RE: Axe set to fall on Ford Fiesta in 2023
RE: Axe set to fall on Ford Fiesta in 2023
Tuesday 25th October 2022

Axe set to fall on Ford Fiesta in 2023

Has it come to this?


We’ve become increasingly accustomed to topsy-turvy occurrences in the headlong rush to electrification. Car manufacturers, beset by a requirement for wholesale change, are doing (or at the very least seriously considering) things they previously wouldn’t have dreamed of implementing. Lotus is building a vast, electrically-powered SUV. McLaren will soon follow suit. Mercedes-AMG is abandoning the V8. BMW is designing cars blindfolded. We’re through the looking glass, people. 

If additional evidence were needed that up is down and black is white, you only need to consider the idea that Ford is expected to imminently announce the downfall of the Fiesta - perhaps as soon as next year. This is from Rob Gill at The Sun, a man who could justly claim to be as close to the manufacturer’s pulse as anyone else, and is reportedly based on comments made by company insiders that reiterate the need for a ‘reset of Ford’s portfolio DNA’ - i.e. one focused on SUVs and electric vehicles. 

While such a move would hardly be unprecedented (let’s not forget Ford has already killed off the Mondeo and, in time, will do the same to the Focus) it is already being treated as seismic shock in the industry - and with good reason. The Fiesta wasn’t just a popular and long-running supermini, but also the top-selling car in Britain from 2009 to 2020. The Sun says 4.8m Fiestas have been sold in five decades on sale, and there are few cars that can claim to feature in so many personal car histories. Matt Bird’s mum owned one. Cam Tait still does. 

Assuming it is true though, Ford will likely point to the unimpeachable logic behind its decision. For one thing, the Fiesta’s popularity has categorically slipped. Its maker now sells more examples of the Puma than it does Fiesta; even more damningly, the much newer Vauxhall Corsa is leagues ahead of it. Let’s not forget either that Ford has been building the current Fiesta since 2017 - and its similar-looking predecessor launched in 2008. This is a car already approaching the end of its life cycle in Mk8 format. 

Moreover, the best indication of its demise beyond the tacit agreement of unnamed sources, is that there is nothing in the pipeline to replace the Fiesta. As The Sun notes, there was time for Ford to develop a successor ahead of 2030, but, like a supertanker in the Channel, the firm has already changed tack - ‘people want high-riding crossovers — and we play to win’ - and is busy fulfilling a promise it has already made to introduce four all-new battery-powered cars by 2024. None of them, it seems, will fit the template of a conventional supermini. 

There is also the oft-mentioned fact of the Fiesta’s profitability: prodigious sales figures aside, it never made Ford a prodigious amount of money. As they tend to be with small cars, its margins were notoriously thin. That isn’t the case with the Puma, and certainly won’t be with the EVs to come. Question is, can any of them realistically expect to replace the Fiesta in the nation’s affection? Ford would like to think so - after all, its back catalogue is stuffed with other household names that were triumphantly superseded. But in reality, it is likely to find the next decade much choppier than the previous five. Expect more details soon. 


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Silvanus

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6,917 posts

53 months

Tuesday 25th October 2022
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Outsold by the more profitable Puma, can see a few other manufacturers dropping their superminis and small hatches for crossovers. Although Hyundai and Kia still offer a wide range of both. Fords sales in the UK are dropping along with quite a few European and Japanese car manufacturers. The Koreans are bucking the trend.

Dombilano

1,463 posts

85 months

Tuesday 25th October 2022
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Passed my test in a 1.25 zetec. Sad days

LankyFreak

876 posts

58 months

Tuesday 25th October 2022
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A500leroy

8,559 posts

148 months

Tuesday 25th October 2022
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Thats me sticking to motorcycles then if the alternative is killing off perfectly acceptable small cars like this and being forced into a 4 toone electric troop carrier.

Kawasicki

14,404 posts

265 months

Tuesday 25th October 2022
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It’s amazing really.

rjfp1962

9,377 posts

103 months

Tuesday 25th October 2022
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I had a 1978 Fiesta 1300S back in the 80's, and far more recently a Mk7 ST2 which was a great little car...
Sign of the times I guess.....! frown

JD

3,149 posts

258 months

Tuesday 25th October 2022
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DriveSnowdonia said:
There isn't enough currently available rare earth metals, lithium, cobalt etc. to manufacture all these new electric cars by 2030, and to support the replacement of batteries in the already manufactured electric cars, many of which will have come to the end of their battery lifespan long before 2030. So unless we quickly open many hundreds of hugely environmentally damaging mines, mostly in third world countries where the workforce can be exploited, the dilemma we will face soon will be:

a), postpone the ban on ICE cars until some further future point in time.

or

b), accept that there won't be enough electric cars or other vehicles produced to meet our transport needs by 2030 and accept that the costs of these cars will be unsustainable to the average consumer. That is of course assuming our National Grid can cope with the additional load of going full electric, when there is already talk of energy shortages this winter. The only way to significantly ramp up grid capacity fairly quickly in the short term whilst we wait for new nuclear to come on-line (10 years +) would be to burn more natural gas and other fossil fuels.
How can you still be this thick in 2022?

J4CKO

46,989 posts

230 months

Tuesday 25th October 2022
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DriveSnowdonia said:
There isn't enough currently available rare earth metals, lithium, cobalt etc.
Hmm, hasn't that been proven to not be the case, plenty out there, Lithium and Cobalt arent rare earth metals anyway and a lot of battery tech doesnt use much of them anyway any more.

Frimley111R

19,344 posts

264 months

Tuesday 25th October 2022
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Your source of this is a mainstream adult comic?!

mwstewart

8,589 posts

218 months

Tuesday 25th October 2022
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Euro 7 is being watered down https://www.autoevolution.com/news/euro-7-emission...

We'll have petrol and diesel for a long time yet. The eco targets were not realistic.

covmutley

3,377 posts

220 months

Tuesday 25th October 2022
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We seem to be re-approaching a time when it will only be the wealthy that own cars.

Im not sure why small cars are not profitable? Expensive labour? Complexity required by the ever more and ever tighter legislation?

I may be getting old, but is it any wonder we have a low growth economy when the legislation sucks the blood out of everything and makes it so damn expensive and complicated to do things?

Silvanus

Original Poster:

6,917 posts

53 months

Tuesday 25th October 2022
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DriveSnowdonia said:
There isn't enough currently available rare earth metals, lithium, cobalt etc. to manufacture all these new electric cars by 2030, and to support the replacement of batteries in the already manufactured electric cars, many of which will have come to the end of their battery lifespan long before 2030. So unless we quickly open many hundreds of hugely environmentally damaging mines, mostly in third world countries where the workforce can be exploited, the dilemma we will face soon will be:

a), postpone the ban on ICE cars until some further future point in time.

or

b), accept that there won't be enough electric cars or other vehicles produced to meet our transport needs by 2030 and accept that the costs of these cars will be unsustainable to the average consumer. That is of course assuming our National Grid can cope with the additional load of going full electric, when there is already talk of energy shortages this winter. The only way to significantly ramp up grid capacity fairly quickly in the short term whilst we wait for new nuclear to come on-line (10 years +) would be to burn more natural gas and other fossil fuels.
The Fiestas demise isn't because of EVs, its because nobody wants one any more. The general population much prefer crossovers and Ford have started to lag behind with their bread and butter vehicles. Ford buyers are either now buying a Puma, or buying a small hatch from a different manufacturer.

Charlie Foxtrot

3,293 posts

245 months

Tuesday 25th October 2022
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This a story that a marketing team succeeded in telling us we need the bigger, taller and more expensive vehicle thus rendering the 'old' format obsolete.

Personally it's a shame as I'd rather a Fiesta over a Puma but I am also part of the problem because I have never owned a fiesta.

LankyFreak

876 posts

58 months

Tuesday 25th October 2022
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covmutley said:
Complexity required by the ever more and ever tighter legislation?
In my opinion.

Bispal

1,997 posts

181 months

Tuesday 25th October 2022
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It just seems like car design trends and buying choices are driven by an overwhelming desire by the buying public to have a car that is at least as big / high / safe / prestigious as all the other cars. As more SUV's and larger electric cars come onto the road peoples Fiestas, Micra's, Corsa's suddenly seem small and dangerous in comparison so they decide their next car will be bigger so it can compete for road space and safety. Where will it end?



Retro.74

325 posts

53 months

Tuesday 25th October 2022
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The STs have always been a great hot hatch, but it's a shame Ford never gave the Fiesta one last hurrah as a bit of a celebration to the name and put out a full fat 4wd RS. There have been enough rumours over the years, even from within Ford, but sadly that ship has long since sailed.

sjg

7,682 posts

295 months

Tuesday 25th October 2022
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covmutley said:
Im not sure why small cars are not profitable? Expensive labour? Complexity required by the ever more and ever tighter legislation?

I may be getting old, but is it any wonder we have a low growth economy when the legislation sucks the blood out of everything and makes it so damn expensive and complicated to do things?
Certainly fleet average CO2 makes small, simple, cheap ICE cars tricky because they need to offset the emissions of that car. But buyers also want decent safety, and a 5-star NCAP rating now means lots of airbags and active safety tech. Generally they want a bit of kit too so while commenters here love the *idea* of a UN white Dacia on steel wheels and no stereo, they don't actually buy them - the people that do tend to go midrange or upwards.

As for Ford, they've been moving towards SUVs for years. No more Mondeo, the Galaxy/S-Max are almost gone. When they can sell the Ecosport and Puma to Fiesta buyers for more money, why keep it around?

Ultrafunkula

1,022 posts

135 months

Tuesday 25th October 2022
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Not a surprising piece of news, Ford's move towards an SUV heavy range continues. The Puma is supposed to be almost as good a drive as the Fiesta though so maybe not so much of a big change.

anonymous-user

84 months

Tuesday 25th October 2022
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I was told this a few months ago by someone at Ford. They are concentrating on commercials. That’s where the money is.

ITP

2,762 posts

227 months

Tuesday 25th October 2022
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I think it’s widely know that technology being forced in cars, for example ISA systems, means that the profit margins of small, cheap, runaround cars is squeezed so much they are not worth making for the manufacturers.

The margins are always higher on bigger cars, so amazingly, in this world where we are supposed to be saving resources and increasing efficiency the powers that be are making it much much worse by forcing what is basically data gathering, tracking and control technology on us no one needs or asked for. All this does is make cars more expensive, bigger and heavier.