61 in a 50 - Scotland
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Never thought I'd ever have a reason to post in here as I'm usually very careful but ho hum. Bang to rights and caught by a mobile safety camera recently
Using AGT Laws guidelines, i don't this SAC are an option in Scotland and using the column where this isn't an option anyway what am i looking at? Have i just squeaked into a threshold to achieve 3 points and a fine or more?
Clean license, no offences in at least 10 years etc.
Using AGT Laws guidelines, i don't this SAC are an option in Scotland and using the column where this isn't an option anyway what am i looking at? Have i just squeaked into a threshold to achieve 3 points and a fine or more?
Clean license, no offences in at least 10 years etc.
Davie_GLA said:
Never thought I'd ever have a reason to post in here as I'm usually very careful but ho hum. Bang to rights and caught by a mobile safety camera recently
Using AGT Laws guidelines, i don't this SAC are an option in Scotland and using the column where this isn't an option anyway what am i looking at? Have i just squeaked into a threshold to achieve 3 points and a fine or more?
Clean license, no offences in at least 10 years etc.
My mate just got done for 57 in a 50 (fUsing AGT Laws guidelines, i don't this SAC are an option in Scotland and using the column where this isn't an option anyway what am i looking at? Have i just squeaked into a threshold to achieve 3 points and a fine or more?
Clean license, no offences in at least 10 years etc.
king Kessock Bridge) 3 points & £100Good luck
ianrb said:
They don't do SACs in Scotland, just go straight points & FPT.
do they have jurisdiction to put points on your licence.? .... a UK licence. Scotland is a devolved authority so has the UK govt allowed Scotland to lawfully impose a penalty on a UK licence?I presume they do but be interesting to look into what it exactly says when I get some free time. ( stranger get offs things have happened)
douglasb said:
Although there is a devolved government in Scotland not all powers are devolved to it and Scotland is part of the UK. Driver and Vehicle Licencing isn't a devolved area so a UK driving licence can have points applied for an offence committed in any part of the UK.
thank you - is the court applying to the DVLA to have points applied or applying points in its own right? ie could the DVLA say no to the Scottish court?
I quickly read that Law and order is devolved. It interesting to me to try and follow the chain/link to actually see what exactly has been devolved or not and how far and then if the Scottish court has true jurisdiction to impose points on a UK licence.
superlightr said:
douglasb said:
Although there is a devolved government in Scotland not all powers are devolved to it and Scotland is part of the UK. Driver and Vehicle Licencing isn't a devolved area so a UK driving licence can have points applied for an offence committed in any part of the UK.
thank you - is the court applying to the DVLA to have points applied or applying points in its own right? ie could the DVLA say no to the Scottish court?
I quickly read that Law and order is devolved. It interesting to me to try and follow the chain/link to actually see what exactly has been devolved or not and how far and then if the Scottish court has true jurisdiction to impose points on a UK licence.
DVLA cover licences for England, Wales & Scotland.
A couple of things -
Firstly, the OP hasn't said if he lives in Scotland or not. If he does then your question about having authority to issue points is irrelevant.
Secondly, does Scotland have its own equivalent of the DVLA? It doesn't and "Scottish" licences are issued from Swansea so all licences in Scotland, England and Wales are UK licences and can have points applied for offences in any part of the UK irrespective of where the driver lives.
Northern Ireland has its own equivalent of DVLA but points aquired for offences in mainland Britain can be applied to these licences and vice versa (the clue is that it's all the UK). I believe that there is also a reciprocal agreement with the Republic of Ireland (or at least there was before Brexit) whereby a UK driver commiting an offence in RoI could have points applied to a UK licence by an Irish court and similarly an Irish driver could have points applied to a RoI licence by a UK court.
As an aside, the Scottish legal system was different from England and Wales even before devolution.
Firstly, the OP hasn't said if he lives in Scotland or not. If he does then your question about having authority to issue points is irrelevant.
Secondly, does Scotland have its own equivalent of the DVLA? It doesn't and "Scottish" licences are issued from Swansea so all licences in Scotland, England and Wales are UK licences and can have points applied for offences in any part of the UK irrespective of where the driver lives.
Northern Ireland has its own equivalent of DVLA but points aquired for offences in mainland Britain can be applied to these licences and vice versa (the clue is that it's all the UK). I believe that there is also a reciprocal agreement with the Republic of Ireland (or at least there was before Brexit) whereby a UK driver commiting an offence in RoI could have points applied to a UK licence by an Irish court and similarly an Irish driver could have points applied to a RoI licence by a UK court.
As an aside, the Scottish legal system was different from England and Wales even before devolution.
vonhosen said:
superlightr said:
douglasb said:
Although there is a devolved government in Scotland not all powers are devolved to it and Scotland is part of the UK. Driver and Vehicle Licencing isn't a devolved area so a UK driving licence can have points applied for an offence committed in any part of the UK.
thank you - is the court applying to the DVLA to have points applied or applying points in its own right? ie could the DVLA say no to the Scottish court?
I quickly read that Law and order is devolved. It interesting to me to try and follow the chain/link to actually see what exactly has been devolved or not and how far and then if the Scottish court has true jurisdiction to impose points on a UK licence.
DVLA cover licences for England, Wales & Scotland.
Davie_GLA said:
craig511 said:
Go unsigned.
See Pepipoo for details but simple enough.
What does that mean? See Pepipoo for details but simple enough.
matchmaker said:
It doesn't mean anything. Typical PH "I saw it on the internet" comment. You were caught, so you'll just have to pay up. Camera on the Kessock Bridge! Must take more care next time I'm up there...
I agree, I don’t have the energy to piss about trying to defend something I clearly have no way of denying. st happensI suspect that points and a fine are the law, and that driver education courses are a concession offered by enlightened police forces in varous parts of the UK, in an attempt to re-educate drivers who were slightly over the limit rather than excessively.
Someone will be along shortly who knows the law. I am merely guessing, based on the wording of the NIP I received 2 years ago for 57 in a 50 on the A1.
It gave me the option to take the fine and 3 points as prescribed in law, or go back to school (after 50 years driving) for a refresher course at my own expense.
Someone will be along shortly who knows the law. I am merely guessing, based on the wording of the NIP I received 2 years ago for 57 in a 50 on the A1.
It gave me the option to take the fine and 3 points as prescribed in law, or go back to school (after 50 years driving) for a refresher course at my own expense.
Sorry if my reply annoyed you all.
And no I don’t subscribe to Freeman of the land nonsense.
Going unsigned only works in Scotland, hence my comment.
When you receive an NIP you need to provide drivers details. The form also asks you to sign it.
In England you must sign it or the form isn’t complete. This was tested in court.
In Scotland however the Procurator Fiscal has yet taken anyone to court. As long as you complete the NIP, don’t sign it, it will eventually get dropped, sometimes on the day of court when your charge is upgraded to “ failure to furnish”. It’s not hassle free, expect police to doorstep you trying to get you to sign it at all hours of the day etc .
That’s not to say that one day the PF won’t try a case but as of yet it hasn’t happened.
I advised going to pepipoo as there are many examples of people doing just this, including myself some years ago.
Why they don’t test it in court is unknown to me, but it is what it is.
And no I don’t subscribe to Freeman of the land nonsense.
Going unsigned only works in Scotland, hence my comment.
When you receive an NIP you need to provide drivers details. The form also asks you to sign it.
In England you must sign it or the form isn’t complete. This was tested in court.
In Scotland however the Procurator Fiscal has yet taken anyone to court. As long as you complete the NIP, don’t sign it, it will eventually get dropped, sometimes on the day of court when your charge is upgraded to “ failure to furnish”. It’s not hassle free, expect police to doorstep you trying to get you to sign it at all hours of the day etc .
That’s not to say that one day the PF won’t try a case but as of yet it hasn’t happened.
I advised going to pepipoo as there are many examples of people doing just this, including myself some years ago.
Why they don’t test it in court is unknown to me, but it is what it is.
Here’s a post from 2011 but the same still stands today.
http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=6724...
http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=6724...
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