Bang to rights?
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I've paid the fine but wonder if anyone would have tried not to.
Parked in a beach carpark in cornwall nr Godrevy Head, it proceeded to p it down for 20-30 minutes so didnt get out until it stopped then bought 3 hours on the parking machine and off we went for a walk, got back and left bang on time on the ticket, but then got a fine in the post with camera images (hadnt noticed camera pole these on the way in or out as it was quite rural didnt even think of it) as we overtstayed - the period we were in the car park and waited for it to stop raining.
I paid it as i was bang to rights, but i suppose this is something in the days of 'carpark men' checking that didnt happen, and the advent of tech means its something to watch out for.
Lesson learned, but would anyone have sort mitigation? not sure on what grounds...not wanting to get wet is shaky at best!
Parked in a beach carpark in cornwall nr Godrevy Head, it proceeded to p it down for 20-30 minutes so didnt get out until it stopped then bought 3 hours on the parking machine and off we went for a walk, got back and left bang on time on the ticket, but then got a fine in the post with camera images (hadnt noticed camera pole these on the way in or out as it was quite rural didnt even think of it) as we overtstayed - the period we were in the car park and waited for it to stop raining.
I paid it as i was bang to rights, but i suppose this is something in the days of 'carpark men' checking that didnt happen, and the advent of tech means its something to watch out for.
Lesson learned, but would anyone have sort mitigation? not sure on what grounds...not wanting to get wet is shaky at best!
I could see the argument if you'd have left 20-30 minutes before the end of the parking ticket to compensate for the time you'd stayed there prior to paying. If you paid for 3 hours and had 3 hours and 30 mins then I think you're bang to rights unfortunately. Good on you for paying instead of creating a big fuss on here first.
RazerSauber said:
I could see the argument if you'd have left 20-30 minutes before the end of the parking ticket to compensate for the time you'd stayed there prior to paying. If you paid for 3 hours and had 3 hours and 30 mins then I think you're bang to rights unfortunately. Good on you for paying instead of creating a big fuss on here first.
Hadn't actually thought of i like that, my flu addled brain just now thought had we left 30 mins early before the ticket time expired we wouldnt have got a PCN, as we would have paid for a correct period of time albeit not in the exact time frame on the ticket...but assume i still would...interesting question, can you retroactively pay for parking...or are you fooked the moment you get in the car park? how long grace is there to faff around. i often sort the shoes, dog bags out for the walk before i go buy a ticket and do that last just before setting off...that now seems a dangerous ploy.deckster said:
QJumper said:
I think it's an easy mistake to make as people are used to thinking that parking starts from when you get out of a car
I cannot conceive of a single reason why anybody would think that. It doesn't stand up to a nanosecond of scrutiny.Lovely part of the world though!
MitchT said:
Easy to think the expiry time on the ticket is the time you have to leave and overlook the time you spent waiting to get a ticket.
Lovely part of the world though!
This is my thinking yes, and adds another issue, parking at Porthmeor car park in St Ives, is often a complete pain, you wait in the car park for a space, often for 10+ mins or more if you have patience, often futile...but if it has entry/exit cameras ( i can't remember will have a look next time I'm there), when would these kick in, when entering and waiitng for a space? How the does the whole retroactive paying logic work in such circumstances. What if you wait for 20 mins then give up? Last time i wa there i had to download the parking app and find some wifi to pay, as other methods were not working and my phon signal was crap...i edned up going to the Tate Foyer to cadge there wifi to pay on the app (PM beach cafes wasnt working for me), this took a good 15-20 mins after parking and exiting vehicle.Lovely part of the world though!
I'm pretty sure I've read on Cornwall Live about one of the car parks in St Ives that sends you a penalty if you leave without parking but have been there a while trying to get a space.
NB. I live in Yorkshire but take a great deal of interest in St Ives and the surrounding areas after I started visiting on family holidays in the late 1980s. We all became good friends with the people who own the house we stayed in.
NB. I live in Yorkshire but take a great deal of interest in St Ives and the surrounding areas after I started visiting on family holidays in the late 1980s. We all became good friends with the people who own the house we stayed in.
MitchT said:
I'm pretty sure I've read on Cornwall Live about one of the car parks in St Ives that sends you a penalty if you leave without parking but have been there a while trying to get a space.
NB. I live in Yorkshire but take a great deal of interest in St Ives and the surrounding areas after I started visiting on family holidays in the late 1980s. We all became good friends with the people who own the house we stayed in.
Usually walk/cycle or get the bus in so not a factor but will ask around. Had the old dear in the car and she recovering from surgery hence one of the few times bother to drive in, that or if going bodyboarding at Portmeor when not being bothered to go to porthkidney or towans. will be good to find outNB. I live in Yorkshire but take a great deal of interest in St Ives and the surrounding areas after I started visiting on family holidays in the late 1980s. We all became good friends with the people who own the house we stayed in.
MitchT said:
I'm pretty sure I've read on Cornwall Live about one of the car parks in St Ives that sends you a penalty if you leave without parking but have been there a while trying to get a space.
This was clamped down a few years ago, there is now a grace period to find a place, read T&Cs and decide not "sign up to the contract" 5 minutes is a time that comes to mind. However, if you're going round in circles waiting for a place and none become available in that grace period then you decide to leave, tough; a speculative parking charge is on its way.We recently got a similar ticket. parked somewhere in North Cornwall but didn't have change. Went to shop bought something, used change to buy ticket, left car park before time ran out (with good margin), got ticket.
Reason for ticket? Small print in t&c say that ticket has to be bought within 10mins. F
off. I hate those kind of rules. I believe they serve no purpose at all.
You shouldn't get a ticket when youve intent to pay but no means to. I think it should be a legal requirement for all car parks to have at least two working payment methods and payment should always be on leaving, never up front. Cornwall is one of the worst for cash only - I haven't touched cash since the lock down. But recently they have been installing cctv. Sorry but if you can install cameras you can add a card reader/app.
Reason for ticket? Small print in t&c say that ticket has to be bought within 10mins. F
off. I hate those kind of rules. I believe they serve no purpose at all.You shouldn't get a ticket when youve intent to pay but no means to. I think it should be a legal requirement for all car parks to have at least two working payment methods and payment should always be on leaving, never up front. Cornwall is one of the worst for cash only - I haven't touched cash since the lock down. But recently they have been installing cctv. Sorry but if you can install cameras you can add a card reader/app.
deckster said:
QJumper said:
I think it's an easy mistake to make as people are used to thinking that parking starts from when you get out of a car
I cannot conceive of a single reason why anybody would think that. It doesn't stand up to a nanosecond of scrutiny.Reading this has reminded my that I love living somewhere civilised - Newark on Trent.
I have lived 3 miles outside the town for 10 years now and have never once paid for parking anywhere.
There are car parks where you have to pay, but there is enough free on street car parking and free supermarket car parking that paying to park is not necessary. All supermarkets have a 2 hour limit on them, but encourage you to park there and wander off to shop elsewhere (as well as in their store of course).
I have lived 3 miles outside the town for 10 years now and have never once paid for parking anywhere.
There are car parks where you have to pay, but there is enough free on street car parking and free supermarket car parking that paying to park is not necessary. All supermarkets have a 2 hour limit on them, but encourage you to park there and wander off to shop elsewhere (as well as in their store of course).
QBee said:
Reading this has reminded my that I love living somewhere civilised - Newark on Trent.
I have lived 3 miles outside the town for 10 years now and have never once paid for parking anywhere.
There are car parks where you have to pay, but there is enough free on street car parking and free supermarket car parking that paying to park is not necessary. All supermarkets have a 2 hour limit on them, but encourage you to park there and wander off to shop elsewhere (as well as in their store of course).
How do they do that, and WHY would they do that? It seems odd that they encourage you to park there but for some reason also have a 2 hour limit.I have lived 3 miles outside the town for 10 years now and have never once paid for parking anywhere.
There are car parks where you have to pay, but there is enough free on street car parking and free supermarket car parking that paying to park is not necessary. All supermarkets have a 2 hour limit on them, but encourage you to park there and wander off to shop elsewhere (as well as in their store of course).
Countdown said:
QBee said:
Reading this has reminded my that I love living somewhere civilised - Newark on Trent.
I have lived 3 miles outside the town for 10 years now and have never once paid for parking anywhere.
There are car parks where you have to pay, but there is enough free on street car parking and free supermarket car parking that paying to park is not necessary. All supermarkets have a 2 hour limit on them, but encourage you to park there and wander off to shop elsewhere (as well as in their store of course).
How do they do that, and WHY would they do that? It seems odd that they encourage you to park there but for some reason also have a 2 hour limit.I have lived 3 miles outside the town for 10 years now and have never once paid for parking anywhere.
There are car parks where you have to pay, but there is enough free on street car parking and free supermarket car parking that paying to park is not necessary. All supermarkets have a 2 hour limit on them, but encourage you to park there and wander off to shop elsewhere (as well as in their store of course).
The shops all make it perfectly clear that you can park there for two hours, but that they have entry/exit cameras recording number plates.
When they made it free with no time limit at the start of COVID, Asda's carpark was permanently rammed from 9 to 5 weekdays.
OutInTheShed said:
Quite a lot of people will go to a seaside car park and never leave the car.
That's a good point. The first Marazion carpark from Longrock way and Sennen cove for storm watching never have paid (when simply storm watching from car)...cameras will soon end that I guess!sherbertdip said:
This was clamped down a few years ago, there is now a grace period to find a place, read T&Cs and decide not "sign up to the contract" 5 minutes is a time that comes to mind. However, if you're going round in circles waiting for a place and none become available in that grace period then you decide to leave, tough; a speculative parking charge is on its way.
Which one is it?QBee said:
Reading this has reminded my that I love living somewhere civilised - Newark on Trent.
I have lived 3 miles outside the town for 10 years now and have never once paid for parking anywhere.
There are car parks where you have to pay, but there is enough free on street car parking and free supermarket car parking that paying to park is not necessary. All supermarkets have a 2 hour limit on them, but encourage you to park there and wander off to shop elsewhere (as well as in their store of course).
I do this in Truro tesco which i think is 3 or 2.5. If going over simply walk the 5 min walk from the town centre and move it to aldi across the road for another 2 hours...cheap bstard that I am!I have lived 3 miles outside the town for 10 years now and have never once paid for parking anywhere.
There are car parks where you have to pay, but there is enough free on street car parking and free supermarket car parking that paying to park is not necessary. All supermarkets have a 2 hour limit on them, but encourage you to park there and wander off to shop elsewhere (as well as in their store of course).
Actually I was told tesco ca.eras don't actually work anymore and it's unlimited now but not advertised by someone who works there. The ticket system has been offline for a while which was the means to proce you had shopped in store itself. Currently you don't even need to.
MitchT said:
I'm pretty sure I've read on Cornwall Live about one of the car parks in St Ives that sends you a penalty if you leave without parking but have been there a while trying to get a space.
NB. I live in Yorkshire but take a great deal of interest in St Ives and the surrounding areas after I started visiting on family holidays in the late 1980s. We all became good friends with the people who own the house we stayed in.
In Yorkshire, Burnsall car park does the same...NB. I live in Yorkshire but take a great deal of interest in St Ives and the surrounding areas after I started visiting on family holidays in the late 1980s. We all became good friends with the people who own the house we stayed in.
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