Is this tyre a MOT fail?
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JulietRomeo

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213 posts

170 months

Tuesday 11th October 2022
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Would this tyre be a fail at MOT due to outer edge wear? Is 295 width, my fault for having under inflated the front left which continually goes down on pressures and settles at 34 whereas ideal is 38psi.

Tasmin200

1,364 posts

210 months

Tuesday 11th October 2022
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No, that should be an advisory.

Little Pete

1,834 posts

117 months

Tuesday 11th October 2022
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As long as the ply or cords aren't visible it will be an advisory.

Brassblaster

213 posts

43 months

Tuesday 11th October 2022
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Advisory I'd think... Wants changing as soon as reasonably possible either way IMHO.

FWIW

3,825 posts

120 months

Tuesday 11th October 2022
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Shouldn't the tread be visible for a pass?

MustangGT

13,675 posts

303 months

Tuesday 11th October 2022
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As it is one side only I would also get the tracking done, low pressure normally wears outside an inside evenly.

JulietRomeo

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213 posts

170 months

Tuesday 11th October 2022
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Thankyou all for replies so quickly. Is overdue on a tracking alignment as well since the last change where I skipped it as machine wasn’t running cos Covid. so I’ll factor that in for tyre changes later this year.

sixor8

7,894 posts

291 months

Tuesday 11th October 2022
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FWIW said:
Shouldn't the tread be visible for a pass?
It only has to have the minimum tread across the central 3/4 of the tyre. When they are that worn on the edge though, close inspection may show cords showing through, which is a fail.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/mot-inspection-manual-...

Pica-Pica

16,079 posts

107 months

Tuesday 11th October 2022
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sixor8 said:
FWIW said:
Shouldn't the tread be visible for a pass?
It only has to have the minimum tread across the central 3/4 of the tyre. When they are that worn on the edge though, close inspection may show cords showing through, which is a fail.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/mot-inspection-manual-...
.. and it notes ‘Either side of the central three-quarters of the tyre can be devoid of tread (‘bald’).’.

OutInTheShed

13,079 posts

49 months

Tuesday 11th October 2022
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Need to check it all around, if it's that close in one place, it could be under at another point.

TBH, it doesn't matter, it needs replacing.

fourstardan

6,235 posts

167 months

Tuesday 11th October 2022
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I had my mot yesterday at a local tyre specialist who do odds and sods on motor maintenance.

They bring it round "you need new tyres and pads"....I walk in and it's got PASS on the cert ffs.

Anyway I've checked and yes, insides on rear slightly worn but not down to threads (front did a few months back) oh and no pad light has come on miraculously since having the MOT and even before.

I have read other posts here that say its a matter of opinion on advisories like this?

surveyor_101

5,069 posts

202 months

Tuesday 11th October 2022
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OutInTheShed said:
Need to check it all around, if it's that close in one place, it could be under at another point.

TBH, it doesn't matter, it needs replacing.
Agreed going into the winter months that looks past its best, in germany we would not be having this discussion, why we will never have autobahns as brits average attitude is they don't care what condition/tread level is on their tyres.

No one can mot a tyre from that imagine, its ropey and has heavy shoulder wear, its appears to be just above wear bars so it may well have more than 1.65mm but less then 2mm is risky in my opinion.

To be honest if you presented that to me I would not want to sign it off for 12 months future use what is what 9/10 drivers treat an MOT as the only time they consider checking tyres or brakes

As a so called petrolhead I would be embarrassed to admit I took a car for MOT with tyres in that condition and clearly the tracking is a major issue,


Edited by surveyor_101 on Tuesday 11th October 14:49

OutInTheShed

13,079 posts

49 months

Tuesday 11th October 2022
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surveyor_101 said:
Agreed going into the winter months that looks past its best, in germany we would not be having this discussion, why we will never have autobahns as brits average attitude is they don't care what condition/tread level is on their tyres.

No one can mot a tyre from that imagine, its ropey and has heavy shoulder wear, its appears to be just above wear bars so it may well have more than 1.65mm but less then 2mm is risky in my opinion.

To be honest if you presented that to me I would not want to sign it off for 12 months future use what is what 9/10 drivers treat an MOT as the only time they consider checking tyres or brakes

As a so called petrolhead I would be embarrassed to admit I took a car for MOT with tyres in that condition and clearly the tracking is a major issue,


Edited by surveyor_101 on Tuesday 11th October 14:49
I can understand someone presenting a car for MOT with a near-knackered tyre. You don't want to buy new tyres for a car that might have terminal 'moth' or incurable emissions.
It's harder to understand quibbling about being told to change it. It's got 1000 miles left in, at best. If that's all you need to get an MOT, pay up and be thankful.

But, I prefer to get my tyres done by a local bloke I trust. Having had tyres changed by a general garage, they fitted not quite what I wanted, didn't notice the rims needed a clean-up to make them seal, and got the pressure wrong....

surveyor_101

5,069 posts

202 months

Tuesday 11th October 2022
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OutInTheShed said:
I can understand someone presenting a car for MOT with a near-knackered tyre. You don't want to buy new tyres for a car that might have terminal 'moth' or incurable emissions.
It's harder to understand quibbling about being told to change it. It's got 1000 miles left in, at best. If that's all you need to get an MOT, pay up and be thankful.

But, I prefer to get my tyres done by a local bloke I trust. Having had tyres changed by a general garage, they fitted not quite what I wanted, didn't notice the rims needed a clean-up to make them seal, and got the pressure wrong....
Oh, ok so your safety and that of your loved ones is not worth 4 tyres so around 200-400 encase your car fails on something terminal.

I don't work on that basis which is maybe why we have such a pants car culture in this country.

What did it fail on.

> exposed cords
> under 1.65mm across 3/4 of the tyre
> Tyre is showing signs of separation or bulging

Interestingly you can't fail on perished tyres for a passenger car but for commercial there are some limits of age etc like 6 or 8 years I believe.

They could dryer that an Egyptian mummy but for a standard car MOT it's just an advisory!

Yellow Lizud

2,794 posts

187 months

Tuesday 11th October 2022
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surveyor_101 said:
Oh, ok so your safety and that of your loved ones is not worth 4 tyres so around 200-400 encase your car fails on something terminal.

I don't work on that basis which is maybe why we have such a pants car culture in this country.
So you'd be happy to spend £200-£400 on a car that has legal tyres and could be scrap tomorrow?

Very honourable but I don't think you'll be selling the idea to many people.

OutInTheShed

13,079 posts

49 months

Tuesday 11th October 2022
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Yellow Lizud said:
surveyor_101 said:
Oh, ok so your safety and that of your loved ones is not worth 4 tyres so around 200-400 encase your car fails on something terminal.

I don't work on that basis which is maybe why we have such a pants car culture in this country.
So you'd be happy to spend £200-£400 on a car that has legal tyres and could be scrap tomorrow?

Very honourable but I don't think you'll be selling the idea to many people.
Given that the MOT place is nearer than the tyre shop, I could be driving a car with some other fault just to get an 'end of life' tyre changed.

virdeeb

84 posts

189 months

Tuesday 11th October 2022
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JulietRomeo said:
Would this tyre be a fail at MOT due to outer edge wear? Is 295 width, my fault for having under inflated the front left which continually goes down on pressures and settles at 34 whereas ideal is 38psi.
You wouldn't happen to have a Cayenne would you? I had the same sort of wear from correctly inflated tyres on the left side. It's also had a hunters alignment a few times in my ownership which hasn't shown anything out.


E63eeeeee...

5,766 posts

72 months

Tuesday 11th October 2022
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virdeeb said:
JulietRomeo said:
Would this tyre be a fail at MOT due to outer edge wear? Is 295 width, my fault for having under inflated the front left which continually goes down on pressures and settles at 34 whereas ideal is 38psi.
You wouldn't happen to have a Cayenne would you? I had the same sort of wear from correctly inflated tyres on the left side. It's also had a hunters alignment a few times in my ownership which hasn't shown anything out.
Do you live somewhere with lots of roundabouts?

Spleen

5,453 posts

144 months

Tuesday 11th October 2022
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surveyor_101 said:
They could dryer that an Egyptian mummy but for a standard car MOT it's just an advisory!
Wot?

JulietRomeo

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213 posts

170 months

Tuesday 11th October 2022
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E63eeeeee... said:
virdeeb said:
JulietRomeo said:
Would this tyre be a fail at MOT due to outer edge wear? Is 295 width, my fault for having under inflated the front left which continually goes down on pressures and settles at 34 whereas ideal is 38psi.
You wouldn't happen to have a Cayenne would you? I had the same sort of wear from correctly inflated tyres on the left side. It's also had a hunters alignment a few times in my ownership which hasn't shown anything out.
Do you live somewhere with lots of roundabouts?
Ding ding, wins all round. 2016 cayenne 3.0d. It’s largely entering retirement for the next 12 months as a 2007 Suzuki swift 1.5petrol auto has taken over as the daily.

Cayenne does minimal miles , <100 a month currently hence the tyre change query. And yes absolutely it’s not going into winter without fresh boots on, I just needed to know whether I need to book tyres in for next week or not (mot 21st oct).