RE: Defender adds ballastic protection to option list
RE: Defender adds ballastic protection to option list
Wednesday 19th October 2022

Defender adds ballistic protection to option list

Land Rover partners with Trasco to provide armoured Defender 110


The current Land Rover Defender has just become more defensive. Against ballistic stuff that, if you’re somewhere dodgy or particularly susceptible to high-powered offensive weaponry, may come in handy. You can now order one with Trasco A-KIP (anti-kidnap) ballistic and blast protection.

It’s available for the 110 model only as part of a JLR exclusive tie-up with the vehicle protection specialist. The upgrades constitute lightweight security-grade steel and composite for the doors, roof and footwells. The windscreen and door glass also provide suitable protection, and there’s a new partition separating the boot and the passenger compartment complete with a protective glass window.

Your choice of protection is VPAM 4 or VPAM 6 certification. In case you don’t know what those mean, it’s the scale of viciousness something’s rated to resist. One to five on the scale is considered soft amour. The sort of thing that'll stand up to something silly, like three hits from a .44 Magnum fired from a distance of around five metres. Six and above is for your proper stuff. That'll resist a mild steel-cored bullet fired from an AK-47 travelling at 720 m/s. Again, it’ll only stand three hits in the same spot, fired from around 10 metres away. That’s better than nothing, mind.

You can add more trinkets, too.  A fire suppression system, for example, to snub out a fire under the bonnet. There are also run-flat tyres, a self-sealing fuel tank, heavy-duty window lifters and ballistic underbody protection ‘for added confidence’.

And it’s not easy to spot your target because the changes are discreet. Allan Petty, European Sales Manager, Trasco, said: “Our inconspicuous in-house designed and manufactured A-KIP concept was conceived to help protect the most valuable of assets, human life. Discretion is often the best form of defence, and what we have created for Defender allows those who need additional protection to blend in with normal traffic as the vehicle is virtually indistinguishable from a standard model.”

There's no word on the weight penalty for all this additional kit, although presumably most clients think that a small price to pay for peace of mind. If you think you might have snipers trained on you at any point soon, you can order a specially equipped Defender from Trasco direct.


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Jon-zslg8

Original Poster:

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126 months

Wednesday 19th October 2022
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"Ballastic protection". I'd always worried about someone chucking a sack of aggregate at me in the new Defender.

vikingaero

13,476 posts

199 months

Wednesday 19th October 2022
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Alternative target market - preppers and 4x4 Response.

nismo48

7,184 posts

237 months

Wednesday 19th October 2022
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Solar glass and portholes please wink

BlackandWhite

391 posts

224 months

Wednesday 19th October 2022
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Life is fragile, even for the wealthy.

miroku1

417 posts

137 months

Wednesday 19th October 2022
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nismo48 said:
Solar glass and portholes please wink
Nope

Draxindustries1

1,657 posts

53 months

Wednesday 19th October 2022
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Not applicable to the UK or much of Europe.
If you really want something that's bomb/ munitions proof it'll me made in the USA...

Evanivitch

26,453 posts

152 months

Wednesday 19th October 2022
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Draxindustries1 said:
Not applicable to the UK or much of Europe.
If you really want something that's bomb/ munitions proof it'll me made in the USA...
Using the word "proof" shows you know F'all about it laugh

The UK has made armoured cars for over a century, and JLR products have a long history of protected vehicles for use by VVIP, NGO and diplomatic personnel all around the world.

JLR are one of the few manufacturers that implement such upgrades on the production line so they are properly and fully integrated without the tear-out and rebuild that many other armoured vehicles face.

Filibuster

3,406 posts

245 months

Wednesday 19th October 2022
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Evanivitch said:
Draxindustries1 said:
Not applicable to the UK or much of Europe.
If you really want something that's bomb/ munitions proof it'll me made in the USA...
Using the word "proof" shows you know F'all about it laugh

The UK has made armoured cars for over a century, and JLR products have a long history of protected vehicles for use by VVIP, NGO and diplomatic personnel all around the world.

JLR are one of the few manufacturers that implement such upgrades on the production line so they are properly and fully integrated without the tear-out and rebuild that many other armoured vehicles face.
You are absolutely right, with the first part at least.
But this is not an in house project that has been implemented in the original design by JLR. This is an “after thought” by Trasco. JLR approved, but not on the same level as Mercedes for instance, who properly develop a new S-Class from scratch with the intention of integrating ballistic protection truly in house.

IIRC in the past JLR used to work with Centigon for their armoured cars.

Filibuster

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This looks odd, ist there a bulge in the reinforced and enlarged frame??

Evanivitch

26,453 posts

152 months

Wednesday 19th October 2022
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Filibuster said:
You are absolutely right, with the first part at least.
But this is not an in house project that has been implemented in the original design by JLR. This is an “after thought” by Trasco. JLR approved, but not on the same level as Mercedes for instance, who properly develop a new S-Class from scratch with the intention of integrating ballistic protection truly in house.

IIRC in the past JLR used to work with Centigon for their armoured cars.
I've not suggested the car was designed originally by JLR to have these upgrades, only that the upgrade partner has access to cars on the production line and doesn't have to purchase, tear apart and rebuild cars to implement the upgrades.

Numeric

1,499 posts

181 months

Thursday 20th October 2022
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I'm always interested in how you assess how much armour you need.

I remember an interesting discussion the outcome of which was that the Leopard I main battle tank was rather 'flimsy'!

Evanivitch

26,453 posts

152 months

Thursday 20th October 2022
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Numeric said:
I'm always interested in how you assess how much armour you need.
Usually it's less about need and more about what's practicable for the size, weight and budget constraints.

Often the solution is something that is 5.56mm NATO or 7.62mm Soviet resistant because they are common rifle calibres. But NATO 7.62 and even .50 BMG can be owned in many countries, including the UK.

R56Cooper

2,533 posts

253 months

Thursday 20th October 2022
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I need an eye test, I thought at first glance JLR had partnered with Tesco FFS.


simon-tigjs

201 posts

127 months

Thursday 20th October 2022
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I understand Lizz Truss has ordered one !

donkmeister

13,052 posts

130 months

Thursday 20th October 2022
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Filibuster said:
Mercedes for instance, who properly develop a new S-Class from scratch with the intention of integrating ballistic protection truly in house.
Not just the S-class; going through the EPC for the W211 E-Class you have options to order parts for the armoured variant too.

Apart from the Beast and a couple of oddities on Doug Demuro (the latter ones really look like something I would be able to knock together in my garage), I can't think of any US armoured vehicles that aren't actual military armoured cars. For full on protection to protect a cash delivery driver long enough to become a double-hard internet legend surely you need to look to South Africa?

pquinn

7,167 posts

76 months

Thursday 20th October 2022
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It's still fairly low grade ballistic protection though, the sort that protects you against a mildly aggrieved dealer.

Barely worth the effort if you think anyone serious wants to hurt you. More like an ego polisher.

Evanivitch

26,453 posts

152 months

Thursday 20th October 2022
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pquinn said:
It's still fairly low grade ballistic protection though, the sort that protects you against a mildly aggrieved dealer.

Barely worth the effort if you think anyone serious wants to hurt you. More like an ego polisher.
Not aware there being a lot of 7.62x39mm being fired in drug related conflicts in the UK...

R56Cooper

2,533 posts

253 months

Thursday 20th October 2022
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Evanivitch said:
pquinn said:
It's still fairly low grade ballistic protection though, the sort that protects you against a mildly aggrieved dealer.

Barely worth the effort if you think anyone serious wants to hurt you. More like an ego polisher.
Not aware there being a lot of 7.62x39mm being fired in drug related conflicts in the UK...
At the risk of entering Walt territory (I know nothing about guns) surely the risk of being shot would have to significantly outweigh the risk of being involved in a crash that could leave you trapped in an armoured car with no way for the Fire Brigade to get you out?

Thinking of that awful incident in NI when 4 cops burned to death in an armoured Shogun - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-299...

Evanivitch

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152 months

Thursday 20th October 2022
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R56Cooper said:
At the risk of entering Walt territory (I know nothing about guns) surely the risk of being shot would have to significantly outweigh the risk of being involved in a crash that could leave you trapped in an armoured car with no way for the Fire Brigade to get you out?

Thinking of that awful incident in NI when 4 cops burned to death in an armoured Shogun - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-299...
They didn't die because the fire service couldn't extract them. They unfortunately died because neither the glass broke nor could they operate the emergency procedures to exit the vehicle. As the first officer on site reported (and also attended in a similar Vehicle) she was not aware of the emergency escape route.

VVIP often travel in convoy and/or under police escort. So the likelihood of a vehicle collision is reduced.

pquinn

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Thursday 20th October 2022
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Evanivitch said:
Not aware there being a lot of 7.62x39mm being fired in drug related conflicts in the UK...
Plenty of it in Europe though. If I'm genuinely worried enough about getting shot to be buying armour I'd be thinking about that stuff being quite likely.