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After a bit of Aston owners’ knowledge
I am currently in a 992 and have another on order which is currently a 18 month wait.
I have always pined after a Vantage and test driving at the weekend. Been told the wait is about 7 months. I know my heart and man maths is going to pull me towards the Aston.
However, I also need to make a sensible decision. A friend bought one (previous model) and ended up rejecting it and went back to the German marks. Has the build quality improved of late?
Anything I need to be aware of I see there are a few reports of an updated model next year with new tech etc?
What is depreciation really like from new? I’ve been surprisingly surprised by the 992 keeping its value well although I know this is not usual. The 992 has been pretty bullet proof and is driven daily, but does have the odd rattle…
So really looking for any experiences of those who have moved either way.
TIA
I am currently in a 992 and have another on order which is currently a 18 month wait.
I have always pined after a Vantage and test driving at the weekend. Been told the wait is about 7 months. I know my heart and man maths is going to pull me towards the Aston.
However, I also need to make a sensible decision. A friend bought one (previous model) and ended up rejecting it and went back to the German marks. Has the build quality improved of late?
Anything I need to be aware of I see there are a few reports of an updated model next year with new tech etc?
What is depreciation really like from new? I’ve been surprisingly surprised by the 992 keeping its value well although I know this is not usual. The 992 has been pretty bullet proof and is driven daily, but does have the odd rattle…
So really looking for any experiences of those who have moved either way.
TIA
I’ve been lucky (?) enough to have 7 Porsches over my 70 years. I’ve had one from every decade since 1972. None were trouble free.
There were turbos,cabriolet,wide bodies,Targas,coupes……..
The 911’s have grown bigger,heavier and less interesting over the years. They have also become more and more ubiquitous here in this states. Sadly,they are not really special here anymore. The price structure is geared to bankrupt a person that specs his cars with any options.
The dealership network is hit and miss from a warranty and servicing standpoint.
From my perspective,my new Vantage ticks all the boxes that you would expect in an exclusive product. There are some traditionalists
here that knock the hunter grill,the center array of buttons,the shape and on and on. That is their right. For me,it’s the best looking,best
built and most exciting vehicle out there. No dealer complaints from me. Depreciation here is a little off from the Porsche benchmark
but since it’s a keeper for me I could care less. It’s exciting to drive and sounds way better then a Porsche.
Get one and you will never be sorry.
There were turbos,cabriolet,wide bodies,Targas,coupes……..
The 911’s have grown bigger,heavier and less interesting over the years. They have also become more and more ubiquitous here in this states. Sadly,they are not really special here anymore. The price structure is geared to bankrupt a person that specs his cars with any options.
The dealership network is hit and miss from a warranty and servicing standpoint.
From my perspective,my new Vantage ticks all the boxes that you would expect in an exclusive product. There are some traditionalists
here that knock the hunter grill,the center array of buttons,the shape and on and on. That is their right. For me,it’s the best looking,best
built and most exciting vehicle out there. No dealer complaints from me. Depreciation here is a little off from the Porsche benchmark
but since it’s a keeper for me I could care less. It’s exciting to drive and sounds way better then a Porsche.
Get one and you will never be sorry.
mattybrown said:
After a bit of Aston owners’ knowledge
... Been told the wait is about 7 months. I know my heart and man maths is going to pull me towards the Aston. ...
... Been told the wait is about 7 months. I know my heart and man maths is going to pull me towards the Aston. ...
At a time when Aston Martin need to sell every car they can, 7 months seems a stretch.
I would be making a delivery time enquiries, perhaps to Aston Martin Works in Newport Pagnell (a subsidiary of Aston Martin Lagonda) and maybe Aston Martin Nottingham, (a dealer that has been complimented here a few times recently).
Depreciation - check the 2 or 3 year old dealer prices and subtract about £10,000 to get an idea of buy-in prices.
New model - Yes, Lawrence Stroll (LS) has spoken openly about a new generation of Sports (Vantage) and GT cars (DB11 and DBS). The sceptics here think they will be mid-term refreshes rather than new models, because new model development costs are now so huge. Aston Martin has always had a 'tricky' cash flow, so development money could be called a bit tight. The time scale seems to be stretching, but might be next year. Engines and more up to date infotainment have been mentioned by LS.
I had 4 911's over a few years ( all 997 gen 1 and 2 models ) including a GT3 and then moved into Aston ownership.
Personally not a real fan of the 992 and then I fell out with the DP for various reasons.
From new I have owned ( all Gaydon built ) an SP10 ( V8S ) , a V12S , a GT8 ( still have ) and a new shape Vantage.
All have had niggles and a number of trips on lowloaders but not a huge issue on any other than the new Vantage -I had posted previously on this - but even this didn't really put me off ie the advantages outweighed the disadvantages.
My Porsche's weren't hassle free - although all made it back to an OPC under their own power.
As you might imagine German build quality on the whole appears better BUT its more than that - the whole Aston ownership experience has been so much more " rewarding ".
Depreciation is a tricky one given current Financial climate so not sure any car will necessarily track what has happened previously although that depends on how long you intend to keep.
Buying new Astons perhaps with a few exceptions probably needs to be heart rather than head decision.
Happy to recommend Works to talk with though as per Jon's post 7 months doesn't seem very long especially as previously all factory orders were 6 months anyway.
Personally not a real fan of the 992 and then I fell out with the DP for various reasons.
From new I have owned ( all Gaydon built ) an SP10 ( V8S ) , a V12S , a GT8 ( still have ) and a new shape Vantage.
All have had niggles and a number of trips on lowloaders but not a huge issue on any other than the new Vantage -I had posted previously on this - but even this didn't really put me off ie the advantages outweighed the disadvantages.
My Porsche's weren't hassle free - although all made it back to an OPC under their own power.
As you might imagine German build quality on the whole appears better BUT its more than that - the whole Aston ownership experience has been so much more " rewarding ".
Depreciation is a tricky one given current Financial climate so not sure any car will necessarily track what has happened previously although that depends on how long you intend to keep.
Buying new Astons perhaps with a few exceptions probably needs to be heart rather than head decision.
Happy to recommend Works to talk with though as per Jon's post 7 months doesn't seem very long especially as previously all factory orders were 6 months anyway.
Jon39 said:
At a time when Aston Martin need to sell every car they can, 7 months seems a stretch.
I would be making a delivery time enquiries, perhaps to Aston Martin Works in Newport Pagnell (a subsidiary of Aston Martin Lagonda) and maybe Aston Martin Nottingham, (a dealer that has been complimented here a few times recently).
Depreciation - check the 2 or 3 year old dealer prices and subtract about £10,000 to get an idea of buy-in prices.
New model - Yes, Lawrence Stroll (LS) has spoken openly about a new generation of Sports (Vantage) and GT cars (DB11 and DBS). The sceptics here think they will be mid-term refreshes rather than new models, because new model development costs are now so huge. Aston Martin has always had a 'tricky' cash flow, so development money could be called a bit tight. The time scale seems to be stretching, but might be next year. Engines and more up to date infotainment have been mentioned by LS.
The seven months is OK with me my 992 will be three years old then but good to know its probably an over estimate.
alscar said:
..... 7 months doesn't seem very long especially as previously all factory orders were 6 months anyway.
I have not bought new alscar so don't have direct knowledge, but thought in the Dr Bez era, when there were two production lines, customers could specify their car and it would by delivered to them in 3 months time.
Was that correct?
LS spoke about a couple of hundred DBX cars delayed on a ship to China, then 400 completed DBXs being stored, because some parts are missing, but Ferrari don't seem to talk about component delays.
Edited by Jon39 on Thursday 10th November 18:07
Jon , my first purchase was coincidentally in 2013 but by then I think DB was on his way out and when I first visited the factory as I recall there was only 1 production line per se.
From memory my first was actually only around 5 months from order with the V12 ,6 months I think.
The GT8 was or would have been 8 months but I had Works do some additional work so ended up being month or so after that.
Can’t comment on why Ferrari don’t have part issues but equally cannot believe they are totally immune either.
Apparently quite a few Porsche dealers are holding onto various cars for delivery but cannot release them until various spare parts arrive !
From memory my first was actually only around 5 months from order with the V12 ,6 months I think.
The GT8 was or would have been 8 months but I had Works do some additional work so ended up being month or so after that.
Can’t comment on why Ferrari don’t have part issues but equally cannot believe they are totally immune either.
Apparently quite a few Porsche dealers are holding onto various cars for delivery but cannot release them until various spare parts arrive !
My DBX 707 was ordered on the 3rd April and arrived on the 5th Nov. Original lead time was 6 months but delays in leather, apparently, caused the extra month wait.
Compared to what you are seeing from Porsche and Landrover, the wait is reasonable. You can actually filter by leadtime on the new car configurator on Landrovers site now. Sign of the times.
Whilst owning neither a new Vantage(placed a F1 order but then cancelled, waiting for facelift)or 992 I would imagine the negatives would be interior & tech, depreciation, lack of rear seats and potentially reliability. Plus sides of course; noise, looks, exclusivity, hand built, V8 etc etc. I have always found the Aston dealer experience to be fantastic.
Compared to what you are seeing from Porsche and Landrover, the wait is reasonable. You can actually filter by leadtime on the new car configurator on Landrovers site now. Sign of the times.
Whilst owning neither a new Vantage(placed a F1 order but then cancelled, waiting for facelift)or 992 I would imagine the negatives would be interior & tech, depreciation, lack of rear seats and potentially reliability. Plus sides of course; noise, looks, exclusivity, hand built, V8 etc etc. I have always found the Aston dealer experience to be fantastic.
Edited by nathwraith1 on Thursday 10th November 19:09
My cars previous to the Vantage were a 911 Turbo (very fast, very boring, well-made but not without issues) and a Maserati Granturismo Sport (not that fast, glorious noise, real sense of occasion every time you drive it, lots and lots of issues, some cheap to fix (broken springs) some stupid expensive (ABS sensor)). The Aston seems to combine the best of the two, whilst having reliability somewhere in the middle. Since it’s still in warranty and on a service plan, my only costs on the issues have been mild irritation and time.
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