RE: Porsche reveals Gen3 99X Electric racer
RE: Porsche reveals Gen3 99X Electric racer
Tuesday 8th November 2022

Porsche reveals Gen3 99X Electric racer

Third generation Formula E cars promise better racing; here's what Porsche will compete with


You’d be forgiven for not paying Formula E a huge amount of attention, even with the series nearing in on its 10th anniversary. The racing hasn’t really delivered as an entertainment spectacle, not helped of course by having the volume turned down. Next year’s championship, the ninth running, will use third generation Formula E cars. These promise much more entertaining motorsport; with additional power and a huge increase in regen ability, they will be the fastest, lightest, most powerful and efficient electric racing cars ever built.

This is Porsche’s entrant, the 99X Electric, revealed at the Porsche Experience Centre in Franciacorta in Italy and offering a drastically different look even to this year’s car, let alone the first 99X Electric seen in 2019. Nobody could accuse Porsche (and the championship) of not responding to feedback and demand; a silhouette that more closely resembles a traditional open-wheel racer can’t be an accident. Significant changes for the Gen3 99X Electric include more power (476hp is a handy 135hp more than before), double the regen capability of a Gen2 car (now 600kW, providing up to 40 per cent of energy required) and motor efficiency of around 95 per cent. Which, whatever you think about Formula E, is pretty impressive when the best combustion engines are about 40 per cent efficient.

Additionally, the 99X uses battery cells ‘from sustainably sourced minerals’ as well as recycled carbon from the Gen2 car for the bodywork. Nowadays, moreover, the carbon footprint of a Formula E car is measured from the design phase, with all unavoidable emissions to be offset as part of the net zero carbon pledge. Great excuse to design a race car from home, too; bike aside, there’s not much carbon-free commuting.

With the aim for the third generation of Formula E to create nothing less than new benchmarks in terms of performance, efficiency, and sustainability, much is expected of cars like the new 99X Electric. Thomas Laudenbach, Porsche Motorsport Vice Pres, said: “We’re delighted to be able to present the new Porsche 99X Electric Gen3 to the world. Our development team in Weissach have invested a great deal of work, experience, heart, and soul into this race car. They can all be truly proud of the result. Like the all-new Formula E generation, the Porsche 99X Electric Gen3 represents a technological milestone in all-electric racing. For Formula E and also for Porsche, campaigning these new cars from season 9 of the ABB FIA Formula E World Championship is a significant step into the future of motorsport. We’re looking forward to the start of the season and a new era.” That season begins in Mexico City on January 14th, 2023, a circuit that holds fond memories for Porsche following a one-two there this year. Pascal Wehrlein and Antonio Felix da Costa will be driving - a repeat performance would be the best way to kick off what ought to be an intriguing season.


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paul13

Original Poster:

829 posts

232 months

Monday 7th November 2022
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Genuinely zero interest. In fact even less than I have for F1 (which is none)!

Dynion Araf Uchaf

5,192 posts

253 months

Monday 7th November 2022
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yes I was thinking that for a PH leading article, it was unusual not to get any comments. But then I saw it was about FE.

Terminator X

20,879 posts

234 months

Monday 7th November 2022
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They can't solve the biggest problem, boredom.

TX.

Jon_S_Rally

4,500 posts

118 months

Tuesday 8th November 2022
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Article feels a bit light on detail. Are these still using a shared chassis/powertrain? I don't follow FE closely, so haven't followed the rule changes.

whp1983

1,400 posts

169 months

Tuesday 8th November 2022
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They need to drop the gimmicky stuff…. And develop cars so they can run on proper tracks to get proper racing…. All the tight homemade circuits so they can regen just makes the racing dull.

The race last season where the winner crawled home with 1% battery was an embarrassment- hopefully that can be avoided at least.

MF35

454 posts

51 months

Tuesday 8th November 2022
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Well competition improves the breed etc, so hopefully improvements in battery tech will trickle down to road going Porsches.

This would still be fun to drive of course. However, we're realising how much the sound of an ICE engine facilitated audience participation in the event.

Crook

8,086 posts

254 months

Tuesday 8th November 2022
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They need to sort the circuits: I watched one race where it looked to be part carpark under an overpass and part contraflow.
They rattled around nose to tail with absolutely no opportunity to pass. Utterly pointless.

Give them a proper circuit. I can’t see why it doesn’t have a future but it does need genuine opportunity to pass not some “this-zone” or “that-zone”.

As to manufactures / teams - no idea.

Julian Scott

4,308 posts

54 months

Tuesday 8th November 2022
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paul13 said:
Genuinely zero interest. In fact even less than I have for F1 (which is none)!
...but enough interest to post about your total lack of interest, negative interest if its less than none? wink

The spinner of plates

18,084 posts

230 months

Tuesday 8th November 2022
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Crook said:
They need to sort the circuits: I watched one race where it looked to be part carpark under an overpass and part contraflow.
They rattled around nose to tail with absolutely no opportunity to pass. Utterly pointless.

Give them a proper circuit. I can’t see why it doesn’t have a future but it does need genuine opportunity to pass not some “this-zone” or “that-zone”.

As to manufactures / teams - no idea.
Yup, I took my lad to formula E a few years back, think it was battersea.

Utter ste, we left before it finished to go eat.

Having taken him to Brands on multiple occasions to watch all sorts, even as a kid he could tell we were wasting our time on this one…

Ho hum, such is progress, I’ll let others enjoy this new ‘exciting’ motorsport development, meanwhile I’ll just pursue other interests.

nismo48

7,184 posts

237 months

Tuesday 8th November 2022
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Terminator X said:
They can't solve the biggest problem, boredom.

TX.
+1

noble12345

362 posts

246 months

Tuesday 8th November 2022
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nismo48 said:
Terminator X said:
They can't solve the biggest problem, boredom.

TX.
+1
+2 Even F1 bores me now they sound like wheezzy sewing machines rolleyes

MotoGP still good fun plenty of mad overtaking woohoo

ntiz

2,687 posts

166 months

Tuesday 8th November 2022
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MF35 said:
Well competition improves the breed etc, so hopefully improvements in battery tech will trickle down to road going Porsches.

This would still be fun to drive of course. However, we're realising how much the sound of an ICE engine facilitated audience participation in the event.
Unless something has changed. That’s the problem there is no competition in terms of technology. They all drive identical cars provided by Formula E designed I might be wrong Rimac.

Only difference is branding.

paul13

Original Poster:

829 posts

232 months

Tuesday 8th November 2022
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Julian Scott said:
...but enough interest to post about your total lack of interest, negative interest if its less than none? wink
No other comments so thought that I would be the first!

Jon_S_Rally

4,500 posts

118 months

Wednesday 9th November 2022
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The fact that this only has 13 (now 14) comments probably says something about how effective Formula E is at reaching more traditional motorsport enthusiasts. Part of that will undoubtedly be the "luddite" factor, but I think it goes further than that unfortunately. The poor choice of circuits and gimmicks like fan boost haven't helped I don't think. I admire the way they have tried to do something differently, but there is clearly still a long way to go.

VR6 Eug

832 posts

229 months

Wednesday 9th November 2022
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No one cares about electric race cars, it not worth the time to write the story.

greyarea

30 posts

180 months

Wednesday 9th November 2022
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ntiz said:
MF35 said:
Well competition improves the breed etc, so hopefully improvements in battery tech will trickle down to road going Porsches.

This would still be fun to drive of course. However, we're realising how much the sound of an ICE engine facilitated audience participation in the event.
Unless something has changed. That’s the problem there is no competition in terms of technology. They all drive identical cars provided by Formula E designed I might be wrong Rimac.

Only difference is branding.
Not quite:

"The all-electric single-seater series features a spec chassis, bodywork and batteries, but teams are free to fit their own drivetrain technology – which can make a huge difference to how efficient the cars are."

https://www.moveelectric.com/e-cars/porsche-target...

I have been following Formula E (as well as many major ICE car and bike series available on UK TV) and the Gen 1 cars were utterly dire. Gen 2 much less so as there was no need for mid-race swaps and although they had more power still lacked top speed so always looked slow on the straights. My hope is that Gen 3 will finally be fast enough to stop me falling asleep during most of the races. The concept of all street races is good with some interesting tracks and the races can be entertaining but whenever I watch there is the feeling they need more power.

As someone that used to play Gran Turismo/Ridge Racer/etc with the sound off, so as not to annoy others in the house, the lack of sound bothers me less than others.

ntiz

2,687 posts

166 months

Thursday 10th November 2022
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greyarea said:
Not quite:

"The all-electric single-seater series features a spec chassis, bodywork and batteries, but teams are free to fit their own drivetrain technology – which can make a huge difference to how efficient the cars are."

https://www.moveelectric.com/e-cars/porsche-target...

I have been following Formula E (as well as many major ICE car and bike series available on UK TV) and the Gen 1 cars were utterly dire. Gen 2 much less so as there was no need for mid-race swaps and although they had more power still lacked top speed so always looked slow on the straights. My hope is that Gen 3 will finally be fast enough to stop me falling asleep during most of the races. The concept of all street races is good with some interesting tracks and the races can be entertaining but whenever I watch there is the feeling they need more power.

As someone that used to play Gran Turismo/Ridge Racer/etc with the sound off, so as not to annoy others in the house, the lack of sound bothers me less than others.
Ah fair enough. I stand corrected.

Has it always been this way or did it change between one the generation?

zebedee

4,596 posts

308 months

Saturday 12th November 2022
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I thought manufacturers had realised this is a waste of money because nobody is interested in it and nobody cares who beats who,let alone uses it to base a decision on which type of electric car to buy. Motorsport used to help define and position some brands but it doesn’t seem to work with electric cars.