Help required re probation / residency
Discussion
Hi.
I am writing this for help. It is an emotive subject but I respectfully ask to keep it polite and at the end of the day, we are trying to help someone and I am asking for your help. I don't condone what he did but we are trying to help him put his life back together and be a useful member of society.
The Mrs and I have an acquaintance that is about to be released for sex offences (downloading images). To help with rehabilitation we have said that he can have one of our spare rooms (His life really has fallen apart, so to speak and he has no one on the outside now apart from us).
We had a surprise visit by the specialised sex offender management team and they said everything is good. We are good, house is good. Internert security etc etc. Suddenly they have turned round and said that for reasons that they can't specify, not related to the Mrs or I, or the house, he can no longer come to live in our house.
We do have a school and part close by but when pointed out the Police said it wouldn't be an issue and they where aware. We think it is potentially because his sentence was > 1 year and therefore subject to MAPA level2 which requires a "secure" place to live?
This whole scenario is bad because it essentially removes him to a HMO style affair with no close backup (As I said, the Mrs works in mental health crisis so she would be ideal to help him come to terms/re-integrate into society.) It's also a warm, secure, house with people who get on with him and no worries about being attacked etc. In short, if he cant move here, his change of re-offending jumps massively.
The probation wont tell us what the reason is other than the police have flagged something but they wont tell us what.
So, question is, how do we find out if it is something we can argue/remediate to increase this guys chance of success. I am willing to spend on solicitor if needs be but even then, no idea whom to approach.
Any help on this one is appreciated.
I am writing this for help. It is an emotive subject but I respectfully ask to keep it polite and at the end of the day, we are trying to help someone and I am asking for your help. I don't condone what he did but we are trying to help him put his life back together and be a useful member of society.
The Mrs and I have an acquaintance that is about to be released for sex offences (downloading images). To help with rehabilitation we have said that he can have one of our spare rooms (His life really has fallen apart, so to speak and he has no one on the outside now apart from us).
We had a surprise visit by the specialised sex offender management team and they said everything is good. We are good, house is good. Internert security etc etc. Suddenly they have turned round and said that for reasons that they can't specify, not related to the Mrs or I, or the house, he can no longer come to live in our house.
We do have a school and part close by but when pointed out the Police said it wouldn't be an issue and they where aware. We think it is potentially because his sentence was > 1 year and therefore subject to MAPA level2 which requires a "secure" place to live?
This whole scenario is bad because it essentially removes him to a HMO style affair with no close backup (As I said, the Mrs works in mental health crisis so she would be ideal to help him come to terms/re-integrate into society.) It's also a warm, secure, house with people who get on with him and no worries about being attacked etc. In short, if he cant move here, his change of re-offending jumps massively.
The probation wont tell us what the reason is other than the police have flagged something but they wont tell us what.
So, question is, how do we find out if it is something we can argue/remediate to increase this guys chance of success. I am willing to spend on solicitor if needs be but even then, no idea whom to approach.
Any help on this one is appreciated.
You say the sentence was over 1 year, how many years are we talking about and how many years has he actually served in prison?
If for example he was given 3 years and he has served 18 months he will be released on licence from prison where the licence runs for the remaining 18 months.
It's normal in that case and given the nature of the offence that he would be released to a bail hostel so that he can still be monitored by the probation service at the hostel, and whilst there the hostel will closely monitor his behaviour, this isn't something you and your wife can do in the same way.
It's likely he would reside at the hostel for a period of weeks before being allowed to move elsewhere, this isn't something you will be able to appeal or negate.
If for example he was given 3 years and he has served 18 months he will be released on licence from prison where the licence runs for the remaining 18 months.
It's normal in that case and given the nature of the offence that he would be released to a bail hostel so that he can still be monitored by the probation service at the hostel, and whilst there the hostel will closely monitor his behaviour, this isn't something you and your wife can do in the same way.
It's likely he would reside at the hostel for a period of weeks before being allowed to move elsewhere, this isn't something you will be able to appeal or negate.
I agree with USSRCossack in that it is probably something to do with location to victim.
Mind it could also be that someone has found out about what type of person is moving into their area and raised concerns prior to it happening.
For to have a MAPPA 2 attached to him tells us that he is classed as needing extra monitoring for public safety reasons.
Level Two: Often called local inter-risk agency management (cases with a high or very high risk of harm to others). MAPPA meetings take place to develop a coordinated plan between the police, the probation service and other agencies.
The MAPPA team are going to have to cover all bases cause if it goes wrong there could be a public outcry.
Mind it could also be that someone has found out about what type of person is moving into their area and raised concerns prior to it happening.
For to have a MAPPA 2 attached to him tells us that he is classed as needing extra monitoring for public safety reasons.
Level Two: Often called local inter-risk agency management (cases with a high or very high risk of harm to others). MAPPA meetings take place to develop a coordinated plan between the police, the probation service and other agencies.
The MAPPA team are going to have to cover all bases cause if it goes wrong there could be a public outcry.
Edited by Dark Star on Thursday 10th November 06:48
elanfan said:
There appears not to be any physical victim it was a downloaded porn offence.
Could depend upon if the images were created by someone local. This person they are wanting to help could be part of a bigger picture but we just don’t know from the facts given.It is not unheard of for pedophiles to have abused their own kids or those close to them. So one of his type could have distributed child images to the others and hence the possibility of local victim.
Hey All,
Thanks for the posts. As mentioned, the person in question was "general" internet downloads. Hopefully, after a bit of digging and ringing it appears that the person in question will be told the reasons (and if given permission, we will be told) so who knows. We suspect it is the MAPPA level 2 in play (https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/multi-agency-public-protection-arrangements-mappa-guidance) because it was am eighteen month sentence but we should find out.
I have to admit, I never realised how much is involved in terms of restrictions and also from all sorts of different parts of government. I can also see why a lot of these people relapse as well because I for one would not want to live in a HMO and subsist on £70 a week and have 3 days a week of therapy. (Again, not defending what he was doing, just saying i'd hate it personally)
At least we should find out why and if possible/practicable remediate whatever the issue is.
Thanks for the posts. As mentioned, the person in question was "general" internet downloads. Hopefully, after a bit of digging and ringing it appears that the person in question will be told the reasons (and if given permission, we will be told) so who knows. We suspect it is the MAPPA level 2 in play (https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/multi-agency-public-protection-arrangements-mappa-guidance) because it was am eighteen month sentence but we should find out.
I have to admit, I never realised how much is involved in terms of restrictions and also from all sorts of different parts of government. I can also see why a lot of these people relapse as well because I for one would not want to live in a HMO and subsist on £70 a week and have 3 days a week of therapy. (Again, not defending what he was doing, just saying i'd hate it personally)
At least we should find out why and if possible/practicable remediate whatever the issue is.
elanfan said:
There appears not to be any physical victim it was a downloaded porn offence.
Pretty sure there was a physical victim present in this porn that was downloaded, unless OPs friend is into horses and s
t there was most likely a minor involved.I wouldn't want a sex offender near me if I was a victim of such a horrible crime.
Dark Star said:
The MAPPA team are going to have to cover all bases cause if it goes wrong there could be a public outcry.
The MAPPA team isn't interested in public outcries they are there to protect the public. Edited by Dark Star on Thursday 10th November 06:48
I'd be concerned that he's a MAPPA 2 for an images conviction and the OP thinks it's ok to put up a convicted sex offender with a sexual attraction to children whilst living in proximity to a school.
TheTrash said:
The MAPPA team isn't interested in public outcries they are there to protect the public.
I'd be concerned that he's a MAPPA 2 for an images conviction and the OP thinks it's ok to put up a convicted sex offender with a sexual attraction to children whilst living in proximity to a school.
Don't want to start an argument but as I mentioned in the initial post, we flagged up the school thing in the very first meeting the Police themselves. In our presence, said they are aware of the school and they don't have an issue. As I understand it (And hey, I am on a learning curve here) his risk profile doesn't indicate that as a risk.I'd be concerned that he's a MAPPA 2 for an images conviction and the OP thinks it's ok to put up a convicted sex offender with a sexual attraction to children whilst living in proximity to a school.
As I have said, we are just trying to help this guy. We are not blind as to what he has done and we do not condone it.
The thing is, he may have downloaded images that got him convicted, but the authorities won't stop at that. They will want to be certain that he isn't going to escalate to public displays/preying on children in the proximity, etc.
In short, someone somewhere will have made the decision that child porn and proximity to school/park/possible victim locally is not acceptable and too high a risk.
OP, I admire your wish to do right by this man, but it definitely isn't something I'd do for even close family. What if I may ask, is your motivation?
In short, someone somewhere will have made the decision that child porn and proximity to school/park/possible victim locally is not acceptable and too high a risk.
OP, I admire your wish to do right by this man, but it definitely isn't something I'd do for even close family. What if I may ask, is your motivation?
TheTrash said:
Dark Star said:
The MAPPA team are going to have to cover all bases cause if it goes wrong there could be a public outcry.
The MAPPA team isn't interested in public outcries they are there to protect the public. Edited by Dark Star on Thursday 10th November 06:48
I'd be concerned that he's a MAPPA 2 for an images conviction and the OP thinks it's ok to put up a convicted sex offender with a sexual attraction to children whilst living in proximity to a school.
Your right about Level 2 for images which would have me guessing they were of the highest level of abuse and probably contained violence and or babies. It was certainly not just the normal paedophile download sicko stuff.
Edited by Dark Star on Thursday 10th November 19:22
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