhere and at no point has she said where this is coming from, other than 'further borrowing'

As it is, she's sticking the entire pot on red, hoping that tax cuts and price caps will keep us putting money into the economy.

coetzeeh

Original Poster:

2,889 posts

265 months

Friday 23rd September 2022
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bmwmike said:
coetzeeh said:
So the bump between £100k and £125k is to be abolished.?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-629947...
Unchanged as far as I can see. Where do you think you are seeing any reference to it changing? There is a stamp duty change at 125k but thats obviously nothing to do with PAYE.
You are right - I got carried away by the statement that there will be one 40% higher tax rate. Burst my bubble.

Vasco

18,009 posts

134 months

Friday 23rd September 2022
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Muzzer79 said:
Because she's flinging money around like Floyd Mayweather in a tacky jewellery store.

Today's mini-budget, plus the energy price cap could cost up to £300billion plus we still have the cost of Covid to pay for.

The money has to come from somewhere and at no point has she said where this is coming from, other than 'further borrowing'

As it is, she's sticking the entire pot on red, hoping that tax cuts and price caps will keep us putting money into the economy.
That sounds worryingly accurate. I've a horrible feeling I know which way this is heading.

bmwmike

8,679 posts

137 months

Friday 23rd September 2022
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Vasco said:
That sounds worryingly accurate. I've a horrible feeling I know which way this is heading.
UK default and begging to get back into the EU?

greygoose

9,661 posts

224 months

Friday 23rd September 2022
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Muzzer79 said:
Because she's flinging money around like Floyd Mayweather in a tacky jewellery store.

Today's mini-budget, plus the energy price cap could cost up to £300billion plus we still have the cost of Covid to pay for.

The money has to come from somewhere and at no point has she said where this is coming from, other than 'further borrowing'

As it is, she's sticking the entire pot on red, hoping that tax cuts and price caps will keep us putting money into the economy.
It does seem madness given the debt problems, it doesn’t even play well to most of the electorate, we help the rich and bankrupt the country isn’t a great slogan.

Muzzer79

13,032 posts

216 months

Friday 23rd September 2022
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Vasco said:
Muzzer79 said:
Because she's flinging money around like Floyd Mayweather in a tacky jewellery store.

Today's mini-budget, plus the energy price cap could cost up to £300billion plus we still have the cost of Covid to pay for.

The money has to come from somewhere and at no point has she said where this is coming from, other than 'further borrowing'

As it is, she's sticking the entire pot on red, hoping that tax cuts and price caps will keep us putting money into the economy.
That sounds worryingly accurate. I've a horrible feeling I know which way this is heading.
This is a mini-budget for a new prime minister hoping to gain popularity, rather than reforms to actually help the UK.

It sounds ridiculous, but this is why getting rid of Boris was a bad idea (only in terms of timing) It was always likely that someone coming in would need to garner support from the public.

Rishi was the only one who seemed to have the right idea of battening down the hatches, helping those who really needed it but letting some pain onto the rest of us. But that would have seen them lose the next election, so he was voted down. Inevitable, but disappointing.

ettore

5,079 posts

281 months

Friday 23rd September 2022
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Muzzer79 said:
Mr_Megalomaniac said:
anonymous said:
[redacted]
Why?
Because she's flinging money around like Floyd Mayweather in a tacky jewellery store.

Today's mini-budget, plus the energy price cap could cost up to £300billion plus we still have the cost of Covid to pay for.

The money has to come from somewhere and at no point has she said where this is coming from, other than 'further borrowing'

As it is, she's sticking the entire pot on red, hoping that tax cuts and price caps will keep us putting money into the economy.
Well, I'm delighted. Possibly the only time I can remember in adult life that I have actually benefitted from a tax change. This is quite a philosophical shift from the previous regime but I'm all for stimulating growth at long last.

BorkBorkBork

731 posts

80 months

Friday 23rd September 2022
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Tax cuts as a way of increasing tax revenues is a well worn neoliberal trope. It doesn’t hold any water whatsoever, and never has.

As someone has already said, it’s all about votes. You only have to look at the front page of the Mail and Express today to see who this is aimed at.

Evanivitch

26,311 posts

151 months

Friday 23rd September 2022
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Condi said:
This must be levelling up in action. Reduce taxes for the rich, make those on benefits do more hours!
But now there's more money to pay minimum wage services (cleaners, gardeners etc) better wages! Right!?

Muzzer79

13,032 posts

216 months

Friday 23rd September 2022
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ettore said:
Muzzer79 said:
Mr_Megalomaniac said:
anonymous said:
[redacted]
Why?
Because she's flinging money around like Floyd Mayweather in a tacky jewellery store.

Today's mini-budget, plus the energy price cap could cost up to £300billion plus we still have the cost of Covid to pay for.

The money has to come from somewhere and at no point has she said where this is coming from, other than 'further borrowing'

As it is, she's sticking the entire pot on red, hoping that tax cuts and price caps will keep us putting money into the economy.
Well, I'm delighted. Possibly the only time I can remember in adult life that I have actually benefitted from a tax change. This is quite a philosophical shift from the previous regime but I'm all for stimulating growth at long last.
From a selfish perspective, I'm delighted too. I'm (genuinely) a higher rate tax payer, I like beer and I'm about to move house biggrin

But from a country perspective, I think it's utter madness.

Vasco

18,009 posts

134 months

Friday 23rd September 2022
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bmwmike said:
Vasco said:
That sounds worryingly accurate. I've a horrible feeling I know which way this is heading.
UK default and begging to get back into the EU?
No, nothing could be as bad as that.

Oilchange

9,693 posts

289 months

Friday 23rd September 2022
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This is the 45% tax Brown introduced just as the boot connected with his arse in 2010?

More as a parting gesture of two fingers to the incoming Tories (ok coalition). Cameron should have binned it immediately, imo.

If it encourages top surgeons to do a few days extra in theatre to fund their golfing holidays then I'm all for it.

I earn nowhere near it by the way.

OutInTheShed

14,390 posts

55 months

Friday 23rd September 2022
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Muzzer79 said:
This is a mini-budget for a new prime minister hoping to gain popularity, rather than reforms to actually help the UK.

It sounds ridiculous, but this is why getting rid of Boris was a bad idea (only in terms of timing) It was always likely that someone coming in would need to garner support from the public.

Rishi was the only one who seemed to have the right idea of battening down the hatches, helping those who really needed it but letting some pain onto the rest of us. But that would have seen them lose the next election, so he was voted down. Inevitable, but disappointing.
Getting rid of Boris was a bad idea, because the rest of them are even more clueless than he is.

I really do not see much cause for optimism in the country's finances now.
The pound will sink, interest rates will rise.
A lot of people are in for a very hard time.


Quite possibly keeping Boris would have made no difference, the problem is, decisions have been deferred for months while the party turned on Boris and Rishi.

For 6 years, we've stumbled from one excuse not to look at the fundamentals of the country to the next. Referendum, Brexit, Covid, Ukraine.
TBH, they've been stumbling about since 2010.

Now the economy seems to be the big story.
We're in the st, but we've used up everything we can boost the economy with, just to keep the plates spinning since Blair ran out of steam.