Sheer Brass Neck! (scooter content)

[irc]

I ha e often ventured the opinion that the electric scooters are inherently unsafe because of the small wheel design.

Perhaps any move to legalize them should specify a minimum wheel diameter. I would suggest 16'. The size a Brompton folding bike uses. Still a portable package.

That aside, apart from a few hire schemes they are illegal for road use. So it takes some brass neck to use an illegal scooter, crash on a pothole, then sue the council

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[untakenname]

Looks like the wheel size is only 8.5" which will have had a bearing on the impact with the pothole compared with other forms of transport.
https://www.mi.com/uk/mi-electric-scooter-Pro2/

Hopefully the council will win then set a precedent so the scum in that 24 hours in Police custody program who are suing the insurance company for six figures despite being on the rob on a stolen bike at the time will have their case thrown out.

[fred bloggs]

Im not sure about legality of the scooter, but don't think it makes a difference.

Had she been on a skateboard, bicycle, push scooter, moped or even walking ,she probably would still be injured by the pothole.

There should not be fecking holes in the road.

[Yellow Lizud]

fred bloggs said:

There should not be fecking holes in the road.

But there are. Everybody knows that. What's wrong with looking where you're going.

I hope she gets fined £30,000 for wasting court time.

[mgv8]

I know you think the small wheels would be a problem and I understand you thinking. Having skated around London on inline-skates with 80mm wheels its just not. Peek speed as about 23mph on the level and over 30+mph down hill (yes gps checked). On race skates even faster, so having tested if over year and a lot of miles its fine.

[OutInTheShed]

mgv8 said:

I know you think the small wheels would be a problem and I understand you thinking. Having skated around London on inline-skates with 80mm wheels its just not. Peek speed as about 23mph on the level and over 30+mph down hill (yes gps checked). On race skates even faster, so having tested if over year and a lot of miles its fine.

But I assume you were careful to avoid the kind of potholes which a 29er mountain bike would notice?

Smaller wheels, more susceptible to a given size of bump or pothole.
Unless the smaller wheel comes with far superior suspension maybe.

[irc]

Basic physics. A big wheel is better on rough surfaces. There is a reason cartwheels were about 6ft in diameter.

It is well known by riders if small wheel bikes that the wheels are affected more by poor surfaces and potholes.

[KungFuPanda]

It would be interesting to see how this goes. Driver’s that are in an uninsured vehicle can still make successful claims if they weren’t negligent.

[Griffith4ever]

mgv8 said:

I know you think the small wheels would be a problem and I understand you thinking. Having skated around London on inline-skates with 80mm wheels its just not. Peek speed as about 23mph on the level and over 30+mph down hill (yes gps checked). On race skates even faster, so having tested if over year and a lot of miles its fine.

I agree mate, I skate quads (or used to) urban, and I still skateboard urban. Wheel size isn't an issue - obv I don't go over pot holes!

The wheel size = dangerous thing has been done to death in the escooter thread.

[irc]

Griffith4ever said:

mgv8 said:

I know you think the small wheels would be a problem and I understand you thinking. Having skated around London on inline-skates with 80mm wheels its just not. Peek speed as about 23mph on the level and over 30+mph down hill (yes gps checked). On race skates even faster, so having tested if over year and a lot of miles its fine.

I agree mate, I skate quads (or used to) urban, and I still skateboard urban. Wheel size isn't an issue - obv I don't go over pot holes!

The wheel size = dangerous thing has been done to death in the escooter thread.

Strange how mountain bikers can notice big differences between 26 and 28" wheels on rough ground. Wheel size is an issue once you (as in this case) hit a pothole.

I'm not saying you can't use skates or small wheel scooters obviously you can. If you hit a 11" wide pothole on a 10" wheel you are likely to crash. On a 26" wheel you probably wouldn't.

[Foss62]

irc said:

I ha e often ventured the opinion that the electric scooters are inherently unsafe because of the small wheel design.

Perhaps any move to legalize them should specify a minimum wheel diameter. I would suggest 16'. The size a Brompton folding bike uses. Still a portable package.

That aside, apart from a few hire schemes they are illegal for road use. So it takes some brass neck to use an illegal scooter, crash on a pothole, then sue the council

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Agree - I’d love to see all scooters required to have 16 foot wheels. The new Bromptons with 16 foot wheels are also quite something. I lean mine against a tree and borrow a ladder to get aboard. Only disadvantage is that I need a team of Sherpas to take advantage of it’s portable capabilities.

[Caddyshack]

Foss62 said:

irc said:

I ha e often ventured the opinion that the electric scooters are inherently unsafe because of the small wheel design.

Perhaps any move to legalize them should specify a minimum wheel diameter. I would suggest 16'. The size a Brompton folding bike uses. Still a portable package.

That aside, apart from a few hire schemes they are illegal for road use. So it takes some brass neck to use an illegal scooter, crash on a pothole, then sue the council

https://12ft.io/proxy?ref=&q=https://www.teleg...

Agree - I’d love to see all scooters required to have 16 foot wheels. The new Bromptons with 16 foot wheels are also quite something. I lean mine against a tree and borrow a ladder to get aboard. Only disadvantage is that I need a team of Sherpas to take advantage of it’s portable capabilities.

Penny farthings we’re on to something.

[martinbiz]

untakenname said:

Hopefully the council will win then set a precedent so the scum in that 24 hours in Police custody program who are suing the insurance company for six figures despite being on the rob on a stolen bike at the time will have their case thrown out.

What drivel, how on earth do you manage to find the slightest similarity between the two cases
Do you actually have the vaguest clue what you are talking about?

[Griffith4ever]

irc said:

Griffith4ever said:

mgv8 said:

I know you think the small wheels would be a problem and I understand you thinking. Having skated around London on inline-skates with 80mm wheels its just not. Peek speed as about 23mph on the level and over 30+mph down hill (yes gps checked). On race skates even faster, so having tested if over year and a lot of miles its fine.

I agree mate, I skate quads (or used to) urban, and I still skateboard urban. Wheel size isn't an issue - obv I don't go over pot holes!

The wheel size = dangerous thing has been done to death in the escooter thread.

Strange how mountain bikers can notice big differences between 26 and 28" wheels on rough ground. Wheel size is an issue once you (as in this case) hit a pothole.

I'm not saying you can't use skates or small wheel scooters obviously you can. If you hit a 11" wide pothole on a 10" wheel you are likely to crash. On a 26" wheel you probably wouldn't.

To be fair, mountain bikers are in general, a strange bunch.

[untakenname]

Quite simple, in both cases they were injured whilst not legally being allowed to be on the road so therefore should forfeit any claims to damages.

[KungFuPanda]

untakenname said:

Quite simple, in both cases they were injured whilst not legally being allowed to be on the road so therefore should forfeit any claims to damages.

Not legally being allowed to be on the road isn’t a bar to making a successful claim if they can prove a third party was negligent.

[martinbiz]

untakenname said:

Quite simple, in both cases they were injured whilst not legally being allowed to be on the road so therefore should forfeit any claims to damages.

Like I said drivel, what you may think and what the law says are poles apart. So on that basis you think that if you drive into an uninsured car while fiddling with your phone and seriously injure the occupants, it's lack of insurance somehow removes your liability

[gazza285]

Foss62 said:

Agree - I’d love to see all scooters required to have 16 foot wheels. The new Bromptons with 16 foot wheels are also quite something. I lean mine against a tree and borrow a ladder to get aboard. Only disadvantage is that I need a team of Sherpas to take advantage of it’s portable capabilities.

Very Spinal Tap.

[Mr Miata]

Have you ever used one?

[Caddyshack]

martinbiz said:

untakenname said:

Quite simple, in both cases they were injured whilst not legally being allowed to be on the road so therefore should forfeit any claims to damages.

Like I said drivel, what you may think and what the law says are poles apart. So on that basis you think that if you drive into an uninsured car while fiddling with your phone and seriously injure the occupants, it's lack of insurance somehow removes your liability

Your example above is not really like the scenario here though and the poster is not saying what the law is, they are just agreeing with the brass neck on people breaking the law and making a claim. If a burglar breaks in to your home and falls over an item that does not meet buildings regs they should not be able to claim (in principle the spirit is wrong, regardless if the law supports them or not)