Would you buy a 911 with a wrap?
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Thinking of buying this 1984 3.2 Carrera. Everything about it seems good, great provenance, except it has a silver wrap over the original red. There is a tiny amount of rust at the bottom left hand corner of the engine bay in the drain channel (visible in pic). The wraps means that the paint / rust condition is not really knowable.
Is that a massive no-go? Would you buy a wrapped older 911?
All aircooled Porsches are at risk from some rust and a wrap could be hiding all sorts.
You would certainly need a thorough PPI, and weigh up the amount of work required (body and mechanical) with the asking price, and whether it represents sensible value.
Is it a G50? They seem to be the most sought after.
Does look nice in Silver, but Guards is a classic colour and originality is best.
You would certainly need a thorough PPI, and weigh up the amount of work required (body and mechanical) with the asking price, and whether it represents sensible value.
Is it a G50? They seem to be the most sought after.
Does look nice in Silver, but Guards is a classic colour and originality is best.
Koln-RS said:
All aircooled Porsches are at risk from some rust and a wrap could be hiding all sorts.
You would certainly need a thorough PPI, and weigh up the amount of work required (body and mechanical) with the asking price, and whether it represents sensible value.
Is it a G50? They seem to be the most sought after.
Does look nice in Silver, but Guards is a classic colour and originality is best.
No in 1984 its not a G50.You would certainly need a thorough PPI, and weigh up the amount of work required (body and mechanical) with the asking price, and whether it represents sensible value.
Is it a G50? They seem to be the most sought after.
Does look nice in Silver, but Guards is a classic colour and originality is best.
I wouldn't, there is no way to know what it looks like under the wrap.
I would have thought though that the really scary rust problems would be visible through the wrap, e.g kidney bowls
Get it properly looked at.
Thanks all. Shame about the wrap. The seller is an enthusiast who races a 2.7, and has a few other Porsches, the previous owner before seller is an ex Porsche works driver and Le Mans winner. He had it wrapped. So it has a good history and is probably OK…. but it might not be … hmmmmm
The car sounds like it has excellent provenance and although the wrap is normally something I’d walk away from, on this occasion I’m not so sure. If it’s been on for a few years and still looks good it suggests the bodywork was in pretty good shape when wrapped. Oh, and it looks stunning in silver.
I did. Would I recommend it? It depends…
I purchased my 981 Cayman from a chap who was clearly a mega petrolhead. He had a GT4, too, and numerous other sports cars. Ot was wrapped to match the GT4 from it’s original black; we all know what that is like to keep clean. He had maintained it impeccably at significant expense and as part of the ‘buy the seller’ mantra, I trusted he wasn’t flogging me a car where the wrap was there to hide gremlins.
The wrap also looked fantastic - in the shuts, everywhere. It made getting it removed a fairly complicated affair!
However - on removing the wrap, while I was pleased to find lovely paintwork, but there was a couple of small areas where the little blade thing used to cut the wrap, had damaged the lacquer, and therefore needed touching up. The Porsche indy body shop charged 250ish for this.
This was on a nearly 9 year old car. I’m not sure how wrap removal will go on a classic with decades old lacquer. Having said that, the 3.5 years of wrapping did protect the paint. It looked like new after a good clean.
I purchased my 981 Cayman from a chap who was clearly a mega petrolhead. He had a GT4, too, and numerous other sports cars. Ot was wrapped to match the GT4 from it’s original black; we all know what that is like to keep clean. He had maintained it impeccably at significant expense and as part of the ‘buy the seller’ mantra, I trusted he wasn’t flogging me a car where the wrap was there to hide gremlins.
The wrap also looked fantastic - in the shuts, everywhere. It made getting it removed a fairly complicated affair!
However - on removing the wrap, while I was pleased to find lovely paintwork, but there was a couple of small areas where the little blade thing used to cut the wrap, had damaged the lacquer, and therefore needed touching up. The Porsche indy body shop charged 250ish for this.
This was on a nearly 9 year old car. I’m not sure how wrap removal will go on a classic with decades old lacquer. Having said that, the 3.5 years of wrapping did protect the paint. It looked like new after a good clean.
julian987R said:
Assuming it is original paint underneath wouldn't a wrap potentially rip off that paint when it is taken off. Perhaps not the whole car of course, but some areas might suffer. Who on earth wraps a classic? that mindset alone would make me walk away.
We could pontificate all day, but off the top of my head1 - oil-cooled paint will be oil based (if original of course), and probably be welded to the metal.... they don't make 'em like they used to. Lacquer of course is a different matter.
2 - you find a great example of a rare car, but in a colour you don't like. So you wrap it, retaining the originality.
All makes sense to me.
Koln-RS said:
All aircooled Porsches are at risk from some rust and a wrap could be hiding all sorts.
You would certainly need a thorough PPI, and weigh up the amount of work required (body and mechanical) with the asking price, and whether it represents sensible value.
Is it a G50? They seem to be the most sought after.
Does look nice in Silver, but Guards is a classic colour and originality is best.
A well set up 915 gear change is lovely to use, no need to get caught up with the ‘must be a g50’.You would certainly need a thorough PPI, and weigh up the amount of work required (body and mechanical) with the asking price, and whether it represents sensible value.
Is it a G50? They seem to be the most sought after.
Does look nice in Silver, but Guards is a classic colour and originality is best.
The 1984 915 often had a magnesium casing which was very light.
My 76 2.7 needed a full engine rebuild, even doing a lot myself and mates rates it was well over £10k. It can easily ruin the experience. I ended up selling it once rebuilt. Worth checking when it was last rebuilt and if only a top end or reseal. Bottom end is pretty strong mine was still on original grind at 180k and only really needed a regrind because it spun up on one journal.
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