RE: Porsche Cayman R (987) | Spotted
RE: Porsche Cayman R (987) | Spotted
Sunday 27th November 2022

Porsche Cayman R (987) | Spotted

Not as focused or as extravagantly good as a GT4, perhaps, but the R is holding its money like one...


Over the years, we’ve become used to expensive, limited-run cars retaining their value, or maybe even appreciating in the right circumstances. Only now we live in a situation where even the ostensibly more affordable stuff barely depreciates. The Toyota GR Yaris and the most recent Ford Focus RS spring to mind as recent examples of relatively humble performance cars becoming decent investments. Funny old world.

It has been happening for a little while, though, where cars that once cost £40k or so are still worth that amount years and years down the line. It’s been helped by the recent state of the market, undoubtedly picking values up from where they were in early 2020, but remains a remarkable show of residual strength. Great for original owners when they come to sell, perhaps less so for buyers later down the line. Unless they get their money back, too…

Both Porsche Cayman R and BMW 1M Coupe were launched at a similar time, at a similar price, for similar people. They were both brilliant to drive, both made in limited numbers and both, in the context of the time and nowadays, didn’t cost an awful lot. The Porsche started at £51,728, the BMW £40,020. Never has 2011 seemed so long ago! Thanks to their iconic status amongst fans, both still command a chunk of that original RRP (or more) all this time later. The longer it continues the safer they look, too; it would be fair to say that the upcoming M2 hasn’t met with universal acceptance, despite building on the concept first introduced by the 1M. And Porsche’s looming electrification of its mid-engined sports cars must be making people yearn wistfully for the very best examples of what’s come before.

The 987 R was undoubtedly one of the best. Porsche folk get very precious about the ‘R’ badge - remember how the 911 was received - and, although the Cayman wasn’t an 800kg racer, it did receive some meaningful changes over the Cayman S. At its most focused (i.e. with the air-con and radio kept out, as was the standard spec), the Cayman R was 54kg lighter than an S, which is a useful saving. And even for the 99 per cent that would have had those options put back in, the lighter wheels, bucket seats and aluminium doors would have made a difference. Firmer springs and dampers, a lower ride height and standard LSD meaningfully sharpened up the driving experience; another 10hp hardly made it into a GT4 before there was one, but is better than 10hp less.

General R consensus was that the R was only a little better than the S - ‘merely outstanding rather than unbelievable’ read one review - but the market has really favoured the sort of stripped-out special. Where the very best 987 Cayman S isn’t more than £30k, you won’t get in an R for less than £40,000. Low mileage cars with the PDK and ceramic brake options can be over £50,000, which must still be more than new - incredible for a decade down the line.

This one would do us just fine, though. A 2012 car with the six-speed manual, sports exhaust and air con, it looks like a fine example. Black is perhaps a bit muted for an R, especially given the Cayman’s undeniable link with Peridot Green, but the red calipers and Porsche decals do jazz it up a bit. The sensible money, as it was in 2012, would go on an S with your choice of options, but it would be hard to think too rationally when presented with a Cayman that still looks this good. You can’t lose, really, especially if the next 10 years are as kind to the R as the previous decade has been...


SPECIFICATION | PORSCHE CAYMAN R

Engine: 3,436cc, flat-six
Transmission: Six-speed manual, rear-wheel drive, LSD
Power (hp): 330@7,400rpm
Torque (lb ft): 273@4,750rpm
MPG: 29
CO2: 228
First registered: 2012
Recorded mileage: 31,452
Price then: £51,728
Price now: £39,995

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Bencolem

Original Poster:

1,187 posts

269 months

Sunday 27th November 2022
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As the article says, a good example of how expensive the market is r these days. Surely it can’t last.

bencollins4

1,240 posts

236 months

Sunday 27th November 2022
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Buckets and a manual an absolute must for me on these. The manual is certainly the favoured car value-wise. These cars can just about be had for late 30’s with a few miles.

I have been looking at these for many years and personally picked the 1M as my ‘free’ car for a couple of years, more due to it’s rear seats making it more usable for me. I would still love to have an R one day though.

DamnKraut

490 posts

129 months

Sunday 27th November 2022
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Bencolem said:
As the article says, a good example of how expensive the market is r these days. Surely it can’t last.
Expensive laugh

In Germany this would be a 65k car if you ever got offered one in the first place. You have no idea how blessed you are in the UK when it comes to used car prices.

mooseracer

2,805 posts

200 months

Sunday 27th November 2022
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Cayman Sport is a good halfway house between the S and R.

Slowlygettingit

946 posts

71 months

Sunday 27th November 2022
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I keep looking at this one for the same money. Another 15k miles but has the buckets.

https://911virgin.com/listings/cayman-r-manual-201...

Edmundo2

1,443 posts

240 months

Sunday 27th November 2022
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I'm contemplating one too but prob needs to be a mid miler to fall into my budget ..

I'm slightly concerned that in the short term they could soften a bit in price but long term they look pretty solid..

Re the seats they look lovely but it seems some struggle with them..Not sure if it's the same seat as per the 981 gts carbon bucket but if so I didn't particularly like them and certainly not as comfortable as something like a Recaro Pole Position IMPE..

On this basis I think I need to try both before assuming the buckets are a must have spec...

Niffty951

2,399 posts

258 months

Sunday 27th November 2022
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I can find lots of reviews VS 981 GTS but not a single person comparing to the GT4.

Is it really just not worth the GT4's time? I mean, this was the hottest of the 987 Caymans, it's 100kg lighter and the steering feel would wipe the floor with the later car.

I'm interested as to why instinctually people pit it against the GTS instead. Maybe that's more how it feels? I've only ever been in a 987 S and a 981 GT4 so those are my limited reference points but I found the GT4 more 'road car' than I expected, it did too good a job of hiding the speed for me.

Jonstar

1,044 posts

221 months

Sunday 27th November 2022
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These seem a bit half hearted to me, aren't they only 30kg or so lighter than the Cayman S once you add back in Aircon and stereo.

If you are only interested in the driving experience sounds to me like you may aswell buy an S optioned with "buckets" and LSD the add some ohlins for good measure. If you want to do lightweight properly get a lotus, caterham or alpine.

swanny71

3,588 posts

239 months

Sunday 27th November 2022
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bencollins4 said:
I have been looking at these for many years and personally picked the 1M as my ‘free’ car for a couple of years, more due to it’s rear seats making it more usable for me. I would still love to have an R one day though.
I replaced a 1M with a Cayman R, both brilliant but in different ways.

1M is, to my eyes, one of the best looking cars of this century, slightly thuggish to look at and to drive - I felt you had to take it by the scruff of the neck to enjoy it. Very practical for what it is so I used it more regularly than the Cayman but maybe it lost a little of its specialness because of that.

The Cayman seems to respond to a more delicate/thoughtful approach. It looks good from some angles, awkward from others but sounds superb. Gear change and steering are nicer. No regrets changing 1M to R.

Any theoretical lottery win garage of mine would have another 1M in it for sure. But I miss owning it more than I miss driving it.


Edmundo2

1,443 posts

240 months

Sunday 27th November 2022
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Jonstar said:
These seem a bit half hearted to me, aren't they only 30kg or so lighter than the Cayman S once you add back in Aircon and stereo.

If you are only interested in the driving experience sounds to me like you may aswell buy an S optioned with "buckets" and LSD the add some ohlins for good measure. If you want to do lightweight properly get a lotus, caterham or alpine.
It's a good point re the the modded S route and one that's been discussed many times..

In fact I owned a modded S before moving to a Caterham and it was fabulous. KWv3, LWFW, Wavetrac diff, tubular exhaust, Cobra Nogaros, etc..

Indeed I think it must be very close to an R experience but the prospect of an +30bhp/-40kg together with the look and rarity appeals..I could buy my old S back and I am tempted but if you've got the budget for an R then why not as the running costs are the same and there's not really any significant depreciation to worry about so it seems to make sense vs the S with the balance in the bank?





Maccmike8

1,612 posts

84 months

Sunday 27th November 2022
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Very nice. The intake needs colour coding though, too much silver otherwise. That or remove the Porsche stickers.

Jonstar

1,044 posts

221 months

Sunday 27th November 2022
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Edmundo2 said:
Jonstar said:
These seem a bit half hearted to me, aren't they only 30kg or so lighter than the Cayman S once you add back in Aircon and stereo.

If you are only interested in the driving experience sounds to me like you may aswell buy an S optioned with "buckets" and LSD the add some ohlins for good measure. If you want to do lightweight properly get a lotus, caterham or alpine.
It's a good point re the the modded S route and one that's been discussed many times..

In fact I owned a modded S before moving to a Caterham and it was fabulous. KWv3, LWFW, Wavetrac diff, tubular exhaust, Cobra Nogaros, etc..

Indeed I think it must be very close to an R experience but the prospect of an +30bhp/-40kg together with the look and rarity appeals..I could buy my old S back and I am tempted but if you've got the budget for an R then why not as the running costs are the same and there's not really any significant depreciation to worry about so it seems to make sense vs the S with the balance in the bank?
This does make sense as they don't seem to depreciate, you just have to really want a 987 Cayman for it to be worth it though as £40k brings you into the next league of cars exiges, r8's etc. To me they aren't special enough at this price point.

swanny71

3,588 posts

239 months

Sunday 27th November 2022
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Edmundo2 said:
Jonstar said:
These seem a bit half hearted to me, aren't they only 30kg or so lighter than the Cayman S once you add back in Aircon and stereo.

If you are only interested in the driving experience sounds to me like you may aswell buy an S optioned with "buckets" and LSD the add some ohlins for good measure. If you want to do lightweight properly get a lotus, caterham or alpine.
It's a good point re the the modded S route and one that's been discussed many times..

In fact I owned a modded S before moving to a Caterham and it was fabulous. KWv3, LWFW, Wavetrac diff, tubular exhaust, Cobra Nogaros, etc..

Indeed I think it must be very close to an R experience but the prospect of an +30bhp/-40kg together with the look and rarity appeals..I could buy my old S back and I am tempted but if you've got the budget for an R then why not as the running costs are the same and there's not really any significant depreciation to worry about so it seems to make sense vs the S with the balance in the bank?
‘More than the sum of its parts’ is an old cliché but I think it applies to the R.

Might seem a bit half hearted compared to current silly edition road cars but back then I believe Porsche was pushing the boundaries of what would actually sell to the public (eg. E46 CSL).

2011 was before special/limited run cars became an asset to flip or essential for Instagram likes, they sold to people who actually wanted the car, not the fringe benefits. I’ve seen pictures of original Cayman R sales receipts showing heafty discounts - that is unimaginable for any recent or current Porsche R/GT/GTS product.

Manufacturers can go balls out stupid now because they know cars will sell regardless of how compromised they might be as actual road transport.

Edmundo2

1,443 posts

240 months

Sunday 27th November 2022
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I agree but the trouble is everything starts to get physically big...I appreciate the R isn't quite as powerful as I'd like and would be great with more grunt but I love it's size and dimensions which I think suit a British b road so well and means you can really push on..

swanny71

3,588 posts

239 months

Sunday 27th November 2022
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Jonstar said:
This does make sense as they don't seem to depreciate, you just have to really want a 987 Cayman for it to be worth it though as £40k brings you into the next league of cars exiges, r8's etc. To me they aren't special enough at this price point.
I had an Exige, definately next league performance wise and a brillant toy but crap at being a car.

Jon_S_Rally

4,470 posts

118 months

Sunday 27th November 2022
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DamnKraut said:
Expensive laugh

In Germany this would be a 65k car if you ever got offered one in the first place. You have no idea how blessed you are in the UK when it comes to used car prices.
Indeed. Having emigrated to the Middle East last year, I am longing for the UK used market. Everything here is wrecked, expensive, or an automatic Corolla/Camry/Civic. Prices have certainly risen in the UK, but it's still a way better place to buy a used car than a lot of countries!

Draxindustries1

1,657 posts

53 months

Sunday 27th November 2022
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Beautiful thing and will only appreciate in value. I had the chance to buy an R three years ago but was an additional £18k with 52k miles.
My 987 S with only 24k miles and never seen a wet road is a keeper.

BrotherMouzone

3,169 posts

204 months

Sunday 27th November 2022
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Jon_S_Rally said:
DamnKraut said:
Expensive laugh

In Germany this would be a 65k car if you ever got offered one in the first place. You have no idea how blessed you are in the UK when it comes to used car prices.
Indeed. Having emigrated to the Middle East last year, I am longing for the UK used market. Everything here is wrecked, expensive, or an automatic Corolla/Camry/Civic. Prices have certainly risen in the UK, but it's still a way better place to buy a used car than a lot of countries!
Swings and roundabouts though, you guys have lower tax and possibly higher wages?

5pen

2,199 posts

236 months

Sunday 27th November 2022
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swanny71 said:
‘More than the sum of its parts’ is an old cliché but I think it applies to the R.

Might seem a bit half hearted compared to current silly edition road cars but back then I believe Porsche was pushing the boundaries of what would actually sell to the public (eg. E46 CSL).

2011 was before special/limited run cars became an asset to flip or essential for Instagram likes, they sold to people who actually wanted the car, not the fringe benefits. I’ve seen pictures of original Cayman R sales receipts showing heafty discounts - that is unimaginable for any recent or current Porsche R/GT/GTS product.

Manufacturers can go balls out stupid now because they know cars will sell regardless of how compromised they might be as actual road transport.
My bold. I am only working from memory, but I'm pretty sure that when I was looking around for used Boxsters in late 2011 and early 2012, there was a new Cayman R (it may have been pre-registered I suppose) in one of the Porsche Centres I visited available immediately and it was around the £40k mark. Remarkable value looking back.

Pflanzgarten

7,636 posts

55 months

Sunday 27th November 2022
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mooseracer said:
Cayman Sport is a good halfway house between the S and R.
Only if you like engines made from chocolate.

Porsche actually gave me an R for a long term loan. Great car but it would take channeling the ghost of Ayrton Senna to notice the difference between one and a well spec’d S apart from the lovely bucket seats.

If you want the perfect example of the stupidity of the Porsche collector market the Cayman R is the one.

Also, they may not have the old 3.4 engine that liked to self destruct but they all (or at least the manuals) had the mapping flaw that meant you could stamp on the accelerator at a certain engine speed (I think it might have been 1800rpm) and absolutely nothing happened. Made for interesting roundabouts.