Any jazz drummers in the house?
Any jazz drummers in the house?
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Louis Balfour

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238 months

Tuesday 27th September 2022
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How are the drums played on this track? Perfect rhythm (and fast) for ten minutes.

Charlie Parker: Sweet Georgia Brown.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXTGCTr69jQ

Might be one for Get Carter.

Simes205

4,832 posts

244 months

Tuesday 27th September 2022
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Practice and stamina.
It’s a fairly fast tempo!
He’s beating the crotchets on the ride and not as far as I can hear playing quavers, hence able to play at that speed.

Edited by Simes205 on Tuesday 27th September 21:30

Louis Balfour

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28,176 posts

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Wednesday 28th September 2022
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Simes205 said:
Practice and stamina.
It’s a fairly fast tempo!
He’s beating the crotchets on the ride and not as far as I can hear playing quavers, hence able to play at that speed.

Edited by Simes205 on Tuesday 27th September 21:30
It is fast and as far as I can tell perfect. I was almost wondering whether it was some sort of mechanical drum machine.


Lotobear

8,024 posts

144 months

Wednesday 28th September 2022
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.....it's all good, but not quite my tempo

GetCarter

30,204 posts

295 months

Friday 30th September 2022
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Louis Balfour said:
Simes205 said:
Practice and stamina.
It’s a fairly fast tempo!
He’s beating the crotchets on the ride and not as far as I can hear playing quavers, hence able to play at that speed.

Edited by Simes205 on Tuesday 27th September 21:30
It is fast and as far as I can tell perfect. I was almost wondering whether it was some sort of mechanical drum machine.
A mechanical drum machine in 1945. scratchchin

I've worked with many of the best jazz drummers in the UK and the one thing they all have in common is that they look (and are) mega relaxed. This is why thy can play 4 hour sets at Ronnies!

Check out Neal >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Y9JHUyap5g

(Also note, he's reading, and doesn't know the piece, and is being recorded, etc etc).

ETA This may be an even better example... check out how little energy he uses (5/4 groove... reading again - just a live GoPro mic in the booth to record)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAlteDokLj8


Edited by GetCarter on Friday 30th September 19:03

Louis Balfour

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Friday 30th September 2022
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GetCarter said:
Louis Balfour said:
Simes205 said:
Practice and stamina.
It’s a fairly fast tempo!
He’s beating the crotchets on the ride and not as far as I can hear playing quavers, hence able to play at that speed.

Edited by Simes205 on Tuesday 27th September 21:30
It is fast and as far as I can tell perfect. I was almost wondering whether it was some sort of mechanical drum machine.
A mechanical drum machine in 1945. scratchchin

I've worked with many of the best jazz drummers in the UK and the one thing they all have in common is that they look (and are) mega relaxed. This is why thy can play 4 hour sets at Ronnies!

Check out Neal >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Y9JHUyap5g

(Also note, he's reading, and doesn't know the piece, and is being recorded, etc etc).

ETA This may be an even better example... check out how little energy he uses (5/4 groove... reading again - just a live GoPro mic in the booth to record)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAlteDokLj8


Edited by GetCarter on Friday 30th September 19:03
I imagine they had mechanical drum machines in 1945, didn't they?

You've posted clips of your drummers before and they are very impressive. What impresses me about the drummer on the Bird clip I posted is the perfect bass drumming for 10 minutes.




thebraketester

15,064 posts

154 months

Tuesday 4th October 2022
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He was called Lee Young according do a little bit of digging, brother of saxophonist Lester Young. 2 years prior to this he had played at the same venue with guitarist Les Paul….. who you might have heard of.

Edited by thebraketester on Tuesday 4th October 20:01


Edited by thebraketester on Tuesday 4th October 20:02

toasty

8,016 posts

236 months

Tuesday 4th October 2022
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Lotobear said:
.....it's all good, but not quite my tempo
Rushing or dragging?

Louis Balfour

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238 months

Tuesday 4th October 2022
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thebraketester said:
He was called Lee Young according do a little bit of digging, brother of saxophonist Lester Young. 2 years prior to this he had played at the same venue with guitarist Les Paul….. who you might have heard of.

Edited by thebraketester on Tuesday 4th October 20:01


Edited by thebraketester on Tuesday 4th October 20:02
Well dug!

I've not yet found a video of him drumming, though.

thebraketester

15,064 posts

154 months

Tuesday 4th October 2022
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That's not that surprising. There are not many videos of Charlie Parker either. It's about 5-10 years too soon to be well documented by video.

timbob

2,182 posts

268 months

Thursday 6th October 2022
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Definitely not a drum machine…!!

Just a good drummer, years and years of practice and experience, with good technique and stamina.

As has been already pointed out, good drummers are relaxed at speed. Playing at a tempo like that isn’t necessarily exhausting. They play with the bounce of the stick on the cymbal using a loser grip and controlling the stick with the fourth and fifth fingers - to simplify, say for your typical “ting tin-ta ting” swing rhythm, rather than using the whole arm/hand for each cymbal strike, the first (on the beat) strike will be a down strike with the hand and then the intermediate “tin-ta” will be a controlled bounce on the cymbal.

There’s a great shot 33-35 seconds into this video of the drummer’s ride cymbal - insane tempo (approaching 280-300bpm I reckon at first guess) and just the most relaxed looking technique you ever did see…:

https://youtu.be/63FqlA3LE9I

(Edit: another nice shot at 2:42 a little later in the video, shows the technique of bouncing the stick off the 4th/5th fingers, albeit from a distance).

Edited by timbob on Thursday 6th October 09:08

Louis Balfour

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Thursday 6th October 2022
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I am sure you’re right. However it is the bass that impresses me. Or is there a technique that does not require a pedal press per beat?

timbob

2,182 posts

268 months

Thursday 6th October 2022
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Louis Balfour said:
I am sure you’re right. However it is the bass that impresses me. Or is there a technique that does not require a pedal press per beat?
A light touch, good technique, good internal metronome and years and years of practice. There’ll be just the toe or ball of the foot on the bass drum pedal, heel will be in the air. The motion of the legs will be simply part of the drummer’s whole body relaxed groove as they play. Some jazz drummers I play with play in their socks. There’s no “heel on the floor, tightness in the shin” syndrome that plagues amateur drummers after ten seconds of repetitive bass drum strikes…!

MartinM

495 posts

223 months

Thursday 6th October 2022
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He's using the rebound of the stick from the ride (sometimes in period referred to as the bounce) cymbal and utilising the 'back 3' fingers.