Swollen nuts......

[leerandle]

So, after taking my car to AM for an MOT it was noticed that I had a 'nail' in my tyre.

Luckily, it was only a very short screw (3-4mm long) and was just pressed into the thick part of the tyre tread. Removed carefully and tyre pressure remains good.

Anyway, in taking the wheel off, my socket kept getting stuck around the wheel nut as I assume they have started to corrode internally and swell the nut.

I have seen lots of discussions about the wheel nut being the same as a ford transit etc, but is it really and has anyone actually ordered some ford transit (i.e. without Aston tax) wheel nuts and fitted them without problem. I believe they are M14x2 with a 22mm hex (Part No: 4G43-1K024-AD).

I was going to just replace all x20 so just looking at options really, will contact AM and see what their prices are, plus the other usual suspects.

[AdamV12V]

I believe its a 21mm nut, so if you used a 22mm spanner that may explain why you struggled and/or damanged them.

https://astonmartinparts.net/Aston-Martin-Parts/V1...

Anyway, when I was looking for a full set of black AMR nuts they were on a huge back order, so i began to do some research into them, and independently of anything said on any forum I concluded they were the same size and taper as Ford Transit nuts.

However - and this was a biggie, I could not find any transit nuts with the free spinning shims on the tapered edge which is what limits damage to your wheels. Of course on a transit nobody cares if the wheel is damaged, so in the end I gave up and waited for the nuts to come into stock which eventually they did.

They are a rather pricey £18.60 each at your MD. Ironically I have a full set of silver nuts in excellent condition going spare since I replaced all mine with AMR black nuts. That said you appear to be the opposite end of the country so would be a matter of posting via Royal Mail no doubt at a cost that would make them unattractive to sell.

[Simpo Two]

I have titanium nuts!

The weight saving of 873g makes my car goes faster. Well theoretically.

Read all about it at https://aston1936.com/2019/03/12/aston-martin-db9-...

[shuzzy]

Had a similar thing with my DB9 a few years ago, and as Adam says concluded there was no suitable alternative.

[leerandle]

AdamV12V said:

I believe its a 21mm nut, so if you used a 22mm spanner that may explain why you struggled and/or damanged them.

https://astonmartinparts.net/Aston-Martin-Parts/V1...

Anyway, when I was looking for a full set of black AMR nuts they were on a huge back order, so i began to do some research into them, and independently of anything said on any forum I concluded they were the same size and taper as Ford Transit nuts.

However - and this was a biggie, I could not find any transit nuts with the free spinning shims on the tapered edge which is what limits damage to your wheels. Of course on a transit nobody cares if the wheel is damaged, so in the end I gave up and waited for the nuts to come into stock which eventually they did.

They are a rather pricey £18.60 each at your MD. Ironically I have a full set of silver nuts in excellent condition going spare since I replaced all mine with AMR black nuts. That said you appear to be the opposite end of the country so would be a matter of posting via Royal Mail no doubt at a cost that would make them unattractive to sell.

I think I have come to the same conclusion as your good self !! Where are you based ? I have family in the north east, would be happy to sort a deal if you're not too far off my travel. Send a PM if interested.

[AdamV12V]

PM sent....

[IainWhy]

I used open ended nuts for a transit.

There is no reason to have a spinning collar, they potentially give a better torque reading but i dont see that they will damage the wheel.

Look at it this way, bmw dont, mercedes dont etc etc etc, Wheel bolts should be seated metal to metal not metal to paint.

I used these, no issue and the can check visually the number of engaged threads

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/324075924787?hash=item4...

any m14x2 nut will be fine provided there is a suitable cone.

There is no reason to pay the £20 or similar per nut that aston want

[LordBretSinclair]

IainWhy said:

I used open ended nuts for a transit.
There is no reason to pay the £20 or similar per nut that aston want

Until you have a nut or wheel failure and your insurance refuses to pay out for your written off Aston.

[IainWhy]

LordBretSinclair said:

IainWhy said:

I used open ended nuts for a transit.
There is no reason to pay the £20 or similar per nut that aston want

Until you have a nut or wheel failure and your insurance refuses to pay out for your written off Aston.

bks

Firstly, the studs on the car are from a transit twin axle, so if anything your using the correct nut, secondly they wont come off if you torque them, finally the oem aston titanium nuts will be an order of magnitude softer that steel ones.

[LordBretSinclair]

IainWhy said:

bks

Firstly, the studs on the car are from a transit twin axle, so if anything your using the correct nut, secondly they wont come off if you torque them, finally the oem aston titanium nuts will be an order of magnitude softer that steel ones.

Thank you your well thought out and erudite opening response.
So steel nuts instead of OEM titanium nuts - exactly what torque settings are you going to use ????

[e600]

Don’t know if it helps but I changed my gen 1 Vanquish wheel nuts for Jaguar versions, they were identical other than being about 70% cheaper.

[IainWhy]

LordBretSinclair said:

IainWhy said:

bks

Firstly, the studs on the car are from a transit twin axle, so if anything your using the correct nut, secondly they wont come off if you torque them, finally the oem aston titanium nuts will be an order of magnitude softer that steel ones.

Thank you your well thought out and erudite opening response.
So steel nuts instead of OEM titanium nuts - exactly what torque settings are you going to use ????

OeM are steel, only sport pack ones are titanium.

Steel are torqued to 180nm, no clue on TI as they are pointless

[AdamV12V]

IainWhy said:

LordBretSinclair said:

IainWhy said:

I used open ended nuts for a transit.
There is no reason to pay the £20 or similar per nut that aston want

Until you have a nut or wheel failure and your insurance refuses to pay out for your written off Aston.

bks

Firstly, the studs on the car are from a transit twin axle, so if anything your using the correct nut, secondly they wont come off if you torque them, finally the oem aston titanium nuts will be an order of magnitude softer that steel ones.

There's no polite way to put it - open ended nuts off a Transit will look utter ste. I have no idea why people buy a £100k+ (ultra ) luxury car, even if they paid less because it was an older one, and then proceed to bodge it with repairs made from empty loo rolls, egg boxes and sticky backed plastic, saving themselves three 'n sixpence on the way, other than for nostalgic reasons looking back fondly on their Blue Peter youth.

We are not talking about a lot of money here to do the job right with new OEM parts anyway, bodgery presents many of these special cars with a pretty dim future.

[IainWhy]

AdamV12V said:

IainWhy said:

LordBretSinclair said:

IainWhy said:

I used open ended nuts for a transit.
There is no reason to pay the £20 or similar per nut that aston want

Until you have a nut or wheel failure and your insurance refuses to pay out for your written off Aston.

bks

Firstly, the studs on the car are from a transit twin axle, so if anything your using the correct nut, secondly they wont come off if you torque them, finally the oem aston titanium nuts will be an order of magnitude softer that steel ones.

There's no polite way to put it - open ended nuts off a Transit will look utter ste. I have no idea why people buy a £100k+ (ultra ) luxury car, even if they paid less because it was an older one, and then proceed to bodge it with repairs made from empty loo rolls, egg boxes and sticky backed plastic, saving themselves three 'n sixpence on the way, other than for nostalgic reasons looking back fondly on their Blue Peter youth.

We are not talking about a lot of money here to do the job right with new OEM parts anyway, bodgery presents many of these special cars with a pretty dim future.

Yea, your talking out of your backside.

The reason for the change in my case is that i am running an alternate wheel and to get the correct thread engagement an aftermarket nut is better, the Aston ones are very sub optimal as the collar massively reduces the number of threads engaged on the stud.

Its covered here if your interested https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

the OEM ones are actually a transit nut, but with a different collar which is why they have exactly the same issues as transit nuts with swelling under the decorative cover. Its also why they are heavy, bulky and problematic.

As to looking crap, are you suggesting that one black wheel nut looks vastly different to another?

Snobbery over wheel nuts, priceless

[AdamV12V]

IainWhy said:

AdamV12V said:

IainWhy said:

LordBretSinclair said:

IainWhy said:

I used open ended nuts for a transit.
There is no reason to pay the £20 or similar per nut that aston want

Until you have a nut or wheel failure and your insurance refuses to pay out for your written off Aston.

bks

Firstly, the studs on the car are from a transit twin axle, so if anything your using the correct nut, secondly they wont come off if you torque them, finally the oem aston titanium nuts will be an order of magnitude softer that steel ones.

There's no polite way to put it - open ended nuts off a Transit will look utter ste. I have no idea why people buy a £100k+ (ultra ) luxury car, even if they paid less because it was an older one, and then proceed to bodge it with repairs made from empty loo rolls, egg boxes and sticky backed plastic, saving themselves three 'n sixpence on the way, other than for nostalgic reasons looking back fondly on their Blue Peter youth.

We are not talking about a lot of money here to do the job right with new OEM parts anyway, bodgery presents many of these special cars with a pretty dim future.

Yea, your talking out of your backside.

The reason for the change in my case is that i am running an alternate wheel and to get the correct thread engagement an aftermarket nut is better, the Aston ones are very sub optimal as the collar massively reduces the number of threads engaged on the stud.

Its covered here if your interested https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

the OEM ones are actually a transit nut, but with a different collar which is why they have exactly the same issues as transit nuts with swelling under the decorative cover. Its also why they are heavy, bulky and problematic.

As to looking crap, are you suggesting that one black wheel nut looks vastly different to another?

Snobbery over wheel nuts, priceless

Just picking up on the glaring mistake first. It should be "You're talking out of your backside", not "Your talking out of your backside".

I will pass on your kind offer to read any of your further inciteful posts, but thank you. Clearly I can only talk out of my backside whilst you know everything there is to know about Astons, but maybe a tad less about grammar.

Remember if you wade in and start thread crapping on multiple peoples prior posts, then don't be surprised when one of them bites back.

And if you wish to try misrepresent caring about how your Aston looks as snobbery then so be it.

[Oilchange]

Is that all you've got?

If you had countered with some engineering know-how I would have been impressed.

And spending less for wheel nuts when Aston charge £20 per nut is a no-brainer.

[IainWhy]

AdamV12V said:

Just picking up on the glaring mistake first. It should be "You're talking out of your backside", not "Your talking out of your backside".

I will pass on your kind offer to read any of your further inciteful posts, but thank you. Clearly I can only talk out of my backside whilst you know everything there is to know about Astons, but maybe a tad less about grammar.

Remember if you wade in and start thread crapping on multiple peoples prior posts, then don't be surprised when one of them bites back.

And if you wish to try misrepresent caring about how your Aston looks as snobbery then so be it.

Go for your life, without a spell check i would likely be classed as barely literate, but its a curse i have learned to live with, how its relevant to this conversation, i do not know though.

As to "knowing everything" a bizzare statement given that this conversation about wheel nuts but hey, believe what you will I wont disabuse you of it. i am not "crapping" on you personally, just the complete twaddle about some sort of class system for wheel nuts.

Oilchange said:

And spending less for wheel nuts when Aston charge £20 per nut is a no-brainer.

You would think right? anyway, no idea if this helps but the studs are transit twin axle 60mm studs with an m14x2 thread pitch. any M14x2 pitch nut will be absolutely fine providing it has the matching cone to the wheel( almost always 60 degree). They are available in open, closed black chrome, you name it. For about 16.99 for 20, so a full set for less than a single Aston one. They are lighter so you don't have to buy ludicrous titanium ones (then attach then to an incredibly over weight stud) and for a pittance can change them every year if your a dedicated follower of wheel nut fashion and simply have to have this years look. They also wont expand and jam the socket on, and if you get the open ended ones can give you an immediate visual indicator if any are backing off.

[p102768]

e600 said:

Don’t know if it helps but I changed my gen 1 Vanquish wheel nuts for Jaguar versions, they were identical other than being about 70% cheaper.

That is funny because Jaguar owners complain about the cost of their wheel nuts so uses one for a Toyota instead

[Nigel_O]

I had seven of my wheel nuts replaced by Aston Enginnering in Derby when the car was in for a service and check-over. They were less than £8 each, so I'm guessing they weren't OE Aston. That said, I can't see which ones are new and which are old, so they are clearly identical